Newty82 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Just a quick one, over this whole none issue of a debate. As we have scored the most goals in the Premier League from open play, and if we had any pens Rom would be taking them anyway. And we've conceded way too many goals so far, I've got to ask, if Kev played would we have; a ) scored even more goals than every other team in the premier league? b ) conceded less goals than we have already? We definately wouldn't concede less. Mirallas wouldn't make any difference back there. In terms of scoring more...its impossible to say. But between Kone, Barkley, Geri and Lukaku there are 28 league goals and 23 league assists. So it's easy to see why he has had to wait his turn. That attacking quartet clearly works. He'll get his chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Really? Kone has cost us goals and Kev wouldn't have? If he would have played instead of Kone I've got to assume he would have scored and assisted more than Kone too? Don't get me wrong, I'm no Kone fan, but I really don't see any reason to complain about our attacking players. Defence yeah, but our forwards have done a better job than anyone else in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Steve0 , who on the lame Everton left hand side of the pitch "have done a better job than anyone else in the league"? Since when is leaky defense the responsibility of a winger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 I'm not saying the leaky defence is the fault of the winger. The point I'm making is that we have done so well going forward that I don't understand anyones problem with wanting a different forward to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 I'm not saying the leaky defence is the fault of the winger. The point I'm making is that we have done so well going forward that I don't understand anyones problem with wanting a different forward to play.this for me, but there's a good argument for having Kev come on when Konw is knackered and I think that's the source of the frustration. It's bad man and squad management to both ignore a pacy and attacking player when Kone is goosed after half the game. This in turn makes people turn, for want of a better phrase, on Kone because he's not able to perform at a decent standard for long enough. Kone has had quite a good season so far and his poorer performances could be addressed by giving him time to recover durin games, especially durin such a busy period, whilst giving Kev a chance to make his mark Sideliner and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Pienaar Osman Kone Cleverley All ahead of him for the LM position. This is getting ridiculous. Sell the lad for his and every sane fans sake. I genuinely believe Martinez is trying to ruin his chances of going the Euro's. There is absolutely no reason for this to be going on for so long. why oh why are we hanging on to a £10m+ winger who the manager clearly doesn't want to use. I don't know how long it's going to take some insane fans to work out this is deeper than footballing reason. Martinez FUCK OFF. And sell him if you're not going to use him. Edited January 14, 2016 by MC11 Sideliner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 ^ pretty much agree with this. Its so fucking weird - I really have no idea what is going on there. Did Kev bang RM's wife or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Got to be personal or application based. The argument can't be ability based. Sideliner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 could it just be that no one is interested in him. Could be but that's highly doubtful as if there was no resale value. We wouldn't have offered him a new contract.... If we put him up for sale he'd be gone in no time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Lets put a for sale sign on his back for the Chelsea game markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Pienaar Osman Kone Cleverley All ahead of him for the LM position. This is getting ridiculous. Sell the lad for his and every sane fans sake. I genuinely believe Martinez is trying to ruin his chances of going the Euro's. There is absolutely no reason for this to be going on for so long. why oh why are we hanging on to a £10m+ winger who the manager clearly doesn't want to use. I don't know how long it's going to take some insane fans to work out this is deeper than footballing reason. Martinez FUCK OFF. And sell him if you're not going to use him. Got to be honest and say that as I was watching last night and seen Kone and Pienaar coming on, and Ozzie starting...I did think 'WTF'? I do now find it bizarre. Very bizarre. As far as sanity goes, I do fear for yours if both Mirrallas and Gibson go. You'll go the same way as Paddock!!! Sideliner and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Ossie and Pienaar are "keep ball" players, Kev is much more gung-ho and prone to mistakes as well as moments of magic. Made sense yesterday, as frustrating as it was to watch. I really hope the rumours of Pienaar going to Ajax are true, diving little git. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Got to be honest and say that as I was watching last night and seen Kone and Pienaar coming on, and Ozzie starting...I did think 'WTF'? I do now find it bizarre. Very bizarre. As far as sanity goes, I do fear for yours if both Mirrallas and Gibson go. You'll go the same way as Paddock!!! Hahaha, I've come close. I've all but given up hope on both now. Not too bothered either way now but Mirallas needs to be sold. The new poster boy is Mori for me. Awesome player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Ossie and Pienaar are "keep ball" players, Kev is much more gung-ho and prone to mistakes as well as moments of magic. Made sense yesterday, as frustrating as it was to watch. I really hope the rumours of Pienaar going to Ajax are true, diving little git. Thought the same. We couldn't keep the ball at all. Within seconds of being on Peanuts held the ball and got fouled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 If we played for a draw from the start Mirallas might be seen as surplus - but being 11th on the table i thought we might be a little more adventurous than "speedy" Uncle Osman on the left wing - we had our chances in the first half but we are still too timid to be daring like Leicester - playing Osman on the left wing is a tell tale sign of a mid table team playing for a draw because they are happy where they are - Mirallas must be mentally very tough to be excluded game after game while a has been, like Uncle Osman gets a start ahead of him and a striker Kone is second choice - that puts him in a dismal and distant third choice left wing - what a joke - sell him now please Martinez before he rusts to bits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Since 2012/13 season Mirallas has scored 24 goals in 5912 minutes for Everton in PL - more than Sterling , Navas , Silva, Ozil , Ramsy, Cazola, Willian, Oscar, Fellaini, Eriksen, Dembele (3) , Coutinho for their respective sdes - but who is the benchwarmer in an Everton side languishing in the bottom half of the table at the moment struggling to get more than just another draw - ? Mirallas with" bad attitude " - Mr Martinez must stop managing our second most prolific goalscorer by far into obscurity. In the same period the following Everton players scored as follows: Osman - 13 goals in 6725 min Pienaar - 7 goals in 5016 min Kone - 17 goals in 4836 min (including last season at Wigan) Barkley - 14 goals in 6294 min Deulefeu - 5 goals in 1945 min Cleverly - 7 goals in 6442 min (including M/United games) Statistics is not everything but these facts are glaring to say the least duncanmckenzieismagic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I'm pro Mirallas and not yet convinced by Martinez, but languishing in the bottom half of the table struggling to get another draw is a little big extreme. Let's just hope he starts today. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I'm pro Mirallas and not yet convinced by Martinez, but languishing in the bottom half of the table struggling to get another draw is a little big extreme. Let's just hope he starts today. I agree , yes we are languishing in the bottom half of the table but we definitely dot struggle to get draws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 read carefully guys - i said : "struggling to get MORE than just another draw" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Pretty damning stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 read carefully guys - i said : "struggling to get MORE than just another draw"This isn't a Steve Avery trial, you can't go changing you're statement after the fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) read carefully guys - i said : "struggling to get MORE than just another draw" It's that "edited by" gets everyone all the time!.. Edited January 16, 2016 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I see there's no comments regarding Mirallas being a key player. Doesn't suit agenda. I must be blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 read carefully again - that post was never edited - the egg remains firmly on your face come on chaps don't clutch at straws - show me where my arguments are weak or facts are wrong - technicalities belong in a Steve Aviary trial - not a forum debate - the only change in my quote was to put MORE in capital letters to assist you guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 what he says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Mirallas should be a key player however Bobby chooses not to utilise him Edited January 16, 2016 by duncanmckenzieismagic Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Starting today...that doesn't suit the agenda either!!! Hope he has a blinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Starting today...that doesn't suit the agenda either!!! Hope he has a blinder. He's played well first half at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Back to his best today. He needs to start regularly now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Showed today that he should get more minutes for us. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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