EFC-Paul Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 It's not the same as last season though Brett far from it, tactically and the way the team is set up is totally different I've said it before and I'll say it again we had the best of both worlds last season with Moyes's defensive mentality still instilled coupled with what then was Martinez's slightly more attack minded game This season is his real transitional period for me and it's showing as it did at Wigan he's sinply not as good a manager as people seem to think I'll admit I did get fed up with Moyes in the end because things did seem to go stale but all this bollocks about the best football we've played I don't buy into we played some great stuff under Moyes aswel and at the end of the day it's about points and we've simply been dire and the buck stops with Martinez I genuinely don't see if he's given next season how he can move us forward, piss poor selections and substitutions a reluctance to change the obvious players potentially wanting out etc.... Domino effect duncanmckenzieismagic, Toffee_in_LA and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 It's not the same as last season though Brett far from it, tactically and the way the team is set up is totally different I've said it before and I'll say it again we had the best of both worlds last season with Moyes's defensive mentality still instilled coupled with what then was Martinez's slightly more attack minded game This season is his real transitional period for me and it's showing as it did at Wigan he's sinply not as good a manager as people seem to think I'll admit I did get fed up with Moyes in the end because things did seem to go stale but all this bollocks about the best football we've played I don't buy into we played some great stuff under Moyes aswel and at the end of the day it's about points and we've simply been dire and the buck stops with Martinez I genuinely don't see if he's given next season how he can move us forward, piss poor selections and substitutions a reluctance to change the obvious players potentially wanting out etc.... Domino effect Nope, played with two DM last season. Doing the same thus season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Nope, played with two DM last season. Doing the same thus season. Yeah that makes everything the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Nope, played with two DM last season. Doing the same thus season. He played two DM to cover for the fullbacks when they bombed on which hasn't happened this year so why carry on playing them? We also played with 2 wingers giving us width and we were zipping the ball about rather than rolling it along the back 4 and getting up the field quickly Edited March 5, 2015 by duncanmckenzieismagic Toffee_in_LA, Lowensda and Deacs 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/everton/368/blog/post/2332894/martinez-serving-up-dross-at-everton "There is no spark. This is stale, one-paced, narrow, uncreative dross. The idea that possession equates control is a total fallacy, particularly when nothing is done with the possession. Everton simply mind the ball for a period while they wait for the opposition to beat them" Sums us up perfectly Edited March 5, 2015 by duncanmckenzieismagic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 You see Brett, the issue I have with this whole "Lets play to Lukaku's strengths" - is that I honestly don't know what they are. I'm not being funny when I say this. But his strengths are the things he isn't "BAD" at. Are his strengths actual attributes? OK, so apparently we need to play the ball ahead of him? well it would help if he got onside. He is by far the most offside player in the league, by far. He has no intelligence or mobility to checkback and go, or angle his runs. If he was in the relay he would get his team disqualified every time because he takes the batton outside the line. If he has a player to take on he often does a step over and loses the thing. Play an early cross? He doesn't jump and physically get ahead or above his marker. You have to hope the ball is guided inch perfect onto his head. I honestly don't think there is a team in the prem that he would suit - but RM paid £28m for him so is duty bound to play him. It said it all last night that Kone provided more threat, hustle and movement that Rom did all game. Rom looks like a 50 year old Larry Holmes to Kones 20 year old Anthony Joshua. Rom is suited to the Euro games where defenders are less physical and more technical. I would play Kone till the end of the season with Barkley behind. But you massively overrate the "ordinary" James McCarthy. How are the stats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 But you massively overrate the "ordinary" James McCarthy. How are the stats? To be fair, probably better than Kev's at the minute. James is at least trying. Kev couldn't give a fuck. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 To be fair, probably better than Kev's at the minute. James is at least trying. Kev couldn't give a fuck. Mirallas isn't even getting a game. I've said from the start, "what the fuck us the big obsession with James McCarthy" he's good at times but he's not even close to a big player. We had weeks of arguing over stats of how he "makes us play" all bollocks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Everyone has been shit. Mirallas, McCarthy, Howard, Lukaku, McGeady, Barry, Martinez, et al. Even Baines has just been average at best. People are picking players' sides when everyone is to blame. Chach and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romey 1878 Posted March 5, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Everyone has been shit. Mirallas, McCarthy, Howard, Lukaku, McGeady, Barry, Martinez, et al. Even Baines has just been average at best. People are picking players' sides when everyone is to blame. Thank you! It's not about how good or bad this players been, or that player, it's been a collective clusterfuck. And that, really, is our problem. If it was a case of Lukaku being shit we'd manage. If it was Mirallas being a half-arsed fairy we'd manage. If it was McCarthy not being up to his usual standards we'd manage. But the fact is you can go through every single player this season and throw some shit at them and it'd stick like fucking super glue. As a team we've been absolute shit. Sibdane, Blue 250, Matt and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Big players can drag you out of shit. At this present time nobody is standing to be counted for and the player with the most ability in the final third is not getting picked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 But you massively overrate the "ordinary" James McCarthy. How are the stats? Maybe we should clone McCarthy then you may see him not having to cover Barry's arse. Still trying to point score? I'd use stats but I'm afraid they are wasted on you. I'd go as far as saying that your boy wonder has created one of the single most divisive moments of our season 2 points lost. I look forward to him pissing off else where just in the hope that you end up on his new sides forum. Chach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2980904/Roberto-Martinez-hasn-t-worked-defence-Ross-Barclay-disappeared-Romelu-Lukaku-looks-overpriced-Eight-reasons-Everton-relegation-battle.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Big players can drag you out of shit. Big players who give a shit can drag you out of shit. There's a reason he's not being picked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2980904/Roberto-Martinez-hasn-t-worked-defence-Ross-Barclay-disappeared-Romelu-Lukaku-looks-overpriced-Eight-reasons-Everton-relegation-battle.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 Article is spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Big players who give a shit can drag you out of shit. There's a reason he's not being picked. He's also the difference in us being five points clear and eight points clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 He played two DM to cover for the fullbacks when they bombed on which hasn't happened this year so why carry on playing them? We also played with 2 wingers giving us width and we were zipping the ball about rather than rolling it along the back 4 and getting up the field quickly Exactly the system was effective and good to watch last year. Why did the style of football change? Why now play three holding players? So many why's. So few answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 He's also the difference in us being five points clear and eight points clear. Selfish little shit he is. Brought an unwanted spotlight to the team. Imagine the outcry if Naismith or kone did what mirallas did? I think he got off lightly. Since that moment he's been utter shite. Not fit??? Doesn't want to play, as you say we would have breathing space if baines had the penno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Selfish little shit he is. Brought an unwanted spotlight to the team. Imagine the outcry if Naismith or kone did what mirallas did? I think he got off lightly. Since that moment he's been utter shite. Not fit??? Doesn't want to play, as you say we would have breathing space if baines had the penno. Let's blame Mirallas for us being near the relegation zone. There is no saying what would have happened in that game had he have scored or Baines converted. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. But you sir are talking Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 He's also the difference in us being five points clear and eight points clear. What utter bollocks! If you are going down that road where would we be without his goals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/david-prentice-its-time-stubborn-8782976? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 What utter bollocks! If you are going down that road where would we be without his goals? I was only responding to a certain someone highlighting a particular player to change things AGAIN!!! How many league game can you tell me, whereby he has single handedly won us the game. I will give you one example whereby he has single handedly cost us three points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) Spot on really. Everyone see it bar the person most affected. Edit - In response to the article Mark posted. Edited March 6, 2015 by tenaciousj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) What utter bollocks! If you are going down that road where would we be without his goals? That's probably the mindset that drives his actions. His mindset is that of a player who is in it for himself. He is not the only one, the premiership has never been awash with so many egos and its pretty disgusting. His attitude has stunk for quite some time now, turns it on when he wants to. Great yeah he scores the odd goal, he also wastes opportunities by being greedy and going for the spectacular - but hey isn't that what gets him his adoration? When things don't go his way he mopes around the pitch sulking and its infuriating - some people ignore that and try and remember his glory moments. At this time more than any other we need him to fight and give 100% - he won't. I'm not happy withy Martinez - that is a seperate issue, Mirallas is a professional footballer who has a duty to the shirt. Unfortunately Martinez isn't strong enough to manage Mirallas and that is it. He has tried to discipline Mirallas and show him he is no bigger than the club, unfortuanetly Mirallas has thrown his toys out the pram. Brat. I don't care if he has scored 20 goals, that display of arrogance will long live in the memory - it was a key moment in a key game and he "DECIDED" then to challenge Baines as the penalty taker. It wasn't 3-0 up against Leicester with 42 points in the bank, it was a key moment before half time against a team that had parked the bus when we were desperate for a win. Edited March 6, 2015 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 I was only responding to a certain someone highlighting a particular player to change things AGAIN!!! How many league game can you tell me, whereby he has single handedly won us the game. I will give you one example whereby he has single handedly cost us three points. And Duncan's give you examples of when he's helped win us games - league goals. Take them away and where would we be now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 And Duncan's give you examples of when he's helped win us games - league goals. Take them away and where would we be now? Sorry, can you show me the post where he has shown examples of these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 I was only responding to a certain someone highlighting a particular player to change things AGAIN!!! How many league game can you tell me, whereby he has single handedly won us the game. I will give you one example whereby he has single handedly cost us three points. Go on then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 That's probably the mindset that drives his actions. His mindset is that of a player who is in it for himself. He is not the only one, the premiership has never been awash with so many egos and its pretty disgusting. His attitude has stunk for quite some time now, turns it on when he wants to. Great yeah he scores the odd goal, he also wastes opportunities by being greedy and going for the spectacular - but hey isn't that what gets him his adoration? When things don't go his way he mopes around the pitch sulking and its infuriating - some people ignore that and try and remember his glory moments. At this time more than any other we need him to fight and give 100% - he won't. I'm not happy withy Martinez - that is a seperate issue, Mirallas is a professional footballer who has a duty to the shirt. Unfortunately Martinez isn't strong enough to manage Mirallas and that is it. He has tried to discipline Mirallas and show him he is no bigger than the club, unfortuanetly Mirallas has thrown his toys out the pram. Brat. I don't care if he has scored 20 goals, that display of arrogance will long live in the memory - it was a key moment in a key game and he "DECIDED" then to challenge Baines as the penalty taker. It wasn't 3-0 up against Leicester with 42 points in the bank, it was a key moment before half time against a team that had parked the bus when we were desperate for a win. How do you know he wont fight for the team? How do you know he has thrown his toys out of the pram? Surely the lad needs more than the last couple of minutes of a game that has already been lost to make a decent impression, Im convinced you've gone into one about Miralllas simply because of your spat with MC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherpa Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) It's funny how quickly sides are taken and the blame game is started. We can all point to certain games and moments that may or may not have cost us... Missed penalties, fumbled shots, dropped catches and poor finishing you could go on and on. But the fact remains most teams suffer from these moments not just us. We have been poor from the moment Arsenal pegged us back in August, from that moment it was if we didn't believe anymore. I honestly don't know why but it is most certainly a combination of all of the reasons often posted about on this site. Martinez isn't responsible for the individual errors but he is responsible for our sterile play by rigidly sticking to his principles regardless. I don't have a problem with Mirallas stepping up to take the penalty, the fault with that lay with Jagielka who as our captain should have stepped in and made the decision, but he strangely slipped into the background at a time he was needed. That incident is symptomatic of the lack of leadership and direction afflicting our club at present from the top to bottom and in my opinion is the main reason we are where we are. Edited March 6, 2015 by Sherpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veedublin Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 If this doesn't look like a fallen leader so completely out of his element, I don't know what does. That picture, to me, says "I have absolutely no idea what the hell I'm doing, and people have found me out." I think the blame is not all his, but there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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