nogs Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 We're talking about something so obvious. Of course teams who spend a lot will generally win more. But what our fans are saying is that we don't want to throw money around for the sake of it. If we're going to spend, then spend smartly. Amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 If we want to bring in any big players we'll pay over the odds. It's just the nature of the game. If we start to progress up the league and spend money ever selling club will want a piece. Just try not to worry about it. City and Chelsea didn't have champions league and title chances to offer at first, they only had money to offer. When you start winning you can hold back then. Chelsea are now self sustainable. They have a big loan to Abramovic to pay off, but they've progressed the club so they can survive without him. Maybe after their new stadium they'll owe him even more money though. I know a few United fans who don't give a shit if they spend £120m on Pogba, it's just money their owners can't get their hands on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steve-walshs-everton-deal-explained-11660659 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 http://www.espnfc.us/english-premier-league/23/blog/post/2917801/everton-new-man-steve-walsh-could-be-the-transfer-coup-of-the-season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 4, 2016 Report Share Posted August 4, 2016 The last guy he signed for Leicester just tore Barcelona a new one. I couldn't watch the Everton match but watched Leicester and barca and his run and all around play (and goal) were spectaculars Ahmed Musa, cheap too, think Walsh might turn out well for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 4, 2016 Report Share Posted August 4, 2016 The last guy he signed for Leicester just tore Barcelona a new one. I couldn't watch the Everton match but watched Leicester and barca and his run and all around play (and goal) were spectaculars Ahmed Musa, cheap too, think Walsh might turn out well for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-appoint-martyn-glover-scouting-11755581#ICID=sharebar_twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Great news, investing in the longer term future of the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 He will have learned some valuable lessons after his first transfer window as our DOF. Let's hope his scouting network works tireless throughout the year so we can land some more realistic prospects in January and next summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Valuable lessons he shouldn't be learning now, based on the effort taken to get him or the amount we paid for him. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Valuable lessons he shouldn't be learning now, based on the effort taken to get him or the amount we paid for him.bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Are we clear that it's his job to do negotiations? Player identification clearly had a good few players like Brahmi, Perez Martinez, gabbiadini, sissoko etc - if he's not the one to do the dealings then it's not his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 As the Director of Football he is responsible for everything relating to the playing staff. Whether that's scouting, recruitment, player processing, development and selling. He's been bought in specifically as the buffer between the board and the coaching staff. It's his job to keep Koeman happy and to make sure that he gets everything he needs. IF he isn't directly involved in the negotiations, he IS responsible for the delegates who are sent to get these deals done and it falls on him as DoF if they can't deliver. He can then go back to the board, who may or may not make a decision about the persons they feel didn't do their job efficiently in this instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 As the Director of Football he is responsible for everything relating to the playing staff. Whether that's scouting, recruitment, player processing, development and selling. He's been bought in specifically as the buffer between the board and the coaching staff. It's his job to keep Koeman happy and to make sure that he gets everything he needs. IF he isn't directly involved in the negotiations, he IS responsible for the delegates who are sent to get these deals done and it falls on him as DoF if they can't deliver. He can then go back to the board, who may or may not make a decision about the persons they feel didn't do their job efficiently in this instance. Small adjustment in my opinion; he's not responsible but he is accountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Orange Bob does the deals; kick him off the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Small adjustment in my opinion; he's not responsible but he is accountable. That's fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) Orange Bob does the deals; kick him off the board. done some research and it appears that is the case. Walsh is not responsible for the purse strings - he will identify players within certain budget bandings that the manager may need/approve and from this the CEO (Bob) and his team make the negotiations. Walsh could identify 10 top quality players - if the negotiations don't get nailed then is it his fault? No. I await the outcome of this window with interest - I have a feeling there may be some announcements with regards to the structure of the Everton officials.... Edited September 1, 2016 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 done some research and it appears that is the case. Walsh is not responsible for the purse strings - he will identify players within certain budget bandings that the manager may need/approve and from this the CEO (Bob) and his team make the negotiations. Walsh could identify 10 top quality players - if the negotiations don't get nailed then is it his fault? No. I await the outcome of this window with interest - I have a feeling there may be some announcements with regards to the structure of the Everton officials.... That would mean he's just a glorified scout rather a DoF surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Sounds that way. I want his job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 I'd be surprised if Bill has given up negotiating, hes been praised for it for the past ten years. Would he just hand that over to someone else now we have a bit to spend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 That would mean he's just a glorified scout rather a DoF surely? which is what he was at Leicester - assistant manager/head of recruitment. We have essentially lured him with a big job title and 3 times the wages he was getting at Leicester. The director of football from what I understand is responsible for player scouting/performance monitoring/ succession planning - the CEO/CFO in tandem with the board make the financial decisions/negotiations based on the recommendations of the DOF/Manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) Sounds like there's several positions of DoF, just depends on the role he's been asked to do. The presence of a director of football acts as an intermediary between the manager and the board and may relieve pressure on a manager by handling aspects away from day-to-day coaching, allowing a manager to focus on on-pitch performance. The director may also help to stabilise the club – many examples exist of director stepping in as a caretaker manager on the departure of the manager. The director – often an experienced football figure – may also positively advise a less experienced manager or the board of a less well developed club. As a figurehead The level of power and influence in the day-to-day and transfer operations of the club held by a director of football may vary considerably. In some cases, the position may be as a figurehead or as a club ambassador, with transfer dealings, team affairs, squad selection and day-to-day operations handled exclusively by the manager and his staff. Often, the position in this case is filled by a former famous player. Bobby Charlton at Manchester United is such an example. In such a case, the role of the director of football is more one of club promotion and marketing than that of actual control over footballing operations. Employing a well-known football personality in such a position may also be used to enhance the perceived prestige of the club, improving the club's position in the transfer market. Technical Director In this case, the director of football may be sought by a board – or even manager – in order to provide advice or technical assistance on footballing or other aspects that are perceived as lacking or desired by the club. This may be the case where the manager is inexperienced or perceived as naive in a particular aspect, allowing the director to advise against potentially costly errors. This may also be the case where a club in a lesser league or lower division with ambitions to develop further and improve their league position seeks an experienced former manager or director from a more prominent league or club in order to use their experience to further the club. As a go-between The role of the director of football may include control over transfer dealings and targets and aspects outside coaching and squad selection, which are handled by the manager. The director may oversee all levels of the club – youth to first team – with the manager dedicated to first team affairs. Often, a director in this case is a former manager or experienced former coach, often a predecessor of the present manager. This type of director is often installed at the behest of the owners of a club to oversee the manager and act as a go-between of the board and managerial team, or if required help select a new manager. However, such an arrangement has led to controversy in English football due to issues over roles and responsibilities of manager and director – either perceived excessive interference of the director in affairs (such as squad selection) beyond his remit or by attempting to control and criticise aspects of management. As a General Manager In the most extreme case, the director of football may act in a role similar to the continental club 'sporting director' or general manager; holding control over transfer policy and targets, team affairs, stadium and training affairs, travel, fixture selection and having input into squad selection and day-to-day club affairs. This is generally confined to the 'sporting' side of the club, with marketing and financial aspects handled by another director or executive. However, rarely is such a position referred to as 'director of football', with 'sporting director' or akin preferred. Edited September 1, 2016 by Lowensda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 This isn't Walsh 's fault unless he hasn't been identifying the right players to get. It seems a bit mad to me that a man famed for bringing in players on the cheap was then after sissoko on a massively inflated fee. I think we will see his true effect from January onwards. MikeO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 I think it was a crazy stupid window where bang average players are going for well inflated fees. I like this club because of its integrity and the way we do things the right way. Regardless of an influx of money is still like is to abide by our morals. Bolasie aside we have been shrewd in the market and if the right players arnt available I'd sooner see us give youth a go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Let's get this right, Walsh gets poached to watch players and recommend them? That's it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Let's get this right, Walsh gets poached to watch players and recommend them? That's it? today is his 43rd day at the club, FFS mate give him some time. his first window as DOF he learned lesson, i'm sure next summer will be a lot better. efc1111 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Let's get this right, Walsh gets poached to watch players and recommend them? That's it? Yep.... it can be the difference between spending £13m on a £500k player like Niasse and £7m on a £20m player like Gueye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 43 rd day at the club which means a lot of money! We've been banging on how we want to be a club that wants to be with the big boys again. What happened? Fuck all. Don't give me that we've finished stronger this window shite. We've reverted to type and most of you on here are buying it. As usual the silence form the club speaks volumes. Let's put a bit of cladding around Goodson you never know we might get a bid off the Chinese if it looks ok. Bollocks total shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Yep.... it can be the difference between spending £13m on a £500k player like Niasse and £7m on a £20m player like Gueye. well that's a contradiction in terms, you could switch that in every transfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) well that's a contradiction in terms, you could switch that in every transferPoint being niasse was the last transfer made under Martinez.... Gueye was the first under walsh. So yes.... he's essentially saved us the £20m+ it would cost us to buy a midfielder like Gueye. Did you want us to spend £42m on brahimi? They agreed £30m then slapped on another £10m. We had a £18m bid on table for kone, gabiadini couldn't get backfilled. Arsenal came in when we agreed perez martinez.... unsure at what the bloke has done wrong here. Edited September 2, 2016 by Hafnia Btay, dlblue and MikeO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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