Cornish Steve Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 While nothing has been proved, there's so much smoke around that there might well be fire. Yesterday's decision not to give Wolves a penalty, even after a VAR review, smacks of corruption. Do we honestly think betting companies are major sponsors without being tempted to influence games, usually through officials? Then there's all the jiggery-pokery surrounding the big clubs who inflate their revenue through marketing deals involving owners' family or other such shady means (that no major business corporation would ever allow). Will Saudi owners of Newcastle use the ultra-wealthy Saudi league to give their English team an advantage? I'd feel a lot better about all this if an independent commission - a real one and not a powerless placatory committee - looked into the possibility of corruption in football. I'd also like to see a ban on all sponsorship or other involvement in sport by the betting companies. It's too much of a conflict of interest.https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66506026 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: While nothing has been proved, there's so much smoke around that there might well be fire. Yesterday's decision not to give Wolves a penalty, even after a VAR review, smacks of corruption. Do we honestly think betting companies are major sponsors without being tempted to influence games, usually through officials? Then there's all the jiggery-pokery surrounding the big clubs who inflate their revenue through marketing deals involving owners' family. Will Saudi owners of Newcastle use the ultra-wealthy Saudi league to give their English team an advantage? I'd feel a lot better about all this if an independent commission - a real one and not a placatory setup - looked into the possibility of corruption in football. I'd also like to see a ban on all sponsorship or other involvement in sport by the betting companies. It's too much of a conflict of interest.https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66506026 Sky hosts the matches and fiercely promotes Sky Bet. Definitely no conflict of interest between the broadcasters and betting companies... Sibdane, Newty82 and Cornish Steve 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted August 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Matt said: Sky hosts the matches and fiercely promotes Sky Bet. Definitely no conflict of interest between the broadcasters and betting companies... Yesterday's decision against Wolves was so blatant. I fail to see how such obvious manipulation is anything other than corrupt. One official might be hopelessly incompetent, but not a team of three with video evidence right before their eyes. Matt, Palfy and Formby 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 13 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: Yesterday's decision against Wolves was so blatant. I fail to see how such obvious manipulation is anything other than corrupt. One official might be hopelessly incompetent, but not a team of three with video evidence right before their eyes. Our disallowed goal was blatant too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Cornish Steve said: Yesterday's decision against Wolves was so blatant. I fail to see how such obvious manipulation is anything other than corrupt. One official might be hopelessly incompetent, but not a team of three with video evidence right before their eyes. United are involved. They've had Stockley Park in their back pockets forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted August 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Formby said: United are involved. They've had Stockley Park in their back pockets forever. I'd really like to know just how much money was riding on United not winning last night. Did the betting companies profit from the referees' decision? By tracking profit/loss associated with controversial decisions, it should be relatively straightforward to determine whether or not there's a correlation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 Regarding yesterday's nonsense https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/38195447/referee-var-taken-prem-duty-onana-penalty-error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 46 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said: Regarding yesterday's nonsense https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/38195447/referee-var-taken-prem-duty-onana-penalty-error I’m sure Wolves now feel absolutely fine about it. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 VAR is a complete shambles to be honest. The wolves penalty & the decision in our game should have, at the very least been referred back to the on field official to view the monitor & make a decision. In saying that both were quite blatantly missed by the on field officials I doubt they would have changed them. At least there is somewhat accountability now but it doesn’t change the fact these decisions are costing teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 15 hours ago, Matt said: Our disallowed goal was blatant too If Onana was deemed not to foul someone making that much intended contact, I honestly don’t understand how Tarkwoski was deemed to foul Leno when making minimal unintended contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 I want ex pros to be refs. Till that happens I’ll never be satisfied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Hafnia said: I want ex pros to be refs. Till that happens I’ll never be satisfied I get the theory, but thats too much opportunity to help mates out. dunlopp9987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Btay said: VAR is a complete shambles to be honest. The wolves penalty & the decision in our game should have, at the very least been referred back to the on field official to view the monitor & make a decision. In saying that both were quite blatantly missed by the on field officials I doubt they would have changed them. At least there is somewhat accountability now but it doesn’t change the fact these decisions are costing teams. Our goal was absolutely nothing to do with VAR because VAR couldn't get involved in it. That was all on the prick Atwell. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 5 hours ago, Hafnia said: I want ex pros to be refs. Till that happens I’ll never be satisfied I partly agree with you but you only need to listen to some of the crap they come out with on TV to know that isn't a foolproof idea either! Matt and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 On 16/08/2023 at 10:55, Matt said: I get the theory, but thats too much opportunity to help mates out. There is that. Bias exists in every form though. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 On 16/08/2023 at 08:55, Matt said: I get the theory, but thats too much opportunity to help mates out. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66612570 Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Matt said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66612570 The fact he's had the audacity to come out and say this just goes to show that protection of referees has gone too far and they feel untouchable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Matt said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66612570 A damning indictment of the VAR system if ever I saw one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 55 minutes ago, Gwlad said: A damning indictment of the VAR system if ever I saw one. It's not, there's absolutely nothing wrong with VAR. It's a damning indictment of the people utilising it. MikeO, Newty82 and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 I just read that article & I can't say I shocked. The calls have been that bad & consistent that there had to this stuff going on. Unprofessional & down right disappointing to hear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: It's a damning indictment of the people utilising it. That's what I meant!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 Lost patience, anyone care to help out: I’ve made a petition – will you sign it? Click this link to sign the petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/653826/sponsors/new?token=lehGvQ_Z5OzGQVLTfv6W My petition: Investigate the Premier League, FA and Referee Association for corruption Football is a fundamental part of life in England and beyond yet is being defined by money men who are more interested in growing a business by prioritising clubs with bigger financial pull. Alternatively, they're making it up as they go along which severely impacts communities and mental health We request an investigation into the FA, PL and Referee association for signs of corruption and bias. We, the fans, require better visibility and more of a say into how our sport is run. Click this link to sign the petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/653826/sponsors/new?token=lehGvQ_Z5OzGQVLTfv6W MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 Signed, Matt and forwarded to other fans. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Matt said: Lost patience, anyone care to help out: I’ve made a petition – will you sign it? Click this link to sign the petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/653826/sponsors/new?token=lehGvQ_Z5OzGQVLTfv6W My petition: Investigate the Premier League, FA and Referee Association for corruption Football is a fundamental part of life in England and beyond yet is being defined by money men who are more interested in growing a business by prioritising clubs with bigger financial pull. Alternatively, they're making it up as they go along which severely impacts communities and mental health We request an investigation into the FA, PL and Referee association for signs of corruption and bias. We, the fans, require better visibility and more of a say into how our sport is run. Click this link to sign the petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/653826/sponsors/new?token=lehGvQ_Z5OzGQVLTfv6W Why not go on page long rants instead? It's what I do... I'll sign and forward Matt and Palfy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Hafnia said: Why not go on page long rants instead? It's what I do... I'll sign and forward Oh I'm coming to you for when we need to defend our argument. You'll make them give up in no time Romey 1878 and Hafnia 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, Matt said: Oh I'm coming to you for when we need to defend our argument. You'll make them give up in no time Haf is the nearest thing we have to a Politician on this site, he gets my vote until he blames Pickford for everything including Covid, the cost of living crisis, Brexit and most of our losses Matt and Hafnia 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 I'm convinced all the protests against the premier is also having an adverse reaction against us from all the officials and Var. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, patto said: I'm convinced all the protests against the premier is also having an adverse reaction against us from all the officials and Var. I know what you mean, before we protested against them stealing 10 points from us we used to get the rub of the green. I miss those days. MikeO, Hafnia and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: I know what you mean, before we protested against them stealing 10 points from us we used to get the rub of the green. I miss those days. If you think it was bad then it’s a lot worse now and I don’t see it improving any time soon. Var needs scrapping they have the power to ruin football clubs. we need to be safe weeks before the end of the season or it could be us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 10 Author Report Share Posted January 10 Almost always, when there's a whiff of corruption, follow the money. There's plenty of it about in a very relevant corner... https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/10/sport/denise-coates-bet365-salary-spt-intl/index.html Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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