Lowensda Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 He'll prove a lot of people wrong. Come on James! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Man U stumping up £27.5M have basically paid the extra we have had to pay for McCathy - so yes paid over the odds £3m over the odd for McCathy, but is out of Man U pockets. Droobie and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msloan78 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Looked like Jim White was on phone to someone at Everton who said we were always going to do business with Wigan and that the deal was not dependant on selling that Belgian lad that used to play for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBlood81 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Confirmed on SSN! Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Just waiting for the OS now. Now getting excited until./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ph3nom3non Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Sorry if someone has said this earlier in the post, just wondering what does he bring to the pitch, what are his strengths? Not really seen him play that often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Steve_E Posted September 3, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Sorry if someone has said this earlier in the post, just wondering what does he bring to the pitch, what are his strengths? Not really seen him play that often. One quality is that he's versatile: he has played as a box-to-box midfielder, as a holding midfielder, on the right wing and even a bit as a centre back last season. Given that we've also signed Barry, I suspect he'll be playing in more of a box-to-box role for Everton. Anyways, that versatility requires tactical intelligence at the very least and he has got that. He's an intelligent player, he'll position himself well, play tactically disciplined, etc. He's a good passer: he's accurate and has got good range. He's also nimble player, who turns easily, and he's got good touch with both feet, so he can receive the ball in tight spaces. He's also got a decent acceleration on him, nothing spectacular, but he'll cover more ground quicker than Osman or Gibson will. I don't know whether you remember the cup game, but it was McCarthy who forced Neville into making that bad pass by making a sprint over the length of Wigan's half and putting pressure on him. He's a clever player winning the ball, he'll put pressure on the opponent's first touch, etc. A weakness would be headed duels though, which can be a problem if he's the sole holding midfield player. By all accounts he's also a player with a very professional attitude (an interview that illustrates that: http://www.ciarano.me/post/36005296438/james-mccarthy-ive-loved-having-to-always-watch-what). His national team manager wants him to be more aggressive though, believe in himself more and let his voice be heard. I don't know how serious of a problem that is, but perhaps that could affect him if the Goodison crowd start to murmur if he doesn't immediately impress as he did cost a lot of money. £13m is a lot of course, but if those extra couple of millions are required to secure the target you really want, I have no problem with that. Especially considering he's also still very young at 22, he could be Barkley's midfield partner for the considerable future. Despite that age, he's already a very experienced player as well, having already played in over 200 professional games (he came into the Hamilton team at age 16). Sibdane, Romey 1878, markjazzbassist and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Excellent and objective summary. I'd add that his pass completion rate approaches 90% (considerably higher than Fellaini's), and he spreads the ball around well. He's often the one who originates attacks with his quick thinking and intelligent positioning. I agree with the statement about lack of aggression. By striking up a partnership with Barkley, though, I can see this changing quite quickly; each will build on the other's strengths. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Sorry if someone has said this earlier in the post, just wondering what does he bring to the pitch, what are his strengths? Not really seen him play that often. http://theexecutionersbong.wordpress.com/2013/09/03/james-mccarthy-gareth-barry-strengths-and-weaknesses/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 http://theexecutionersbong.wordpress.com/2013/09/03/james-mccarthy-gareth-barry-strengths-and-weaknesses/ I'd just like to point out that those tackle and interception stats are not the Opta stats. (http://www.squawka.com/players/james-mccarthy#performance-score#wigan-athletic#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2012/2013#2#all-matches#1-38#by-match ==> you can click on "compare James McCarthy against others" to check for yourself if you want) -Leon Osman had 66 tackles won (at a 78% success rate) and 82 interceptions in 36 games (which means he had 4,1 tackles + interceptions per game). -Darron Gibson had 27 tackles (at a 61% success rate) and 35 interceptions in 23 games (which makes for 2,7 tackles and interceptions per game). -"Benchmark" Michael Carrick won 58 tackles (at a 70% success rate) and 76 interceptions in 36 games (3,7 tackles and interceptions per game, which would mean that Leon Osman is a better defender if stats always tell the exact truth). -James McCarthy had 74 tackles won (at a 75% success rate) and 76 interceptions in 38 games (3,9 tackles and interceptions per game). Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 seriously, I think this is a shrewd and very smart move. This is investment if anything, whether that be a top player for the best part of 8 years (should he stay) or sell him later on, I really think he'll do well here. He'll give you everything, every game. He'll need time to settle, but once he does, we won't even notice him (in the best possible way) because we'll accept his high levels of performance as 'normal' and get back to shouting at Pienaar for not keeping it "simple". Romey 1878 and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) I'd just like to point out that those tackle and interception stats are not the Opta stats. (http://www.squawka.com/players/james-mccarthy#performance-score#wigan-athletic#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2012/2013#2#all-matches#1-38#by-match ==> you can click on "compare James McCarthy against others" to check for yourself if you want) -Leon Osman had 66 tackles won (at a 78% success rate) and 82 interceptions in 36 games (which means he had 4,1 tackles + interceptions per game). -Darron Gibson had 27 tackles (at a 61% success rate) and 35 interceptions in 23 games (which makes for 2,7 tackles and interceptions per game). -"Benchmark" Michael Carrick won 58 tackles (at a 70% success rate) and 76 interceptions in 36 games (3,7 tackles and interceptions per game, which would mean that Leon Osman is a better defender if stats always tell the exact truth). -James McCarthy had 74 tackles won (at a 75% success rate) and 76 interceptions in 38 games (3,9 tackles and interceptions per game). That may be the truth, he shouldn't be that kind of player though, he's an offensive player who should be doing offensive work. Credit to him for being better than Carrick though Edited September 3, 2013 by tenaciousj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I think he'll be playing often, but not in every starting line-up. He could be a glorified understudy for Barry, which is another good reason to get Barry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I think he'll be playing often, but not in every starting line-up. He could be a glorified understudy for Barry, which is another good reason to get Barry. I agree with one of your posts. Also, no sign of Belgian involvement. You ok, Mirallas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I agree with one of your posts. Also, no sign of Belgian involvement. You ok, Mirallas? Hey! Does this ring a bell? Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) I'd just like to point out that those tackle and interception stats are not the Opta stats. (http://www.squawka.com/players/james-mccarthy#performance-score#wigan-athletic#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2012/2013#2#all-matches#1-38#by-match ==> you can click on "compare James McCarthy against others" to check for yourself if you want) -Leon Osman had 66 tackles won (at a 78% success rate) and 82 interceptions in 36 games (which means he had 4,1 tackles + interceptions per game). -Darron Gibson had 27 tackles (at a 61% success rate) and 35 interceptions in 23 games (which makes for 2,7 tackles and interceptions per game). -"Benchmark" Michael Carrick won 58 tackles (at a 70% success rate) and 76 interceptions in 36 games (3,7 tackles and interceptions per game, which would mean that Leon Osman is a better defender if stats always tell the exact truth). -James McCarthy had 74 tackles won (at a 75% success rate) and 76 interceptions in 38 games (3,9 tackles and interceptions per game). I also want to note that per game stats probably aren't the most telling. In sports where the use of data is much more advanced, like basketball, even fans have access to per 100 possessions stats. Because basketball teams play at a very different pace, they regularize statistics over 100 possessions. The same goes for football teams. Wigan played a slower, deliberate pace while we played a more uptempo, direct style. So there will probably have been a bigger turnover of possessions in Everton games than in Wigan games which means Everton players will simply have more opportunities to win the ball and thus to look impressive in per game stats. Also, he says that his percentage of passes forward can give an impression of a crab, but that is just a byproduct of Wigan's more deliberate style. And then he doesn't acccount for his higher number of total passes which means that he actually gives about as much forward passes per game (1235/38= 33) as Osman (1200/36=33) and Gibson (790/23=34) did. Edited September 3, 2013 by Steve_E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I think he'll be playing often, but not in every starting line-up. He could be a glorified understudy for Barry, which is another good reason to get Barry. He will play every game, I believe he will partner Barry in a defensive mid duo designed to give Barkley the protection he needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) from the BBC: Everton have stated that McCarthy, 22, has signed for £13m, but Wigan say the fee is in the region of £15m. how is there a 2m misunderstanding?? Edited September 3, 2013 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 from the BBC: how is there a 2m misunderstanding?? The names Whelan. Dave Whelan. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 The names Whelan. Dave Whelan. maybe... God he was pissing me of yesterday. I dont blame him for wanting to get the best for his player, but calling 2 people at SSN - whilst on or moments before being on camera - to complain about the deal Everton offered?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 He's a dick. Full stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 maybe... God he was pissing me of yesterday. I dont blame him for wanting to get the best for his player, but calling 2 people at SSN - whilst on or moments before being on camera - to complain about the deal Everton offered?! Did you know he broke his leg in the FA Cup final and made his money in the sports shop industry? Romey 1878 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Did you know he broke his leg in the FA Cup final and made his money in the sports shop industry? Really ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 can't tell you how glad i am to see this in the general everton discussion...this lad is gonna add so much energy to that midfield..no more quicksand running from osman SydneyBlue, Lowensda, markjazzbassist and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 can't tell you how glad i am to see this in the general everton discussion...this lad is gonna add so much energy to that midfield..no more quicksand running from osman I did 'like' your posts...but the like bar disappeared...? marcopaulo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I did 'like' your posts...but the like bar disappeared...? you 2 are getting too friendly... MikeO, Lowensda and marcopaulo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 See how this works....you sir, have been down voted MikeO, rubecula, marcopaulo and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 See how this works....you sir, have been down voted so have you lol Lowensda and marcopaulo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 i like this Lowensda and marcopaulo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 so have you lol Have I marcopaulo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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