Cornish Steve Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said: If he plays more often like he did tonight, I'd gladly have him up top while DCL is out He's a forward. He hasn't come close to scoring a goal in any game. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harv Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 We are on the slide. With luck there are three teams that will finish below us. Wiggytop and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milesey05 Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 We are going to have the best looking stadium in the championship at this rate. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 We showed up for a part of the game but essentially Liverpool ran rings around us and could or should have scored 3 or 4 more. They also ran more than us and bar a 10 minute spell before half time, I thought they wanted it more and didnt shit themselves when they had it. I am not sure setting up in a 442 was the smartest decision but those subs were really worrying. We desperately need 3 points against Arsenal. Wiggytop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 Sadly, not even surprised by this result. Just numb to this club these days. Jobs for the boys culture since the 90s and its stronger than ever now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memmaclub2 Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Bailey said: We desperately need 3 points against Arsenal. Where the fuck is that coming from we won’t have a new squad or manager by the weekend ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 Let's get real for a moment. We knew we'd lose this match. Some, including myself, thought we'd lose by a greater margin. Emotions shouldn't cloud our judgment here. My concern is not losing the derby: It's seeing the same issues we've faced from day one. Was the strategy and team configuration right at the outset? Clearly not. Were the substitutions the right ones to make? Absolutely not. Were players started who should never play in a derby? Rondon should never have started. This is the pattern: Poor strategy, wrong substitutions, and playing favorites. This isn't going to change. This ought to be what concerns us, not the result of one game. Adding one more observation to the list: Our young players will never get a chance as long as Benitez is in charge. They're all going to leave. Wiggytop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 One more thing for all those blaming injuries... If everyone in the squad was fully available right now, what change would you have made to the starting lineup other than replacing Rondon with DC-L? And would you have the confidence, with a full strength lineup, to repeat last season's derby result? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, Harv said: We are on the slide. With luck there are three teams that will finish below us. Would you like to name them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 29 minutes ago, Bailey said: We showed up for a part of the game but essentially Liverpool ran rings around us and could or should have scored 3 or 4 more. They also ran more than us and bar a 10 minute spell before half time, I thought they wanted it more and didnt shit themselves when they had it. I am not sure setting up in a 442 was the smartest decision but those subs were really worrying. We desperately need 3 points against Arsenal. This was inevitable wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harv Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: Would you like to name them? No, but fingers firmly crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Btay said: Yeah disgusting from our fans Yeah wrong to be throwing plastic bottles at the police but the police have caused the situation was there a need to take the fan out of the crowd and then four of the manhandling him and one kicking him a few times on his legs that for me was too heavy I just hope someone videod it. Some police just go to far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 53 minutes ago, RPG said: Newcastle, Norwich but I struggle to name the third. I'm worried. Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 We scored. We're absolutely fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 10 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: One more thing for all those blaming injuries... If everyone in the squad was fully available right now, what change would you have made to the starting lineup other than replacing Rondon with DC-L? And would you have the confidence, with a full strength lineup, to repeat last season's derby result? DCL changes the balance of the team completely, he offers an outlet who can win and hold up the ball, brings other players in to the game when doing this, and presses the defence in a way two Rondons could never do. Maybe wouldn’t have changed last night, but certainly some of the games where he’s been missing, if we had won 3 of those losses we would be in a better place, granted still vulnerable when we loose a key player. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 8 hours ago, patto said: Yeah wrong to be throwing plastic bottles at the police but the police have caused the situation was there a need to take the fan out of the crowd and then four of the manhandling him and one kicking him a few times on his legs that for me was too heavy I just hope someone videod it. Some police just go to far. Horrible actions by some of our followers in the ground last night, throwing bottles at payers or police, what does that achieve other than get the club a bad name, and if your caught, struggling and fighting with the police is only going to end one way. I can’t see how some think they have the moral ground over the shite fans, yes they were disrespectful during the clapping for Cliff Marshall, Ray Kennedy and then Ava, many around me calling them rats ( I agree they started singing during the clapping) but later on a number were shouting abuse at Allison and laughing about his dad dying, that’s out of order in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 11 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: My concern is not losing the derby: It's seeing the same issues we've faced from day one. Was the strategy and team configuration right at the outset? Clearly not. Were the substitutions the right ones to make? Absolutely not. Were players started who should never play in a derby? Rondon should never have started. This is the pattern: Poor strategy, wrong substitutions, and playing favorites. This isn't going to change. This ought to be what concerns us, not the result of one game. Adding one more observation to the list: Our young players will never get a chance as long as Benitez is in charge. They're all going to leave. Was the team configuration right? I guess, like many, you would have preferred a 433? That sytem relies on width from your full backs and I think Benitez has quickly realised that our full backs are crap. So, he is taking a gamble and trying to get some width in a 442. That does leave us light in the middle, so it's a calculated risk. Liverpool destroyed United and Arsenal recently, so you take your poison whichever system you want. We also have no creative midfielder so our midfield 3 provide zero going forward. I thought Rondon did okay, actually, and justifed his place. He was only ever bought as a backup. When he went off, Richarlison was awful up top, so who would you have played? DCL makes a massive difference to the team. I thought Gray was our best player (a Benitez pickup) again. The system appears to be designed to get him on the ball in space. When DCL is playing, it gives all the forwards more space. Rather than saying Benitez plays his favourites (which manager with such a terrible squad wouldn't?), look at what he has available. Dobbin, Simms? What have you seen of these players that makes you think they would have done better than Rondon last night? Genuinely curious. Benitez will undoubtedly go. All managers go, so there's not much art in predicting it. When he goes, we will still have two crap full backs, no creative central midfielder, two dodgy centre backs. I think Benitez's pickups have been decent. I would like to give him a chance in the January sales but I think this will be a minority view. If I had to get rid of one person at the club, it would be Brands - he has overseen the recruitment and utterly failed. The people who appointed him need to do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Wiggytop said: Horrible actions by some of our followers in the ground last night, throwing bottles at payers or police, what does that achieve other than get the club a bad name, and if your caught, struggling and fighting with the police is only going to end one way. I can’t see how some think they have the moral ground over the shite fans, yes they were disrespectful during the clapping for Cliff Marshall, Ray Kennedy and then Ava, many around me calling them rats ( I agree they started singing during the clapping) but later on a number were shouting abuse at Allison and laughing about his dad dying, that’s out of order in my book. Was you behind the goal that end ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 10 hours ago, Wiggytop said: Horrible actions by some of our followers in the ground last night, throwing bottles at payers or police, what does that achieve other than get the club a bad name, and if your caught, struggling and fighting with the police is only going to end one way. I can’t see how some think they have the moral ground over the shite fans, yes they were disrespectful during the clapping for Cliff Marshall, Ray Kennedy and then Ava, many around me calling them rats ( I agree they started singing during the clapping) but later on a number were shouting abuse at Allison and laughing about his dad dying, that’s out of order in my book. Yeah it was ridiculous the amount of idiots that were throwing bottles, thought it was a bit stupid of Henderson to start goading the crowd when he scored in such a volatile situation but it’s no excuse I saw the Allison incident , he accidentally threw a bottle from the pitch and it hit a kid , so that’s why people we’re snarling at him He apologised straight away and looked genuinely gutted so I don’t think he deserved that and if dickeads hadn’t have being throwing bottles on the pitch he wouldn’t have had to clear them off it Didnt hear anyone laughing about his dad dying but I was too far away to hear what they were shouting, disgusting behaviour if that’s true Shukes, Romey 1878 and MikeO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 4, 2021 Report Share Posted December 4, 2021 On 02/12/2021 at 09:00, Wiggytop said: Horrible actions by some of our followers in the ground last night, throwing bottles at payers or police, what does that achieve other than get the club a bad name, and if your caught, struggling and fighting with the police is only going to end one way. I can’t see how some think they have the moral ground over the shite fans, yes they were disrespectful during the clapping for Cliff Marshall, Ray Kennedy and then Ava, many around me calling them rats ( I agree they started singing during the clapping) but later on a number were shouting abuse at Allison and laughing about his dad dying, that’s out of order in my book. I was in top tier and shouted “grow up and get on with the fking football’ at them. Half the stand just turned and stared at me. Most were too busy watching that incident to notice what was on the pitch. Not a moment for us to be proud of. On the pitch or on the stands. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted December 4, 2021 Report Share Posted December 4, 2021 Was anyone in the ground can say who was booing in the minute’s silence before the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted December 4, 2021 Report Share Posted December 4, 2021 1 hour ago, badaids said: Was anyone in the ground can say who was booing in the minute’s silence before the game? Everton fans as a reaction to that lot singing YNWA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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