Makis Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 We didn't want one in the Kean deal so why would Monaco do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, Makis said: We didn't want one in the Kean deal so why would Monaco do that? Because we’re better negotiators maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 We are in a poor position negotiation-wise. Monaco know we still couldn't get a WP so what is the club going to do? Just sell and maybe add a clause for a cut of any future transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 20 minutes ago, Makis said: We are in a poor position negotiation-wise. Monaco know we still couldn't get a WP so what is the club going to do? Just sell and maybe add a clause for a cut of any future transfer. Aye, I think a %age of any future deal is more likely. But Monaco also know that we can probably send him off somewhere else too, so we still have a fair bit of a say. All depends on how much they want to take him I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 This just sounds the typical fan stuff. We want to pick other club's players for next to nothing while our guys who have hardly played should cost tens of millions. And while we don't want any clauses when the club buys someone of course other clubs willingly add them to any deals where they buy one of our players. Basically this is "we are special" stuff which I'd leave to that other lot across the park. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, Makis said: This just sounds the typical fan stuff. We want to pick other club's players for next to nothing while our guys who have hardly played should cost tens of millions. And while we don't want any clauses when the club buys someone of course other clubs willingly add them to any deals where they buy one of our players. Basically this is "we are special" stuff which I'd leave to that other lot across the park. I’ve not mentioned anything about about his transfer fee so not sure what you’re on about there. However, Brands has shown several times now that he’s good at buying low for new players and getting rid of unwanted players for a good price. Granted all prices are subject to the media so we’ll never really know. Regarding the clause, it’s simple speculation, nothing more, and something we’ve often managed to do. Then consider the rumours about Kean seems to have some kind of buy back clause which would make your point redundant. We also know that the lad is quite highly thought of so we have that to negotiate with too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 All depends on the player. If he's willing to extend his contract might as well renew and keep loaning him out until he gets a permit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 £14 mill apparently and 5 year deal. Seems low again to me. Ollie mcburney going to sheff united for £17 mill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 Well he’s not getting into his international team is he.... that’s why the price is low, he’s just not that good by the sounds of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, Shukes said: Well he’s not getting into his international team is he.... that’s why the price is low, he’s just not that good by the sounds of it. He's only a kid and he's on the fringe. Just checked their team and he's unlucky their three best players play his positions. Iwobi left wing, and Musa and Ighalo up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 I just think we are under valuing some of these players. Mcburnie as an example hasn’t played in the prem but your talking £17 mill. Webster centre half at Bristol city. Brighton want him and they have been quoted £20 mill plus and then there’s Harry Wilson who is rumoured to be going for £25 mill to Bournemouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 46 minutes ago, pete0 said: He's only a kid and he's on the fringe. Just checked their team and he's unlucky their three best players play his positions. Iwobi left wing, and Musa and Ighalo up front. Every foreign club knows we can't get a work permit and if he can't beat out Musa and Ighalo is it really that low? They aren't great players. Musa last sold for 14.5 and Ighalo 20. To Saudi and Chinese clubs. 19 minutes ago, Finn balor said: I just think we are under valuing some of these players. Mcburnie as an example hasn’t played in the prem but your talking £17 mill. Webster centre half at Bristol city. Brighton want him and they have been quoted £20 mill plus and then there’s Harry Wilson who is rumoured to be going for £25 mill to Bournemouth. We've beat this to a pulp. The premium paid by UK clubs for UK players is ridiculous. Targett, Mings, Billing, Ayoze Perez, AWB, Ings just stupid money...not to mention the other rumors Maguire, Tarkowski Dunk etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Finn balor said: £14 mill apparently and 5 year deal. Seems low again to me. Ollie mcburney going to sheff united for £17 mill? i'll take it, get rid and clear the dead wood. Gwlad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir McGiven Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 I don't think Henry is a dead wood Mike but the problem is work permit on his case. I think he is talented and if £14m is the correct amount, it is a steal for AS Monaco. I'm pretty sure in a couple of years he will worth more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 I thought Lookman went cheap, vlasic and gana but what do I know? Maybe we are just clearing the decks it might be going towards the young kid from Brazil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 27 minutes ago, Finn balor said: I thought Lookman went cheap, vlasic and gana but what do I know? Maybe we are just clearing the decks it might be going towards the young kid from Brazil debt payments fixed it for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 Thanks mark it’s like your in my head? Get out of there quick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 54 minutes ago, Sir McGiven said: I don't think Henry is a dead wood Mike but the problem is work permit on his case. I think he is talented and if £14m is the correct amount, it is a steal for AS Monaco. I'm pretty sure in a couple of years he will worth more than that. Can’t be too mad at doubling our money on a player that never set foot on the pitch for us. Disappointing to never see him have a shot here but circumstances were against us. I imagine as we progress as a club we are going to have more incidents where we let go of promising players for one reason or another. It’s the reality of the bigger clubs. I’m sure some Barca fans wish they hadn’t let Digne go and we all know about the players Chelsea have parted with over the years. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: Can’t be too mad at doubling our money on a player that never set foot on the pitch for us. this all day long. plus foreign leagues don't have the cash the premier league has, so the price seems right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: fixed it for you What debt payments? Moshiri’s loan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 37 minutes ago, Matt said: What debt payments? Moshiri’s loan? I didn’t get it either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Matt said: What debt payments? Moshiri’s loan? FFP, someone already posted our financials and how bloated the debt is becoming again due to higher wages (thanks walsh) and larger money transfers (thanks walsh). If we don't clear the dead wood and get the salaries back in line in a year or so we could be in FFP trouble. see the article below https://theesk.org/2019/07/07/the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: FFP, someone already posted our financials and how bloated the debt is becoming again due to higher wages (thanks walsh) and larger money transfers (thanks walsh). If we don't clear the dead wood and get the salaries back in line in a year or so we could be in FFP trouble. see the article below https://theesk.org/2019/07/07/the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/ There is a difference between being in debt and running foul of FFP. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, StevO said: There is a difference between being in debt and running foul of FFP. sorry should have said losses not debt. regardless money is still an issue, we are in the plus 37.5m so far, which is good although it looks like it will be spent on Kean and more. Maybe a new sponsorship deal will be announced or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, StevO said: There is a difference between being in debt and running foul of FFP. Exactly. Plus, whilst I agree being prudent is a good thing to do, now is also the time to not worry about it as much. The new stadium will also give us more space and that’s hopefully only 4 years away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Matt said: Exactly. Plus, whilst I agree being prudent is a good thing to do, now is also the time to not worry about it as much. The new stadium will also give us more space and that’s hopefully only 4 years away. had you read the atrticle we would violtate FFP next year with over 100m in losses, the stadium won't do jack for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: had you read the atrticle we would violtate FFP next year with over 100m in losses, the stadium won't do jack for that. Not in detail, no, I’m on vacation. But I’ll trust the club over a blogger. London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 20 minutes ago, Matt said: Not in detail, no, I’m on vacation. But I’ll trust the club over a blogger. Especially him who seems to think he’s some sort of God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 The Esk writes with real conviction, so he is very convincing, but god he’s a miserable bastard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 31, 2019 Report Share Posted July 31, 2019 Why do people think they know what we can spend? It makes me go nuts. We have an owner that knows what he’s doing. If he wants to spend money let him spend it. He knows what he is doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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