markiediow Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Anyone know more about what this Panorama program about Everton board is on Sunday and Monday? Its something to do with Moshiri and Usmonov. What implications could it have with Everton FC? These Panorama Specials never end well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Just now, markiediow said: Anyone know more about what this Panorama program about Everton board is on Sunday and Monday? Its something to do with Moshiri and Usmonov. What implications could it have with Everton FC? These Panorama Specials never end well. The whole special isn't about Everton, we'll just get a mention more than likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 The premier league scrutinised and signed off Moshiri buying in- there’s fuck all to worry about. EFC-Paul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 It’s more to do with where his money came from in the first place. Reading the article, it suggests that Moshiris arsenal shares were a gift, and then he has used those shares to sell up and buy the Everton shares. could that be tax evasion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcirony Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 The whole Moshiri/Usmanov thing stinks and if anyone claims they didn't already know that then they are burying their head in the sand. USM sponsorship? Share Gifts? Moshiri was Usmanovs accountant/financial advisor for years and the two are one in the same. I hate to say it but this was kind of inevitable. EDIT: this is not a dig exclusively at Everton. This is a dig at big business. Shock horror - post-soviet billionaire Russian is corrupt! Post-revolution Iranian billionaire has ulterior motive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 On bbc1 now. The BBC seem to think Moshiri's shares are really Usmanovs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogsy Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 I hope he buys the rest then!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 From what I've just seen. It's pretty damning evidence that Usmanov in the real investor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 BBC say Usmanov gave Moshiri a gift. Arsenal shares were bought wholly by Usmanov. In 2008 £63m was paid by an Usmanov company to a Moshiri company. They say Usmanov owned the company in the Isle of Man (Bridgewater) that registered holding company Blue Heaven Holdings and it was Bridgewater's job to do due diligence. A look at the name of the training ground would have told you have Usmanov has an interest in Everton. There's a BBC article on it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41878954 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 17 minutes ago, MC11 said: From what I've just seen. It's pretty damning evidence that Usmanov in the real investor. You not at the game MC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 16 minutes ago, Louis said: BBC say Usmanov gave Moshiri a gift. Arsenal shares were bought wholly by Usmanov. In 2008 £63m was paid by an Usmanov company to a Moshiri company. They say Usmanov owned the company in the Isle of Man (Bridgewater) that registered holding company Blue Heaven Holdings and it was Bridgewater's job to do due diligence. A look at the name of the training ground would have told you have Usmanov has an interest in Everton. There's a BBC article on it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41878954 No doubt he has an interest, but if the money came from the sale of Moshiri's Arsenal shares then the sale is legal. I think this will force Usmanov to sell his shares in Arsenal tho. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markiediow Posted November 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Has there been any other cases of clubs being bought against the rules like this? Is the punishment likely be against the person involved, or the club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Who gives a shit? We want usmanov here so if anything it’s a good thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 I best be careful how I spend any money gifted to me this Christmas. I mean if I buy something with money my mum gives me for Christmas does that mean she actually owns it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 10 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I best be careful how I spend any money gifted to me this Christmas. I mean if I buy something with money my mum gives me for Christmas does that mean she actually owns it? Legally a gift transfers the ownership to the beneficiary, what they do with it is up to them, unless your mum really likes what you bought then they usually take ownership! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Some Americans are linking Usmanov to Donald Trump in their russia investigation because Usmanov owns a % of Facebook via a company called DST. Fingers in pies. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/yuri-milner-facebook-twitter-russia.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, London Blue said: Legally a gift transfers the ownership to the beneficiary, what they do with it is up to them, unless your mum really likes what you bought then they usually take ownership! Fuck her if she thinks she’s having the ‘I love Oumar Niasse’ mug I’m planning on buying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Swarzy Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Paradise Papers: Who is in control of Everton? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41878954 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 It's nothing we didn't knew when Moshiri took over. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 The queen's in it with us! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41876942 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 So Moshiri points out the question we are all asking. When you give someone a gift, then it becomes theirs doesn’t it? If so then the only wrong doing to be investigated is whether the money has been taxed, which again is another argument. example. if I earn money and pay 22% tax through the years in that cash, then why do I have to pax tax again if I pass it onto my son? The corruption is with the country’s hierarchy not with Moshiri and Usmanov. even if he has given it to Moshiri as a gift, then he has already paid his taxes when earning the money. When he gave that taxes money to Moshiri, it should become Moshiri’s money. Any legal experts on? Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 non story here, just something to fill the evenings time with. moshiri accepted knowing full well the nature of it because he knew how ludicrous it all is. notice how there is no fall out? nothing being said in any papers? because there is nothing here to see. move along. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 It's nothing to do with money or taxes, the FA seem to think that it's still Usmanovs money just lent to moshiri to buy into Efc. The rules don't allow anybody to have ownership in more than one Club, I think that's why they are investigating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bill said: It's nothing to do with money or taxes, the FA seem to think that it's still Usmanovs money just lent to moshiri to buy into Efc. The rules don't allow anybody to have ownership in more than one Club, I think that's why they are investigating. I don't think that argument holds up either. If I borrow money from the bank and use it to buy a car it's still my car and not the banks'. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, MikeO said: I don't think that argument holds up either. If I borrow money from the bank and use it to buy a car it's still my car and not the banks'. Well, there's that and Morishi clarifying that it was neither a loan nor a gift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 We’re going to get relegated to the Inzagri league, Liverpool are going to get the docks and use Anfield for their rezzies, Goodison will be used as a toilet by kopites and we’ll be playing on Buckley Hill next season. you heard it here first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Everton is Usmanov's. Simple as that. Moshiri's is his puppet just like Earl was Greens. It's not a bad thing at all for us btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 40 minutes ago, Bill said: It's nothing to do with money or taxes, the FA seem to think that it's still Usmanovs money just lent to moshiri to buy into Efc. The rules don't allow anybody to have ownership in more than one Club, I think that's why they are investigating. It’s not the FA. They sanctioned the buy. Its a legal team who have gotten involved after seeing the leaked documents. So far the FA haven’t started any investigation. Or to my knowledge they haven’t? im still not sure where the legal standpoint is on receiving gifts? Food job I came from a poor family or i would probably be in trouble for spending my pocket money on things for myself. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 I'm not worried at all, because all this might seem evident but hardly can be proven. I doubt Usmanov and Moshiri are so stupid to not cover their tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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