Blue 250 Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Have to admit, didn't think Mirallas did much today, but one inch higher up his leg today and that tackle would have ended his season, and our squad really could do without that, so maybe we had a touch of luck out there.......hey I'm looking for any staw to clutch. Pretty soon teams coming to Goodison will be able to rest their better players ! Other than Coleman getting forward and the odd good bit of work from Ross, we can't create anything. I dread big teams like Stoke and Crystal Palace coming to Goodison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Did we expect anything else? Look, we have to believe we can improve. This team started excellent last season, we were just poor at the back, and in the end that infected our whole game. Biggest problem today? Poor defending, again. Martinez has to address thet, and tbh on the pitch its Jags who needs to step up and show he's a leader. IF we sort it out at the back, Cleverley will improve our tempo, Barkley will be the number 10 and I still think he can be a superstar, Deulefeou will add pace and directness, Kone was a huge bonus today, Lukaku, Mirallas and McCarthy HAVE to play better... I honestly believe that can come good, but only, only if we stop leaking goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Watching the highlights. It's a great point that anytime a team ups the tempo we just cave in and gift them a goal. On the other hand, it certainly looks like we missed a fair few easy chances: the Lukaku and Koné headers spring to mind. What really fucks me off is that these days we always seem to get a newly promoted team at the beginning of the season and we always fuck it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milesey05 Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 Woken up in a shit mood again, another match of the day/ goals on Sunday I can't watch. All to familiar to last season. Only bonus I suppose is we didn't lose....... but Watford at home? I'm hanging on to the hope we make at least 2 new signings this week. Put this performance to bed and move on. I hope I'm not saying this sort of shit after every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oztoffee Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 You could substitute any of last seasons games, change the opposition shirts and you'd never know the difference. Same old, same old.... Is there a book on how long Bobby will be there for? 4-1 gone before Xmas at this rate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romey 1878 Posted August 9, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 I enjoyed this game for perhaps the first 10 minutes. We started positively and confidently. And i was sat there thinking maybe my worries and lack of enthusiasm for this season were misplaced. I was wrong, so very wrong! After those first 10 minutes I fluctuated between rage and frustration for the rest of the game. It was like I'd never had a break for the summer. That first half performance was atrocious (other than the first 10 minutes). There was absolutely no difference to what we had to sit through last season. It was so painfully slow watching us move the ball about, going nowhere. Time after time Jagielka would get the ball and there'd be a pass on further up the field, he'd take another touch and then stop with the ball and either the pass would no longer be on or he'd turn away and go fucking sideways. Then when Jags did get a clue occasionally and give it to a midfielder they wouldn't bother turning with the ball, they'd just send it straight back where it came from! We also had next to nothing through the middle, no oomph there whatsoever. Not fucking surprising when we have two defensive midfielders players without a drop of creativity in them, so everything had to go out wide. But considering we only had one natural wide man and the other, Cleverley, looked like a lost kitten and way off the pace in the first half, and Galloway doesn't add anything attacking-wise, it left us utterly lopsided. So it would've perhaps made sense to only play with one of McCarthy or Barry. It obviously didn't make sense to our tactical genius of a manager though, and he hamstrung us all over the pitch instead. Then, as last season, our movement off the ball was embarrassing. It's hard to believe these are professional footballers who are paid tens of thousands of pounds. Time after time Stones got the ball and had to stop and just held us arms out to the side as if to say "who am I supposed to give the ball to?". When our players weren't standing within a foot of each other doing an impression of the Chuckle Brothers (to me, to you) they were making zero effort to make space for themselves to receive the ball and just standing still next to Watford players. What have we worked on over the summer? Because we looked totally devoid of a plan, no one knew what they were supposed to be doing. In the end it came as no surprise to me when Watford took the lead with what was probably their closest foray to our goal. But, we'd had most of the possession so Martinez wouldn't have been too unhappy. As was the case last season, we actually pushed forward after going behind. Hurrah. I didn't boo the players off at half-time like a lot of the ground did but I can understand why a large portion did. Second half we came out and really put them under pressure. We were on the front foot right from the off and were all over them, creating chances, actually moving the ball forward with a good tempo. But we just couldn't put the ball in the back of the net and I was starting to think it was just going to be one of those days. Fortunately Barkley decided to have a crack from outside the box and hit it so sweetly to get us back in the game. I thought that we'd carry on putting them under pressure and do everything possible to turn around a pretty dire position, but no, we did last season's trick of getting back in the game and then sitting right back. Watford came into the game again and duly went ahead again due to some pretty lacklustre defending (surprise, surprise!). Then, would you believe it, after going behind we decided to start playing positively again and having a go. You could not make this shit up! And again we equalised with a quite brilliant finish from Kone. Once again I thought we'd push for a late winner, but I was left disappointed as true to form we retreated again, seemed happy with a point and resorted to just hoofing the ball anywhere and Watford looked like the side who wanted to win it. The only thing I can see that's changed from last season is that we look fitter. That's it. We still wouldn't know creativity if it danced naked in front of us. We still play with very little to no tempo. We still look porous defensively. Argh. This was me during the game Howard - He really didn't have much to do apart from pick the ball out of his net twice. Coleman - I thought he played like he was hungover in the first half and looked reluctant to even attempt to beat his man. He was one of the worst for just standing by a Watford player, making no attempt to get free.It didn't help that Mirallas gave him no protection when he was on that side (see Watford's first goal), and neither did a very out of sorts Cleverley when they swapped wings. He improved a lot in the second half and looked threatening. But the boy can't cross so it was a bit wasted. Stones - Apart from the obvious I thought he had a solid game. He looked to bring the ball out of defence but often had absolutely nothing to hit. Jagielka - I also thought he mostly had a solid game too. But he had this little spell in the second half where he seemed to completely lose his head and he turned into a schoolboy and fluffed everything. Galloway - Decent enough but I pray that he's not our left back for the whole time Baines is out. He is every inch a CB playing at LB and offers absolutely nothing going forward. And we cannot afford that for the majority of the season. It's unthinkable. Mirallas - I think The Echo have been overly harsh about his performance tbh (saying he was anonymous), particularly his first half showing. In that period I thought he was the only one of our players that thought it might be a good idea to actually attack the opposition and he had a go. Even in the second half he wasn't nowhere, and I can remember him running past two or three Watford players and getting a shot in which won us a corner. I wish he'd stay away from copyng Baines' floaty shit corners though, they're pointless. McCarthy - Showed a great engine by running around a lot... it's just a shame he often ran AWAY from where he was supposed to be, leaving us woefully exposed. Barry - I can't really say I noticed him, positive or negative, until he moved to defence, and then I thought he did a pretty solid job. Cleverley - I can only assume he was put on the left to help Galloway out because he wouldn't attack, but he didn't help him because he was barely out there and just drifted inside, waaaaay inside. And then he was was swapped with Mirallas and went on the right and didn't help Coleman either. In fact, I can recall seeing him pop up on the left again with Mirallas! He just looked clueless as to what his role actually was in the first half. But, I thought he was very influential in the second half when we were pushing for a goal. Almost like Martinez had told him what his role should be. Heaven forbid . Barkley - A fantastic finish for his goal, but he only showed glimpses of the player of two season ago. There were still too many occasions when he should be turning and being positive with the ball but instead he just lays the ball back to where it came from. He seemed to gain confidence as the game went on which is positive. But his lack of support for Lukaku was criminal; he just didn't get up alongside or anywhere near him often enough. That's his bloody role! Lukaku - Isolated for much of the game until Kone came on. We did not support him adequately enough until the final part of the game and it showed. I thought he won as many, if not more headers, as I've seen him win yesterday, but due to that lack of support his flick-ons were rarely picked up by one of our players. And despite not scoring he did manage to pick up an assist. I don't think he had anywhere near as bad a game as some have made out on here, but I was infuriated by him constantly being offside. At one point he called for a pass even though at that very moment he was offside! I wanted to beat him to death with the the lineman's flag! Kone - It's no secret that I don't rate him very highly at all but he had a really good cameo when he came on. When he missed that header I thought "here we go", but he didn't let that play on his mind and went on to play a pivotal role in our recovery and set up the equaliser for Barkley, and then finished coolly under pressure to get us our second equaliser. Well played, Arouna. It was also nice to see him work in tandem with Lukaku, with both of them benefiting by having the other alongside them. chicagoblue, MikeO, Blue 250 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 We had the chances to win it. So I can take that positive from the game. Watford took their chances very well. Our shape confuses me when watching. We keep trying to play someone on the left the same way peanuts plays, we really really miss the player he was two years ago and how he allowed our left back to get forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 Thanks Romey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 Oooohhh imagine if lukaku did that touch for barkleys first and hit that second.... I'd be in the vault. Ooooohh imagine if Lukaku had been as consistently shite over a 2 year period as Kone and had only got two goals and one assist in that period, then you really could pat yourself on the back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Ooooohh imagine if Lukaku had been as consistently shite over a 2 year period as Kone and had only got two goals and one assist in that period, then you really could pat yourself on the back! If kone had played over a 2 year period i would hold him more accountable. He was made to feel as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit before he'd even kicked a ball for us. Had a couple of nervy games and then an injury spanning over 14 months. In reality this is the first time we've seen him after a spell injury free and with a pre season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 If kone had played over a 2 year period i would hold him more accountable. He was made to feel as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit before he'd even kicked a ball for us. Had a couple of nervy games and then an injury spanning over 14 months. In reality this is the first time we've seen him after a spell injury free and with a pre season. fart in a spacesuit Brilliant! Agree with you but like I said somewhere else, let's not get too carried away with a 20 performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 I'd much rather Kone came off the bench, whenever he's started, he's been turd awful and that's being kind. Glad he could make his first contribution in an Everton shirt, still can't believe it's taken this long like. Hope he cracks on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenball141 Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 this fool plays super defensive and possession when the people we have on the team are full of attacking qualities. i think its hilarious when martinez talks about wingers! he dont know wtf it is! such a slow build up talking about wingers! HA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 this fool plays super defensive and possession when the people we have on the team are full of attacking qualities. i think its hilarious when martinez talks about wingers! he dont know wtf it is! such a slow build up talking about wingers! HA! playing 2 wingers terrifies me. Well just play counter attack instead and become a boring defensive team (rather than a boring possession based team) and negate the threat of Baines and Coleman. Suicide playing 2 wingers, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 playing 2 wingers terrifies me. Well just play counter attack instead and become a boring defensive team (rather than a boring possession based team) and negate the threat of Baines and Coleman. Suicide playing 2 wingers, in my opinion. I'd just be happy with any sort of attacking play at this point . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Just two semi-quick points and im done: Preface: I still support RM but by no means am i his biggest fan... 1) Like most i am unbelievably frustrated that Gareth Barry continues to be in the starting XI. Surely his contract says he must start and play 90 mins in every game he is fit. That is the only logical explanation i can come up with. I would get it if we were keeping clean sheets all the time and he was the rock in the midfield - but we arent and his isnt. With the addition of Cleverley sit McCarthy in the deeper role and be more dynamic going forward. Also taking out Galloway makes no sense. You have to chase the game - leave in the young legs and ability to get forward. 2) The human element of this team/league cannot be ignored. Losing baines hurts from a lb perspective tactically but it also affects the mindset of the entire team. Especially given it happened in the final training session before the match. No question Everton are fragile mentally - need a boost with new signings. Get lennon in this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Not sure why everyone is so annoyed with Barry, at least in this game. He played well. I'm very, very quickly losing faith and patience in this "wolf in sheeps clothing". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Not sure why everyone is so annoyed with Barry, at least in this game. He played well. I'm very, very quickly losing faith and patience in this "wolf in sheeps clothing". I don't think it's with Barry the player (this season) but more so his role. 2 sitters. He had a decent match last games was anonymous second half for me, but he didn't make any massive mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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