duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 https://www.everton.news/777-partners-plot-crunch-meeting-to-finally-decide-everton-ownership-situation-tomorrow/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RuffRob Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: it's fucking so sad our business is being conducted in this way. I really really hope 777 Partners are able to make a go of it with us. For all their perceived faults, they do at least seem like an entity who actually have some faith and vision in the Everton brand. They really do seem to be keen to get this deal over the line. I don't seem to be seeing any sort of faith elsewhere else. which is worrying in itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 It's a worrying that 777 don't have the finances to take on the club. Or so it seems. More dodgy wheeling and dealing. But we're used to that this last 20 odd years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 7 hours ago, RuffRob said: it's fucking so sad our business is being conducted in this way. I really really hope 777 Partners are able to make a go of it with us. For all their perceived faults, they do at least seem like an entity who actually have some faith and vision in the Everton brand. They really do seem to be keen to get this deal over the line. I don't seem to be seeing any sort of faith elsewhere else. which is worrying in itself. Or they've pumped so much money into a company that's clearly going bankrupt and they can't afford to lose that investment... They're keen because it was a potential cash cow for them. But at this point, if they get to take over before the summer transfer window, they'll be selling everything they can to reclaim their losses. Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 3 hours ago, Newty82 said: It's a worrying that 777 don't have the finances to take on the club. Or so it seems. More dodgy wheeling and dealing. But we're used to that this last 20 odd years. If they get in then be prepared to be milked for everything you have, mate. It'll be the fans that pay for their takeover, not them. Matt and Newty82 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 3 hours ago, Matt said: Or they've pumped so much money into a company that's clearly going bankrupt and they can't afford to lose that investment... They're keen because it was a potential cash cow for them. But at this point, if they get to take over before the summer transfer window, they'll be selling everything they can to reclaim their losses. 3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: If they get in then be prepared to be milked for everything you have, mate. It'll be the fans that pay for their takeover, not them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: If they get in then be prepared to be milked for everything you have, mate. It'll be the fans that pay for their takeover, not them. We're already paying a price... I can see a fire sale within the first 2 weeks of them getting in; Pickford (although I'm not sure he will want to move), Onana, Branthwaite, DCL, Doucouré. Garner (but as a local lad, might not want to). All so that, when we get done again next year by the PL, we can hope for leniency again. Harrison won't be kept on, neither will Danjuma. There's a good chance that Beto will be leading the line and we're propped up by loans, gambles on frees and kids... They'll also dump Dyche on day 1, so then we need to look for a manager that's going to have 0 budget, half a senior squad, a divided fan base (in some regards) and future PL bullshit charges. Y'all think it's bad now... Edit: oh and Coleman and Young retiring (please) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, Matt said: We're already paying a price... I can see a fire sale within the first 2 weeks of them getting in; Pickford (although I'm not sure he will want to move), Onana, Branthwaite, DCL, Doucouré. Garner (but as a local lad, might not want to). All so that, when we get done again next year by the PL, we can hope for leniency again. Harrison won't be kept on, neither will Danjuma. There's a good chance that Beto will be leading the line and we're propped up by loans, gambles on frees and kids... They'll also dump Dyche on day 1, so then we need to look for a manager that's going to have 0 budget, half a senior squad, a divided fan base (in some regards) and future PL bullshit charges. Y'all think it's bad now... Edit: oh and Coleman and Young retiring (please) ....other than that, we should be sound Romey 1878 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 7 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: If they get in then be prepared to be milked for everything you have, mate. It'll be the fans that pay for their takeover, not them. I agree their not giving up on buying us because there hardened Everton fans it because they can see a quick buck in it for themselves. But what concerns me is where are all these others who are interested in buying the club surely by now with 777 struggling to raise the money they would be throwing their hats in the ring, for me it seems like it’s 777 or bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 I hear a lot of scare mongering about what 777 Partner are going to do once they aquire us. Everton are not a cash cow, our revenue is pretty poor in PL terms for anybody at the moment and I don't see how a 'quick buck' is going to be turned by buying something for more that it's potentially worth, and then 'selling off' the best part of the business. Evertons biggest issue over the past 5-6 year (and beyond) is that its not been properly run as a world class PL footballing business. To me surly the best way to make money out of a poorly run football club is to actually run the club properly and increase the Everton brand globally. We have seen club run by some very nieve owners who have thrown money around all over the place, with it pretty much all wasted. I am fairly sure 777 Partners will.be putting their top sports business people to work on the Everton project. It will not be about how much money they can throw at the project, I will be about making Everton a good or great footballing business. Although, I say it with a degree of caution, I think the 777 Partnership takeover has the potential to improve this club massively - time for new blood and new approach. Newty82 and London Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 28 minutes ago, RuffRob said: I hear a lot of scare mongering about what 777 Partner are going to do once they aquire us. Everton are not a cash cow, our revenue is pretty poor in PL terms for anybody at the moment and I don't see how a 'quick buck' is going to be turned by buying something for more that it's potentially worth, and then 'selling off' the best part of the business. Evertons biggest issue over the past 5-6 year (and beyond) is that its not been properly run as a world class PL footballing business. To me surly the best way to make money out of a poorly run football club is to actually run the club properly and increase the Everton brand globally. We have seen club run by some very nieve owners who have thrown money around all over the place, with it pretty much all wasted. I am fairly sure 777 Partners will.be putting their top sports business people to work on the Everton project. It will not be about how much money they can throw at the project, I will be about making Everton a good or great footballing business. Although, I say it with a degree of caution, I think the 777 Partnership takeover has the potential to improve this club massively - time for new blood and new approach. If we weren't a cash cow, or rather a potential cash cow, there's no way an investment firm would be looking to buy us, let alone put up with all the shit around the acquisition. These groups, and 777 by its own admission, buy clubs to strip them to the bone and rebuild from scratch, assuming they can continue to load debt onto the club a la Glazers. Seeing them asking for extensions to gather the cash because they don't have a positive cash flow isn’t fear mongering, but it sure as hell is scary. The issues at their other projects, like not paying players, isn't fear mongering, but again is extremely concerning. The shiny "crown jewel" quote is nothing more than propaganda that any sane person representing an interested party would say and it may well be true, until the next opportunity presents itself. It's not a matter of fear mongering, it is a matter of seeing the warning signs and being wary. They will be hard pressed to not improve us but the cost to the club is going to be high and I don't mean monetarily. "777 Partners have been sued by multiple organizations for unpaid debts and contract breaches with lawsuits describing their financial practices as a "house of cards"[28][29][30] and a "sprawling fraudulent enterprise".[31][32]" Just fills ya with hope, dunnit Newty82, Formby and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 I think, realistically, with 777, we can look forward to, at best, midtable mediocrity for time to come...which is better than relegation scraps! I mean, that's what we've been for most of the last 30 odd years anyway. I just hope there is a plan that involves reigniting the youth set up...I find it very hard to believe we don't develop players good enough for a bottom of the table scrap...and a young manager with a vision...that we, as fans, allow to develop for more than 12-18months. Sibdane and Formby 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 11 hours ago, Matt said: If we weren't a cash cow, or rather a potential cash cow, there's no way an investment firm would be looking to buy us, let alone put up with all the shit around the acquisition. These groups, and 777 by its own admission, buy clubs to strip them to the bone and rebuild from scratch, assuming they can continue to load debt onto the club a la Glazers. Seeing them asking for extensions to gather the cash because they don't have a positive cash flow isn’t fear mongering, but it sure as hell is scary. The issues at their other projects, like not paying players, isn't fear mongering, but again is extremely concerning. The shiny "crown jewel" quote is nothing more than propaganda that any sane person representing an interested party would say and it may well be true, until the next opportunity presents itself. It's not a matter of fear mongering, it is a matter of seeing the warning signs and being wary. They will be hard pressed to not improve us but the cost to the club is going to be high and I don't mean monetarily. "777 Partners have been sued by multiple organizations for unpaid debts and contract breaches with lawsuits describing their financial practices as a "house of cards"[28][29][30] and a "sprawling fraudulent enterprise".[31][32]" Just fills ya with hope, dunnit If they can turn us from a financial fuck up to a potential cash cow of a club - all credit to them. Aren't we looking for somebody to unlock our 'potential'. Then they will have done a significantly better job than anybody else in the past +20years. The main thing that has been wrong with Everton is its been poorly run at the top ownership level - so why wouldn't they favour sorting our how the club is run and managed in the first instance rather than selling tangible assets for what would most likley have to be sold cheaper than what they have just raised the funds to purchased - the sum of its parts are not worth as much as Everton as a whole . 777 are doing the exact opposite of selling asset at Genoa - they are buy and looking to improving them there. I would be looking at what they are doing in Genoe (the current biggest football club in their portfolio) to mabye get the best idea of what they might do with us, rather than speculation on what the doom mongers are writing about. To me there are easier less risky ways to turn a quick buck than buying a football club. I really don't think thats what this buy out is all about. I am aware of the warning signs and all the negative stuff thats out there about them, but I want to be causiuosely optomistic about 777 Partners as it looks highly likley that they will be the new owners. I don't want to focus on negatives before they have even stepped foot in the building - been nothing but negatives about this club for far to long. I am not nieve, and I realise it's all about making money. The best way to make money - and big money in football is to make the club and everything around it better and grow the Everton brand. I think 777 Partners see us very much as a sleeping giant and believe they can awake that giant and bring us in to the modern footballing arena to the benefit to both shareholder and fans alike. isn't that what we all want as fans from a owner? I don't have a problem with that - smart, current and innovative people running the show is what this club need more than anything and I think this is what 777 Partners beleive they can bring to the show to get best value out of purchasing Everton. If 777 Partners are pulling together the best part of a billion to aquire us, then we will be getting the upmost attention and efforts from their very best people. This mob are going to be about running us effectively rather than chucking money at problems. We have had autocratic leadership at this club for to long, individuals who think they know best in running a football club making all key desision, and doing it badly - time to go for a more democratic and stratigic leadership. This cup has the potential to be just as much half full as it is to be half empty. Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/17/everton-on-the-brink-questions-over-clubs-finances-are-more-urgent-than-ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 11 hours ago, Matt said: "777 Partners have been sued by multiple organizations for unpaid debts and contract breaches with lawsuits describing their financial practices as a "house of cards"[28][29][30] and a "sprawling fraudulent enterprise".[31][32]" Just fills ya with hope, dunnit From what I've read of Usmanov, I don't think we were exactly dealing with angels before. Football finance is a murky business. It would be nice to have a mega-rich Everton fan benefactor who could buy the club out but, at the moment, even the vultures aren't interested in picking at our carcass. Sibdane and Newty82 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 1 hour ago, Newty82 said: I think, realistically, with 777, we can look forward to, at best, midtable mediocrity for time to come... Oh, I dream of such a thing! A couple of tenth places, the occasional foray to the QF of a cup, a big win over someone in the Top 4. Nice and stable. Romey 1878, Gwlad, Matt and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 40 minutes ago, Formby said: From what I've read of Usmanov, I don't think we were exactly dealing with angels before. Football finance is a murky business. It would be nice to have a mega-rich Everton fan benefactor who could buy the club out but, at the moment, even the vultures aren't interested at picking at our carcass. Oh there's no doubt Moshiri played dirty, too. It's why I was so concerned about him taking over. Well, not the takeover I guess, rather how he went about "running" the club by throwing money around and overriding his employees; the Bolasie signing was the big red flag moment for me. The difference was it was possible to see where the finances came from. There's also rumours, so fist of salt time, that there are several others hovering. I'm presuming they are waiting for this to fall through before making any public statement though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 37 minutes ago, Formby said: Oh, I dream of such a thing! A couple of tenth places, the occasional foray to the QF of a cup, a big win over someone in the Top 4. Nice and stable. If we got 2 seasons of 10th, the fans will be complaining why we're not 6th. We always want better but we're often too impatient. Fingers crossed that comes true from next season though! Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 54 minutes ago, Matt said: If we got 2 seasons of 10th, the fans will be complaining why we're not 6th. We always want better but we're often too impatient. Fingers crossed that comes true from next season though! That's human nature. the reason our club has ended up where it is is mainly due to 7th place being touted as a great season. how did we get there from being multiple league winners? It's dilution of expectations. as soon as you accept less you are plotting the descent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 14 minutes ago, Hafnia said: That's human nature. the reason our club has ended up where it is is mainly due to 7th place being touted as a great season. how did we get there from being multiple league winners? It's dilution of expectations. as soon as you accept less you are plotting the descent Not sure it's a matter of accepting less, at least not for me. It's a matter of accepting the current and being patient enough to allow change to take place and that's not something we, collectively, as fans have been good at nor has our "owner" because we all want, rightly, for things to improve dramatically in a very short space of time. But with each chop and change it creates more instability and friction. I don't blame fans being annoyed but the short levels of patience can have for change projects that have a 3-5 year plan isnt helping. Romey 1878 and jaymz_555 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 11 minutes ago, Hafnia said: That's human nature. the reason our club has ended up where it is is mainly due to 7th place being touted as a great season. how did we get there from being multiple league winners? It's dilution of expectations. as soon as you accept less you are plotting the descent But there has to be a sense of reality and context too, doesn't there? We've flirted with relegation 3 years in a row. To finish 7th next season would be a great season! If, as we've seen, the man who gets us 7th, then has a wobble for a period the next season, and gets sacked...we'll not see any progress. We were multiple league winners 40 years ago. We've won one cup in 30 years. So the 'accepting' 7th comes from being pretty shit for the vast majority of the last 30 odd years. I could walk into a room full of rich fuckers and pretend I drive a Ferrari. But at some point I have to accept the reality of where I am...(I only don't drive a Ferrari because the roads in Cumbria are shit ). Romey 1878 and Gwlad 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 1 minute ago, Matt said: Not sure it's a matter of accepting less, at least not for me. It's a matter of accepting the current and being patient enough to allow change to take place and that's not something we, collectively, as fans have been good at nor has our "owner" because we all want, rightly, for things to improve dramatically in a very short space of time. But with each chop and change it creates more instability and friction. I don't blame fans being annoyed but the short levels of patience can have for change projects that have a 3-5 year plan isnt helping. It would take a very long graph for me to plot the timelines of errors, missed opportunities and the various subtleties that have got us to where we are. the immediate trajectory change was the European ban - can't blame anyone at the club for that. It was a huge trajectory changer but none the less we won the league in 1986-1987 and we did have opportunities to stay in the pack. 1989 onwards to 1995 was doldrums but the gap wasn't huge and was recoverable. the biggest correction opportunity we had was Rooney and the kings dock site. Kenwright absolutely destroyed it. Tried to flog Rooney to Chelsea without Rooney knowing and created the sale to man United cos Rooney was fuming. Kings dock... well let's just say we would be regular top 4 and trophy winners now. We would have been snapped up and had huge investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 10 minutes ago, Newty82 said: But there has to be a sense of reality and context too, doesn't there? We've flirted with relegation 3 years in a row. To finish 7th next season would be a great season! If, as we've seen, the man who gets us 7th, then has a wobble for a period the next season, and gets sacked...we'll not see any progress. We were multiple league winners 40 years ago. We've won one cup in 30 years. So the 'accepting' 7th comes from being pretty shit for the vast majority of the last 30 odd years. I could walk into a room full of rich fuckers and pretend I drive a Ferrari. But at some point I have to accept the reality of where I am...(I only don't drive a Ferrari because the roads in Cumbria are shit ). I'm not talking about 7th place from 16th. I'm talking about 7th place from a team that's won leagues. the culture of our club will never be right when we have people who actually say "good season" for top half finishes. you can be quietly content that you are moving in the right direction but only if you know that measures and actions are being taken to get the next level. I've witnessed the decline and how we got there. Acceptance of average is the problem Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 25 minutes ago, Hafnia said: I'm not talking about 7th place from 16th. I'm talking about 7th place from a team that's won leagues. the culture of our club will never be right when we have people who actually say "good season" for top half finishes. you can be quietly content that you are moving in the right direction but only if you know that measures and actions are being taken to get the next level. I've witnessed the decline and how we got there. Acceptance of average is the problem Again, it's not about acceptance of average, average to poor is just the reality after many many cock ups. Newty82, Romey 1878 and RuffRob 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romey 1878 Posted April 17 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 17 It's not acceptance of average at all, it's realising that reality is reality. And the reality is for us that we're pretty shit and that it's going to take a long time to improve to the extent that we challenge for anything remotely looking like success. We're nowhere near chasing success currently but what I want us to chase is progress. That means finishing at least one place further up the league every season, possibly getting through to a further round in each cup (possibly because knock-out competitions are hard thing to get through). What it doesn't mean is getting irate because the team isn't challenging for titles/cups all because we won a league in 1987. Times change. You have to realise where you currently are and where you want to get to. But it takes time and you need to have a bit of perspective. Now, that does not mean that I don't want to get back to what we once were. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum means a hell of a lot to me, I have it tattooed on my skin. Nothing but the best is good enough is a fantastic motto to follow and we absolutely should live by it, but 'the best' doesn't really mean actually being the best of all. It means being the best you can be and the best we can be is not the best of all. We need to learn to walk again before we can run. London Blue, RuffRob, Matt and 5 others 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 Patience will be a virtue but until all the uncertainty that hangs over the club is settled once and for all disaffection inevitably creeps in. This second half of this season is far worse than the previous two when there was a real sense of togetherness between the team and fans. I don't feel that so much now especially when it's clear that too many players aren't putting in a shift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 7 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: It's not acceptance of average at all, it's realising that reality is reality. And the reality is for us that we're pretty shit and that it's going to take a long time to improve to the extent that we challenge for anything remotely looking like success. We're nowhere near chasing success currently but what I want us to chase is progress. That means finishing at least one place further up the league every season, possibly getting through to a further round in each cup (possibly because knock-out competitions are hard thing to get through). What it doesn't mean is getting irate because the team isn't challenging for titles/cups all because we won a league in 1987. Times change. You have to realise where you currently are and where you want to get to. But it takes time and you need to have a bit of perspective. Now, that does not mean that I don't want to get back to what we once were. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum means a hell of a lot to me, I have it tattooed on my skin. Nothing but the best is good enough is a fantastic motto to follow and we absolutely should live by it, but 'the best' doesn't really mean actually being the best of all. It means being the best you can be and the best we can be is not the best of all. We need to learn to walk again before we can run. I wasn't talking about now on in. I was talking about how people allowed standards to drop from when we were up there.... people downplaying expectations. "Penknives to gunfights". "7th place is great for a club like Everton" - fans should never allow that. the reality is we won't be anywhere near the top for a while now cos the club has been destroyed from within whilst people called protestors kopites. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 7 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: It's not acceptance of average at all, it's realising that reality is reality. And the reality is for us that we're pretty shit and that it's going to take a long time to improve to the extent that we challenge for anything remotely looking like success. We're nowhere near chasing success currently but what I want us to chase is progress. That means finishing at least one place further up the league every season, possibly getting through to a further round in each cup (possibly because knock-out competitions are hard thing to get through). What it doesn't mean is getting irate because the team isn't challenging for titles/cups all because we won a league in 1987. Times change. You have to realise where you currently are and where you want to get to. But it takes time and you need to have a bit of perspective. Now, that does not mean that I don't want to get back to what we once were. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum means a hell of a lot to me, I have it tattooed on my skin. Nothing but the best is good enough is a fantastic motto to follow and we absolutely should live by it, but 'the best' doesn't really mean actually being the best of all. It means being the best you can be and the best we can be is not the best of all. We need to learn to walk again before we can run. 4 hours ago, Gwlad said: Patience will be a virtue but until all the uncertainty that hangs over the club is settled once and for all disaffection inevitably creeps in. This second half of this season is far worse than the previous two when there was a real sense of togetherness between the team and fans. I don't feel that so much now especially when it's clear that too many players aren't putting in a shift. I accept all that you both have said, but what I can’t accept is the brand of football the players are being asked to play, whether they work hard or not it doesn’t disguise the fact that we are playing football using the tactics of a team from the amateur leagues. We can all get nostalgic about Everton the badge the motto and what the team means to us, that’s deep rooted in our hearts soul and psyche and a given, yet one of most deep rooted traditions is how we like to see our teams trying to play football and that hasn’t been mentioned. Have you considered that the fans are struggling to get behind the team because they are struggling with what’s being put in front of them, because I am I will be honest as much as I’m trying to get behind the team what I’m seeing in the way tactics and team selection is making it very hard. The club I have loved and supported for 57 years is being destroyed by a shite owner and imo a manager who is completely inept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 52 minutes ago, Palfy said: The club I have loved and supported for 57 years is being destroyed by a shite owner and imo a manager who is completely inept. 57 years, me too Palfy. It's aged me, I am now 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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