Bailey Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 He doesn't really have a position. I think he should be played like Pienaar was under Moyes. Maybe Sunderland will go after him?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 He's not good enough for what we're trying to achieve. He's a bottom half team player which is part of the reason we've finished 11th 2 years running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 It makes me happy that he's potentially going, then worries me we won't bring in a replacement, if Schneiderlin doesn't come in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 He doesn't really have a position. I think he should be played like Pienaar was under Moyes. Maybe Sunderland will go after him?!i agree. Hes very underrated in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shy_Talk Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 If he's allowed to move on, do we have another player that's capable of filling in across the midfield, I suppose Oviedo covers the left flank at a push and Lennon does similar on the right, highlights the need for that extra quality in the middle so that Davies can be used to spare him, Barry can be rotated, McCarthy reintroduced to build fitness, and Barkley not left out on a limb. With Gueye on international duty, I can't see us offloading Cleverly without a midfielder actually signed to bolster the ranks centrally first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 I would think ledson dowell one of the youngsters could be "cover", sell clev and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Ledston has gone hasn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Ledston has gone hasn't he? Yeah, we let Ledson go in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Yeah, we let Ledson go in the summer. lol. who do we have at centre mid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Gibson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Gibson. any other youngsters besides davies and dowell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 No other youngster besides Davies. Young players very rarely make it, less than 5% was the last stat I read. If one player breaks through in a season that bucks the trend. Don't expect a second. So this season Holgate and Davies, DCL was bought in so should be expected. You won't see another, add to that central midfield and central defence being higher pressure positions, won't happen. Maybe I'm just negative again. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 No other youngster besides Davies. Young players very rarely make it, less than 5% was the last stat I read. If one player breaks through in a season that bucks the trend. Don't expect a second. So this season Holgate and Davies, DCL was bought in so should be expected. You won't see another, add to that central midfield and central defence being higher pressure positions, won't happen. Maybe I'm just negative again. makes complete sense steve, I don't keep up with who's the standouts of the youngsters so I'm not in the know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Joe Williams is highly thought of but I think he's injured atm. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 I think Liam Walsh is highly thought of too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Koeman has said there's plenty more to come from our Under 23s as well. Stark contrast to his thoughts about Southampton's academy players. nutmegwolf203 and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Koeman has said there's plenty more to come from our Under 23s as well. Stark contrast to his thoughts about Southampton's academy players. I've got to read up on that, I thought Soton's academy was highly regarded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 I've got to read up on that, I thought Soton's academy was highly regarded? It is by most but he was pretty scathing about the quality of the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 It is by most but he was pretty scathing about the quality of the players. Good at polishing turds then, although they have produced some quality players over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Here is one of the articles http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3391539/Ronald-Koeman-blasts-Southampton-academy-recent-21-fixture-leaves-unimpressed.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Apparently it was one of the big disagreements between Koeman and Les Reed at Soton which eventually led to him coming here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 I think against Leicester we should play the same formation as we played against Southampton and replace Gana with Cleverley, instead of taking backwards step and going with Barry when we know before he starts he's going to struggle, Cleverley is more mobile than Barry and if he doesn't cut the mustard at least it will answer the question whether to let go out on loan or keep him as backup. I know most think he's wank and I'm no fan of his, and l have great respect for Barry he's done magnificent for this club but unfortunately he is starting to hurt us when he plays, and you never know he might surpass our expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 I think against Leicester we should play the same formation as we played against Southampton and replace Gana with Cleverley, instead of taking backwards step and going with Barry when we know before he starts he's going to struggle, Cleverley is more mobile than Barry and if he doesn't cut the mustard at least it will answer the question whether to let go out on loan or keep him as backup. I know most think he's wank and I'm no fan of his, and l have great respect for Barry he's done magnificent for this club but unfortunately he is starting to hurt us when he plays, and you never know he might surpass our expectations. Cleverley doesn't need minutes. Put Davies and Barkley in deep midfield, Mirallas and Deulofeu on the side, and play Valencia just behind Lukaku with 4 at the back. Cleverley needs a transfer to League 1. London Blue and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Cleverley doesn't need minutes. Put Davies and Barkley in deep midfield, Mirallas and Deulofeu on the side, and play Valencia just behind Lukaku with 4 at the back. Cleverley needs a transfer to League 1. even I don't think he's that bad! nyblue23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Cleverley doesn't need minutes. Put Davies and Barkley in deep midfield, Mirallas and Deulofeu on the side, and play Valencia just behind Lukaku with 4 at the back. Cleverley needs a transfer to League 1. Good shout this markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Cleverley doesn't need minutes. Put Davies and Barkley in deep midfield, Mirallas and Deulofeu on the side, and play Valencia just behind Lukaku with 4 at the back. Cleverley needs a transfer to League 1.I would go a long with that if it kept Barry out from starting, but Koeman is more than likely going to try and play the same formation as he did against Southampton and replace Gana with Barry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 I would go a long with that if it kept Barry out from starting, but Koeman is more than likely going to try and play the same formation as he did against Southampton and replace Gana with Barry. I agree that it won't happen, but Christ I wish it would. Think Davies has the capability to play that Barry sweeper role but with more pace and drive to get forward. It would force Barkley to track back more than he probably ever will, but I've finally been won over that his best role is playing deeper and being able to drive in space, and now that he has that little bit of confidence from his good play in the past two matches, I think he might take advantage of that space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) even I don't think he's that bad! He drives me insane. Honestly, watching a bunch of videos of Charlton play today in order to get a preview of Lookman, I think Cleverley might be a replacement-level player in the Championship and an asset in League One, as his only real skill is maintaining possession with sideways and backward passes. Edited January 6, 2017 by nyblue23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 11, 2017 Report Share Posted January 11, 2017 http://www.espnfc.us/story/3036751/watford-in-talks-with-everton-over-tom-cleverley-loan-sources Watford loan being talked about now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 ?? I'm a bit giddy this window, if all the rumours are true, all the mediocre shite Martinez brought in is being launched. Hopefully to be replaced with better. markjazzbassist, Lowensda and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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