markjazzbassist Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Both Cleverley and Pienaar played tonight for the under 21s both looked ok pienaar played 45 min Cleverley 60 mins thanks patto, wow pienaar back from the dead. glad to hear cleverley back to 60 min. we will need him his is pienaar 2.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 pienaar was excellent but still lacking premier pace. I'd rather have premier brain than premier pace, but I take your point. No idea a how effective he'll be if/when he comes back. markjazzbassist and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Our playing style wasn't too bad against Chelsea or Swansea was it? Granted, it was terrible in our last two games but if our playing style is reliant on Tom Cleverley then it's a bit worrying! I have no problem with us playing only one winger really, but when it's not working, as it wasn't against United, why can't we change it up with the substitution? Why do we have to persist with playing a square peg in a round hole and keep things exactly the same way that wasn't working in the first place? It's frustrating the life out of me! Déjà vu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Déjà vu? Yep! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Me neither. Only if 1) The winger isn't greedy, actually moves to create space for the FB and links up passing 2) if he tracks back. If thats the case, I'm all for it, because as you say, it's the link up thats the most important. Or the full backs play with some common sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Or the full backs play with some common sense It's only the wingers that are at fault for anything going wrong! :shaking fist: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 It's only the wingers that are at fault for anything going wrong! :shaking fist: Don't think anyone has made anywhere near a statement like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Don't think anyone has made anywhere near a statement like that! It was a joke. A piss take. The wingers must do this, the wingers must do that, but we never mention what the full-backs must do so that the wingers can do their job as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 It was a joke. A piss take. The wingers must do this, the wingers must do that, but we never mention what the full-backs must do so that the wingers can do their job as well. I was well aware, just being a pain in the ass. It's a good point, I've not gone into the FB responsibilities, but I thought that was already clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 I was well aware, just being a pain in the ass. Really? I couldn't tell . Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Drop Barry for Cleverly and have McCarthy as the holding midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Drop Barry for Cleverly and have McCarthy as the holding midfielder.why would anyone drop Barry over McCarthy at the moment? Btay and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 why would anyone drop Barry over McCarthy at the moment? agreed mccarthy needs a rest and a benching. barry has been solid this year. i would like to see besic over mccarthy if we stick with 2 sitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 why would anyone drop Barry over McCarthy at the moment? Have to agree, McCarthy hasn't looked the same player since he signed his new contract Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Glad I'm not only one off McCarthy this season. I think with Tom or Besic in his spot, we lose that energy and work rate but gain so much more on the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Glad I'm not only one off McCarthy this season. I think with Tom or Besic in his spot, we lose that energy and work rate but gain so much more on the ball. Not sure we lose much in work rate with the players you mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 I have a bad feeling cleverley has had a reaction it's 2 weeks now something seems not right. Its not a case of no news is good news I'm sure of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/evertons-tom-cleverley-admits-faces-10421117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/evertons-tom-cleverley-admits-faces-10421117 Great attitude definite addition to the squad this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 With McCarthy being as effective as a chocolate tea pot in recent months, look forward to Tom coming back in. See what a Barry, Clevs and Barkley 3 can do. Much more forward thinking i'm guessing. Jame's engine won't be missed, because Tom can compete with grass covered, it'll be his tackling (aha) that's missed. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 With McCarthy being as effective as a chocolate tea pot in recent months, look forward to Tom coming back in. See what a Barry, Clevs and Barkley 3 can do. Much more forward thinking i'm guessing. Jame's engine won't be missed, because Tom can compete with grass covered, it'll be his tackling (aha) that's missed. Except it won't happen like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 With McCarthy being as effective as a chocolate tea pot in recent months, look forward to Tom coming back in. See what a Barry, Clevs and Barkley 3 can do. Much more forward thinking i'm guessing. Jame's engine won't be missed, because Tom can compete with grass covered, it'll be his tackling (aha) that's missed. spot on, also we won't miss mccarthy's yellow cards. Except it won't happen like. also spot on. mccarthy is the class favorite. unless we sell he and barry will play every match till they leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I think he gives us much needed balance when he plays from the left just as the likes of Pienaar, Osman and Arteta had for years. I'd give him a lot more opportunities there - excellent again last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I think he gives us much needed balance when he plays from the left just as the likes of Pienaar, Osman and Arteta had for years. I'd give him a lot more opportunities there - excellent again last night. Looked closer to the important player he'd become before missing a spell injured. He was a terrier last night; snapping at the Newcastle players, and his passing was crisp. I would have thought his opportunities on the left would be quite limited now we've brought Niasse in. I'd have Mirallas there ahead of him too, and Besic, Barry and McCarthy ahead of him in central midfield. Honestly? If we don't get a European place for next season I don't know how many games he'd play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Looked closer to the important player he'd become before missing a spell injured. He was a terrier last night; snapping at the Newcastle players, and his passing was crisp. I would have thought his opportunities on the left would be quite limited now we've brought Niasse in. I'd have Mirallas there ahead of him too, and Besic, Barry and McCarthy ahead of him in central midfield. Honestly? If we don't get a European place for next season I don't know how many games he'd play. Early Everton career, he was class. I agree about the whole left side thing, however I do think Kevin's off in the summer, so it's only really Niasse in front of him. But I suppose it's his versatility that Roberto likes, should we find ourselves in a position where we carry multiple injuries in key positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 He was absolutely brilliant. What stuck out for me was his tackling he made some brilliant interceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 He was absolutely brilliant. What stuck out for me was his tackling he made some brilliant interceptions. That's what stuck out most for me too. Him, Barry and McCarthy snuffed numerous attacks out early. It's amazing what closing down gets you. Deacs, Matt and Lowensda 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 That's what stuck out most for me too. Him, Barry and McCarthy snuffed numerous attacks out early. It's amazing what closing down gets you. I didn't understand the negative comments about him at all. Very intelligent footballer, excellent engine, very similar to Gareth Barry. He could nadapt to the DM role IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Can he take all of our corners please? efc1111 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 One of my favourite players, works hard, has a goal in him. Really good footballer. U can tell the other players rate him and trust him Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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