Peter H Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Why cant people discuss opinions without personal attacks? You don't have to agree. Most seem not to agree with me in regards to Pienaar. (and a lot of other things.) I don't get mad about it. Matt and Steve_E 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Why cant people discuss opinions without personal attacks? You don't have to agree. Most seem not to agree with me in regards to Pienaar. (and a lot of other things.) I don't get mad about it. Avin's been doing it for years but unfortunatly nothing has ever been done about it. Had it been happening on other forums with stricter staff members he would have been banned long ago. As I said earlier, I'm not entertaining him, he's entertaining enough on his own. If he wants to go around the forum attempting to get bites from everyone on here then so be it, it's dragging the place down though. Back in the day this was a brilliant forum. Avinalaff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodisonRoad Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Hence my lucky manager comment. We don't have the players to play Ole football on a consistent basis. Once Martinez brings in players for that style he might get closer to where he wants to be. At the moment we are scraping results. To those who look at our results on match of the day or in the newspaper, our points tally may suggest we are playing well, but for those of us who watch every game we are hit or miss. 10 games in and not a single convincing performance over 90 minutes. We need a better squad, so the likes of Osman and Mirallas have real pressure to perform. I see us passing the ball about ok when things are going well for us, but a few bad passes and our arses twitch, and when we are pressed we can't play the passing game under pressure. Tactician wise, we play the same players every week, be it from the start, or as a sub, so not sure that shows much use of our squad. The same guys are getting taken off, yet they start again the following week. Mirallas has been subbed 7 times this season, yet still starts every game. I'd like Martinez to explain that one, as I remember fans used to slate Moyes for having his favourites. We are ten games in and have kept the fourth most clean sheets In the league so we can't have been all that terrible. As for lucky, could you not have said the same for spurs this season? £90m spent and they have relied on some very dubious penalty desicions to get 3 points on more than one occasion this season. But they, like us, are adapting to a new style of football. It's going to take time for us to get to grips with this new passing style, it was never going to happen over 10 games. But considering where we are and we are playing a completely different style, we deserve a lot of credit IMO. Performances have been hit and miss, I agree but it will take atleast another 1-2 transfer windows for Martinez to bring in players that can play the way he wants. The current crop of players aren't used to it, but they aren't doing too badly at the moment. Not sure how you say the same 11 play every week when over the last 2 games at least, pienaar has forced his way back in and so has Osman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hafnia Posted November 4, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Martinez has been anything but lucky, yesterday was another example of a referee costing us, the penalty that never was to be added to the baines one against cardiff and the man city one given with us denied... Give martinez his dues, yesterday he made perfect substitutions at the right time which changed the game for the better. He has utilised that squad well and I think Mirallas will be 'rested' against palace and Gerry will get his big chance. I don't understand how we can be comparing Martinez to Moyes, there is a day and night difference. Moyes has inherited a championship winning team, spent £27m on one player and missed the opportunity to sign the players he should have gone for... this season he has taken a title winning team and made them look distinctly mid table. His old traits such as negative subs are a common theme with united fans fearing they have completely the wrong man in charge. He is at another club now and I am pleased - simple as that. Martinez may have things to learn about this everton squad but I am seeing evidence that he is doing that. He is making good decisions based on what he is seeing, his transfer dealings have been very good, getting McCarthy, Barry, Lukaku and we will see how Kone and Alcaraz fare when they are fit. Lets put it this way a bad day at the office seen us draw against a very good side.... we finished that game pushing for the winner - under Moyes I fear we would have been hoofing it and trying to hang on for a point. This isn't a Martinez v Moyes debate, but unfortunately posts have been made which need to be addressed. We are looking a better outfit now than we did last season, teams know we are going to have a go at them, and not try and "hold on" to 1-0 leads. In all honesty if Martinez was "lucky" then we would have beaten Cardiff with a penalty, Norwich wouldn't have scored a freak goal, we would have drawn against City and nicked a penalty against Spurs = 7 extra points = Top of the league. MikeO, JoeQuince, Pearso and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Avin's been doing it for years but unfortunatly nothing has ever been done about it. Had it been happening on other forums with stricter staff members he would have been banned long ago. As I said earlier, I'm not entertaining him, he's entertaining enough on his own. If he wants to go around the forum attempting to get bites from everyone on here then so be it, it's dragging the place down though. Back in the day this was a brilliant forum. Sure but it takes two to tango. I'm not a saint on here either. No-one is but we are all Evertonians. And we are all entitled to our opinion. You are right though Zoo, all the arguing is dragging this place down. (i'm not pointing at you though, in fact I'm not pointing fingers at anyone.) I do miss the "every cloud has a silver lining" Avin though. Used to be such a positive fella. Avinalaff and evilweevil666 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Sure but it takes two to tango. I'm not a saint on here either. No-one is but we are all Evertonians. And we are all entitled to our opinion. You are right though Zoo, all the arguing is dragging this place down. (i'm not pointing at you though, in fact I'm not pointing fingers at anyone.) I do miss the "every cloud has a silver lining" Avin though. Used to be such a positive fella. I'm a positive fella now we have a positive manager! Rowing is inevitable when debating from time to time, people just need to stop taking things personally, we are all passionate blues here. I feel the Moyes vs Martinez debate is one that will pop its head up from time to time on here so lets try and stick to facts - there are plenty around to make a tangible appraisal, at this moment the simple one is... "Everton are higher in the league than Man United" Now you can take that statement and try and put some context around it, my context will be that United haven't beaten any sides in the top half of the table - we have beaten 2. We have lost just 1 game against a very good Man City side, they have lost 3 and were lucky to get the win against Stoke. Cant wait to play them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Why cant people discuss opinions without personal attacks? You don't have to agree. Most seem not to agree with me in regards to Pienaar. (and a lot of other things.) I don't get mad about it. You're right. You took my comment about Pienaar with good grace. Thank you..... ...Surprisingly affable guy for someone with no footballing sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Avin's been doing it for years but unfortunatly nothing has ever been done about it. Had it been happening on other forums with stricter staff members he would have been banned long ago. As I said earlier, I'm not entertaining him, he's entertaining enough on his own. If he wants to go around the forum attempting to get bites from everyone on here then so be it, it's dragging the place down though. Back in the day this was a brilliant forum. You're out of line pal. My opinion is that we look more like Wigan than Everton. If you don't agree, then fine, but who do you think you are constantly dishing out verbal attacks? Karma is a bitch mate, so you might want to keep your nasty comments to yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Apparently because I have my own site Zoo can say what he wants according to the mods, so fire away zoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcirony Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Why cant people discuss opinions without personal attacks? You don't have to agree. Most seem not to agree with me in regards to Pienaar. (and a lot of other things.) I don't get mad about it. Hallelujah. This is the reason I rarely post on here anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Hallelujah. This is the reason I rarely post on here anymore. Good....I never liked you anyway :shaking fist:. Pearso, Matt and Sibdane 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcirony Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Good....I never liked you anyway :shaking fist:. Right that's final straw! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Right that's final straw! Love you really . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 ...Surprisingly affable guy for someone with no footballing sense. Well, I have to play to my strengths, clearly football isnt one. Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Well, I have to play to my strengths, clearly football isnt one. Haha Stick to songwriting you Swedish.....er....Swede . http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24774810 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Ferguson has been a hugely successful manager, but for all his success, he has only managed one Prem team, who just so happened to be the richest Prem club for most of that time, so we won't know if he would have done anything at another club, especially a poor one like Everton. My guess is that Moyes will have success at United given time. He needs to know his players and how to use them. Saf had 26 years of adding to what he already knew, so it's fair to say Moyes will struggle at first, or anybody else. Let's see how Moyes and indeed Bobby are doing once the 25 players are of their choosing, as at the moment, Martinez is using Moyes' players, and Moyes is using Fergies. Barry,McCarthy,lukaku all started that's nearly a third of the first eleven. So they are not all moyes players. I think after ten games we couldn't have expected any more. Yes we aren't firing on all cylinders but we are still learning. Can't be doing with all this bollocks that avin is chatting Avinalaff and Zoo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Barry,McCarthy,lukaku all started that's nearly a third of the first eleven. So they are not all moyes players. I think after ten games we couldn't have expected any more. Yes we aren't firing on all cylinders but we are still learning. Can't be doing with all this bollocks that avin is chatting Was there any need for the last line? :dont know: Where did I say 'ALL' ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Stick to songwriting you Swedish.....er....Swede . http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24774810 Shame i cant see that vid in sweden. Would have liked to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Was there any need for the last line? :dont know: Where did I say 'ALL' ? Is there any need for your verbal insults around the forum? Don't give out insults and you probably won't get them back. As you said yourself, karma is a bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I wonder how many people Avin has on ignore, must be hardly any other posters in Avins world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Who did we play again? Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Who did we play again? Millwall. Everyone hates them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 I wonder how many people Avin has on ignore, must be hardly any other posters in Avins world. Avinalaff's Ignore List: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Amongst all the arguing, I made quite a valid point about the lack of atmosphere at GP...is it a sunday thing? Fans expecting too much? What u reckon it is? Also, as its 'Movember', hows about ToffeeTalk organise a charity boxing match? All proceeds to testicular cancer. The boxers? None other than Zoo n Avin'. Of course, they'd have gloves on so the usual hair pulling and cat scratching will have to be replaced with more manly behaviour. Hey, heres a wee story from sunday...on one of our bus pick ups on the way down, a bloke got on who had been living it up all weekend, looked a bit knackered to be fair. Anyway, said bloke took a seat in front of us once at GP. Looked down at his balding crown, and there was a big red cock drawn on there!!! should have seen him tryna rub it off!!! Made me laugh anyway..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Nope. Not joking at all. Some fans are easily pleased by the fact we are doing ok (7th) points wise, but we have to take the blinkers off and look at things honestly. Yes, we are picking points up, but our performances have been well below the standard that we were playing under Moyes. Take Lukaku away, and what have we done? Add Lukaku to Moyes team and we would have pushed that top 4. Not good enough by a long way, and those that think it's acceptable are letting themselves down. You really must have been watching a different Everton under Moyes. Yes we had our moments but we had far too many games like the first half yesterday against poor sides and lost. We were really poor first half because the players came out day dreaming but we absolutely bossed the 2nd half and Spurs didnt really have a touch until the last 10 minutes. We didnt create too many chances but we did get into goal scoring/creating positions without being able to click. That last sentence is laughable argument too. Take away Cahill from Moyes' earlier sides and what do you have? Whatever it is, its irrelevant because Moyes didnt sign Lukaku and Martinez did. I think the point is that despite not performing at our best consistently we've still done well for ourselves. No one is under any illusions that we're playing brilliantly all of the time, but most understand that it will take some time until we reach the point where we're totally satisfied and are focusing on the positives. I thought that would be something you would be fully behind tbh, Avin, as you're usually someone who looks on the bright side. Exactly Romey. We are 10 games in and we are slowly but surely finding our feet. We probably started better than we expected (or we did in my eyes anyway) and I think expectations have risen somewhat. Hence my lucky manager comment. We don't have the players to play Ole football on a consistent basis. Once Martinez brings in players for that style he might get closer to where he wants to be. At the moment we are scraping results. To those who look at our results on match of the day or in the newspaper, our points tally may suggest we are playing well, but for those of us who watch every game we are hit or miss. 10 games in and not a single convincing performance over 90 minutes. We need a better squad, so the likes of Osman and Mirallas have real pressure to perform. I see us passing the ball about ok when things are going well for us, but a few bad passes and our arses twitch, and when we are pressed we can't play the passing game under pressure. Tactician wise, we play the same players every week, be it from the start, or as a sub, so not sure that shows much use of our squad. The same guys are getting taken off, yet they start again the following week. Mirallas has been subbed 7 times this season, yet still starts every game. I'd like Martinez to explain that one, as I remember fans used to slate Moyes for having his favourites. You say scraping results like its a bad thing. We arent as consistent as I would like by any stretch but that will come in time. We are playing well for periods of time and my main bug bear is that we havent been able to put 90minutes together but you say that as if we used to under Moyes. He was here for over 10 years yet couldnt manage it and you are now starting to write off Martinez who for getting to the same level in 6 months. I think we have mixed it up more in these 10 games than Moyes did for the whole of last season. We have moved to 3 at the back at times, two deeper midfielders to one deeper and we have also moved from possession play to counter attacking play. Players wise we have also mixed it up. Barkley was dropped for yesterdays game, Naismith has been in and out, the midfield 3 have changed too. Its difficult to replace Mirallas because we need someone to take on defenders and provide pace. Apart from the young Spanish lad we dont have anyone else who can really replace him. Dont forget Mirallas chalked up an assist in the last game as well. The worst one for me is Coleman, because he has been dreadful so far for the majority of this season and I would seriously consider sticking Stones back there. I love the way everyone was not expecting anything this season due to transitions.... Ten games later we are giving down the banks to a team that is be point off second place.....get a grip lads!.... People say we are lucky. Please tell me again what happened in this fixture last year...... I think some people would be happy with us playing like barca and bottom of the league.... We ride our luck like the red shite have for years... About time too. Exactly! My opinion is that we look more like Wigan than Everton. How many Wigan games have you watched over the last couple of years btw? Im guessing not many... Anyway back to the game. As has already been said, very poor first half as we werent at the races whatsoever, despite that though we didnt exactly look like we were going to concede. However the second half we really did boss them and whilst our decision making again wasnt the greatest, we did work some nice opportunities and both Barry and McCarthy really stepped up. The latter became more of a force as he was allowed to break forward and get involved with the play where he almost set up Lukaku. Barkley and Deulofeu coming on gave us some extra impetus and it was nice to see the former being committed to his decisions and taking things on earlier instead of hesitating. The skill from Deulofeu to skin 5 of the Spurs players and bare down on Lloris was sublime and its things like that which should give Mirallas and Pienaar a kick up the arse, because neither were great and Pienaar especially was terribly wasteful all game. As I mentioned above, Coleman again was poor. Defensively he was clumsy and in attack he kept making poor decisions which is a shame because I really like the lad and he can be excellent but he is another that is struggling to keep his place in the team. Overall a point each was the fair result but I just hope that we can start playing like we did in that second half for the 90minutes. Zoo and pete0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Good post Bailey Can't remember any clear cut chances for Spurs to be honest, even though we were so poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) the only time i got worried was that cross near the end(eriksen i think it was). other than that they never really worried me Edited November 5, 2013 by marcopaulo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Dunno if you have seen this yet but its a great image from the game. Spot the clever supporter. (although he is pretty highlighted by the arrow) Sibdane, Romey 1878 and Steve_E 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Agent Smith is an Evertonian?! Peter H and Pearso 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) http://www.itv.com/sport/football/article/2013-11-04/sylvain-distin-sees-signs-of-progress-at-everton-after-goalless-draw-against-spurs/ not sure if this has been posted already? Edited November 5, 2013 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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