Shukes Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Aidan said: Of course it was easier for the Villa striker he had so much space to do so. I'm not defending dom, nobody played well minus Mina IMO, but none of our forwards had time or space on the ball in the final third and none seem good enough in that situation. Difference was that DCL was holding the ball up under pressure. Wesley made our bigger players look weak. This is what I don’t get. Zouma was a bully. Tough lad that took every battle as an individual battle. Mina and Keane, for their size seem to be pushed around. Not sure if it’s a confidence thing, or just a weak mentality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said: I've calmed down a bit and this post is the voice of reason. Glad to be of some use to someone! I need to get it out my system now so I can get a good night's kip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Aidan said: Of course it was easier for the Villa striker he had so much space to do so. I'm not defending dom, nobody played well minus Mina IMO, but none of our forwards had time or space on the ball in the final third and none seem good enough in that situation. There was space in front of DCL too. The difference was Wesley's touch under pressure was better. I think they probably did better at getting players around him than we did but part of that is about trust in the player winning and controlling the ball. Doesn't excuse the others for similar poor performances though in the 3 behind. Bernard wildly inconsistent. Richarlison is hot and cold. Siggy flutters in and out of games rather than dictates games. Iwobi might help, Kean might help but they all seem to have too many off days. Even if you look at the start we made. How many chances did we create? Imagine a top team in that situation... They would have half a dozen chances with that pressure on around the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 6 hours ago, barryj said: I’m less forgiving you dirty cheating rat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Shukes said: Difference was that DCL was holding the ball up under pressure. Wesley made our bigger players look weak. This is what I don’t get. Zouma was a bully. Tough lad that took every battle as an individual battle. Mina and Keane, for their size seem to be pushed around. Not sure if it’s a confidence thing, or just a weak mentality? I think Keane can slightly be put in the softer, pushed around category. But I think Mina has balls of steel. I think he's squared up and argued with an opposition player each game so far. The guy seems a great character to have around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 @pete0 tonight is a prime example of us missing Gana. You can dress it up anyway you like but the ability he had to break up play and get interceptions meant I’m confident that with him instead of Schneiderlin would have led to a different result (assuming we could finish). Shukes, Newty82, markjazzbassist and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoat Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, FairWooney said: Mina played pretty well at the backbut noticed he's very keen fir a scrap. Luckily Digne seems to be looking out for him and at least a couple of times stepped in and pulled him away from trouble and had a word. I noticed Digne do that last game as well, he's like Mina's minder. I like that Mina is fiesty, but time and a place. He had NO business getting involved in Coleman's free kick that resulted in the double yellow. He wasn't in the play, he wasn't near play and that was his captain who had it under control in discussion with Oliver. Digne went and pulled him out, and when Mina kept going, Digne, giving away half a foot, didn't back down and got his finger up in his face and Mina backed away. I don't speak French or Spanish, but he clearly said "calm the fuck down and shut up ya big bastard". Of the several things that I noted during the game, most of them not good, that one event very much stood out. Someone said something earlier about there being no leaders on the pitch, I slightly disagree. Lucas Digne may very well be next man up for the armband. Matt and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Shukes said: Difference was that DCL was holding the ball up under pressure. Wesley made our bigger players look weak. This is what I don’t get. Zouma was a bully. Tough lad that took every battle as an individual battle. Mina and Keane, for their size seem to be pushed around. Not sure if it’s a confidence thing, or just a weak mentality? Mina was totally in command of his job today Wesley wasn’t pushing him around he got very little joy against Mina who was our man of the match tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Newty82 said: I think Keane can slightly be put in the softer, pushed around category. But I think Mina has balls of steel. I think he's squared up and argued with an opposition player each game so far. The guy seems a great character to have around. Don’t disagree mate. But I’m 5.8’ and I won headers against players 4” bigger all the time, just simply by being brave and jumping early (Timmy Cahill taught me that). How does he lose so many headers? You know what, I'm being unfair, he’s stepping up a league and needs time to realise he isn't going to be given free headers for being bigger. He’ll get there. Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisk Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 We still have so much work to do in next 2 transfer windows. Siggy is not an automatic starter for me, nor DCL. Davies, Theo, Sneids, Tosun are squad fillers. Back 4 picks itself due to lack of options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Palfy said: Mina was totally in command of his job today Wesley was pushing him around he got very little joy against Mina who was our man of the match tonight. Other than setting up the last goal? Who scores the first? Like I said mate, your football knowledge is as good as my ghist of the Chinese language... which I only k ow Chicken Chow Mein! Im only joking mate haha I would still love a night with you me and Newty. Would he a great laugh. Even bring Pad along... need someone miserable there to bring us back to earth Newty82 and Palfy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Shukes said: Other than setting up the last goal? Who scores the first? Like I said mate, your football knowledge is as good as my ghist of the Chinese language... which I only k ow Chicken Chow Mein! Im only joking mate haha I would still love a night with you me and Newty. Would he a great laugh. Even bring Pad along... need someone miserable there to bring us back to earth That'll happen one day. No doubt Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Shukes said: Don’t disagree mate. But I’m 5.8’ and I won headers against players 4” bigger all the time, just simply by being brave and jumping early (Timmy Cahill taught me that). How does he lose so many headers? You know what, I'm being unfair, he’s stepping up a league and needs time to realise he isn't going to be given free headers for being bigger. He’ll get there. I'm 5.7"...on a good day...and would lose a header against a garden gnome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 ...a fuckin big proper garden gnome though. Not one of those little cheap ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Newty82 said: I'm 5.7"...on a good day...and would lose a header against a garden gnome. Ok maybe I’m really 5.7’ but it’s good half way through I’ll tell you! Very nearly 5.8’! Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Shukes said: Other than setting up the last goal? Who scores the first? Like I said mate, your football knowledge is as good as my ghist of the Chinese language... which I only k ow Chicken Chow Mein! Im only joking mate haha I would still love a night with you me and Newty. Would he a great laugh. Even bring Pad along... need someone miserable there to bring us back to earth I’m good with that mate. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoat Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, Newty82 said: I'm 5.7"...on a good day...and would lose a header against a garden gnome. Garden gnomes have excellent timing, and they are quick off thier feet as everyone knows. No shame there. Plus they put that little pointy hat in your back right before they jump...sneaky Shukes and Newty82 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 VvD would have laughed at Wesley tonight. He would have stood off him and let him turn like the titanic. Villas manager planned Wesley playing against kean. It was obvious. Mina should have swapped over and went next to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 I’m using vvd as a barometer obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 Gomes was horrendous today. I love the guy but fuck me. Gilfi was worse because at least Gomes showed for the ball. One good thing was silva hooked him. Really really disappointed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 56 minutes ago, barryj said: @pete0 tonight is a prime example of us missing Gana. You can dress it up anyway you like but the ability he had to break up play and get interceptions meant I’m confident that with him instead of Schneiderlin would have led to a different result (assuming we could finish). FWIW I don't agree. This was a problem last year with Gana in the team. It would have helped to have more dynamism alongside Gomes generally but that is no surprise to anyone. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoat Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 24 minutes ago, Bailey said: FWIW I don't agree. This was a problem last year with Gana in the team. It would have helped to have more dynamism alongside Gomes generally but that is no surprise to anyone. Schneiderlin didn't have a bad game for me. He is a solid but not spectacular player - a very good compliment to a more active dynamic midfield partner. The last 30 minutes of the game we were basically in a 4-2-4. The only thing I really saw missing from Schneiderlin's game was his partner. If it had been Gana having his worst day ever, it would have been similar. If it had been JPB in there today instead of Schneiderlin, especially in the last 30 mins, he wouldn't have looked good either trying to cover the entire middle of the pitch. Gomes had his worst game in an Everton shirt, and crippled us. It happens. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 Villa are shite. I’m not saying it to be bitter at all. We lost the game in the middle of the park. We were so open when we lost the ball. Gana would have mopped up and been all over grealish and mcginn markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 47 minutes ago, Bailey said: FWIW I don't agree. This was a problem last year with Gana in the team. It would have helped to have more dynamism alongside Gomes generally but that is no surprise to anyone. First time I think I’ve ever disagreed with your view. I agree we needed more dynamism but thats exactly why I think we missed Gana tonight. Not for anything he added going forward but the confidence he gave in other players taking a more advanced role. I felt tonight more than ever all the midfield dropped back. This was more prevalent in Gomes but also included Siggy and this isn’t just tonight’s game as we saw that at Palace as well. Edit - I was actually wanting Davies on for Schneiderlin to add a bit more going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 I must be the only person that saw what villa tonight. Wesley sat on Keane all night and bossed him. Mina should have swapped but didn’t. Our midfield was wide open tonight. Grealish who I rate didn’t have to bother. Gana like I said would have been the difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Finn balor said: Villa are shite. I’m not saying it to be bitter at all. We lost the game in the middle of the park. We were so open when we lost the ball. Gana would have mopped up and been all over grealish and mcginn Yeah that’s what got to me as well. They were plain awful in the final third. They kept passing it out of bounds. They were a pub league side out there. Gana would have made a massive difference as Morgan kept doing the 4 yard passes to Gomes and then back. Morgan was useless he doesn’t intercept and break up play he is out there doing fuck all except 4 yard passes sideways. We need gbamin back and quick. Or abandon the 2 dm while he’s out and have 1 player back and 2 forward to get more going in the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 I saw it as they were hitting us on the break when we were camped in there half and lost the ball, they quickly played a long ball out to the channels and came out in numbers with pace, Coleman and Digne were constantly caught up field rendering them infective when they broke, and Keane was weak against Wesley. They had the perfect game plan in that sense and our lack of fire power and poor finishing played into their hands, when we dominate the first 20 minutes of a game we need to score 1 or 2 otherwise what happened will be replicated a few more times this season. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 Can only really echo what Palfy said. It was a perfect storm for Villa that. We attack without a clue and then eventually fuck it up, so they can break on what is a very slow central midfield and defence. There's only really Digne who has any sort of pace out of those 6 players and even he isn't particularly quick. Those slow players won't be as much of a problem if we can sort out how we play when we're in possession of the ball and that means making changes to our attacking players. Sigurdsson is a definite one that needs to take a back seat and I'd be benching Richarlison too (if only to give him a kick up the arse). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 I watched on tv outside a bar with no sound as were away on hols, so no annoying commentary, and I felt ultimately we lost the game on poor finishing, we had a few changes but didn't make them count, Villa had 3 I can think of, 2 went in and Pickford made a good save on the other. Gomes had a shocker, and I don't think his pairing with Schniederlin works at all, and I got sick of seeing passes not going to the intended player,a really poor showing after the first goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 If we carry on with DCl we will be talking about missed chances all season. The midfield is a real problem for me on that performance and with JPG being out for a while there’s not much we can do to change it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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