StatesideToffee14 Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 One of the ESPN FC writers here in the states said they thought that Everton's punishment (which could be reduced down to 8 points on appeal) meant that what Man City could get could be worse including a points deduction, massive fines, or relegation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 john Blaine mentioned this yesterday. as I said a long time ago…. I’m not sure how dbb and ingles managed to get the highly paid role that they did. Well yeah we do don’t we…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Hafnia said: john Blaine mentioned this yesterday. as I said a long time ago…. I’m not sure how dbb and ingles managed to get the highly paid role that they did. Well that’s a fucking eye opener if proven to be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Gwlad said: https://www.football365.com/news/everton-risk-administration-nine-point-penalty-three-clubs-successfully-sue-300m Maybe they need reminding that three teams are relegated. Even if we'd scored no points at all, two of them would still have been relegated. This is all a complete farce. StevO and Gwlad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 55 minutes ago, Palfy said: Well that’s a fucking eye opener if proven to be true. It is true. Its in the official case documents. It says they chose not to stand in and speak for the club. So the PL easily batted away the clubs claims that every expense etc was agreed...because we didn't have the representation. Absolute disgrace in my opinion. chicagoblue and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Palfy Posted November 18, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Newty82 said: It is true. Its in the official case documents. It says they chose not to stand in and speak for the club. So the PL easily batted away the clubs claims that every expense etc was agreed...because we didn't have the representation. Absolute disgrace in my opinion. Someone needs to get her in a headlock StevO, Gwlad, Romey 1878 and 6 others 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Newty82 Posted November 18, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 Trust ToffeeTalk to go offline at such am important time Anyway, like many of you, I can't remember the last time I had this much fire in my belly for the club. Its proper galvanised me and I only wish it was easy to get tickets!!! Goodison Park is going to be the most hostile stadium in PL history. That fund for banners etc has raised £27k...we know our lot won't hold back. You won't be able to hear the PL anthem. I feel for any PL officials that step foot into Goodison. The PL have revealed themselves as a bunch of incompetent snakes. And the world will see it. We've basically been punished for building a new stadium. That same stadium, which will be phenomenal, will be used by the PL to promote the 'greatness' of the league...we should tell them to fuck off and not use anything of ours to promote theirs (I know that's not how the real world works, but still...) What's worse, is the club has communicated and played inline with several PL demands (wages, transfers etc), and been punished for relevant transparency. Yet the likes of City and Chelsea continue to be evasive... All you guys who go every week...give it to em proper Romey 1878, chicagoblue, Wiggytop and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Palfy said: Well that’s a fucking eye opener if proven to be true. To some maybe….. not others, a few of us actually did question the credentials of these highly paid frauds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67459084 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Romey 1878 Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 38 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67459084 How the fuck could the panel on one hand say that we had no sporting advantage from the overspend and then say that they believe the relegated clubs have a case for compensation?! Johnsy, RuffRob, Newty82 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hafnia Posted November 18, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said: How the fuck could the panel on one hand say that we had no sporting advantage from the overspend and then say that they believe the relegated clubs have a case for compensation?! So….. based on that we could ourselves and many others sue Chelsea and Man City for their league finishes? fook me. This reminds me of the government in the pandemic, creating absolute nightmares for themselves. Matt, KinL, StevO and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romey 1878 Posted November 18, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Hafnia said: So….. based on that we could ourselves and many others sue Chelsea and Man City for their league finishes? fook me. This reminds me of the government in the pandemic, creating absolute nightmares for themselves. I was going to say, it’s coming across as if they’re making it up as they go along. They admit we didn’t try and deceive and didn’t get a sporting advantage but then give us a sporting punishment, and now this bollocks. Matt, KinL, StevO and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I was going to say, it’s coming across as if they’re making it up as they go along. They admit we didn’t try and deceive and didn’t get a sporting advantage but then give us a sporting punishment, and now this bollocks. It’s reassuring in some ways that we actually get to look behind the curtain and see that what we thought was a whimpering mess is actually a whimpering mess. no wonder they never went after Man City and their squad of legal big hitters. Goes to show what an absolute shambles our lot is… little miss dynamite and ingles are ok at signing off on charitable donations and letting lower league teams have all expenses paid trips to goodison - ask them to do “governance” and errrmm all you get is headlocks. Gwlad, RuffRob, StevO and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 29 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: How the fuck could the panel on one hand say that we had no sporting advantage from the overspend and then say that they believe the relegated clubs have a case for compensation?! Because the PL set up an 'independent regulator' without actually having any idea of how they were going to deal with PSR cases. So, it's ended up being a mish mash of bollocks. They've made right tits of themselves and only strengthened the Government's case to step in. The press running over themselves to create these click bait suing headlines. I don't think any of them have grasped what we actually got done for. KinL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof_It_Nev Posted November 18, 2023 Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 It's funny how clubs are bitter about going down instead of us because we spent so much money, when it's the stupid amounts of money we've spent on bang average players for massive losses that's got us in relegation battles in the first place. Money (and reckless spending/management of) has provided us with instability and mediocrity, we'd be nowhere near relegation battles if we'd never had moshiri's money. Sev 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RuffRob Posted November 18, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 18, 2023 This whole debacle just beggers belief- £19.5m more than allowed over a certain 3 year cycle that coincided when the whole world entered a period of unprecedented disruption and turmoil. Add to that the clubs most expensive ever signing get arrested and can neither play or be sold. The UK government makes sanctions against any business from a whole country and basically pulls the rug from the lions share of our sponsorship. the premier league change some of the rules on what sort of interest paymnets can be offset for capital investment just as we are committed to the biggest capital investment any club can make. every single pundit etc is saying the same thing. Everton are being fucked over by the Premier League. KinL, Matt, Romey 1878 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 dunlopp9987, Newty82, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/nov/18/everton-fans-view-premier-leagues-10-point-penalty-simply-doesnt-add-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/nov/18/everton-pay-price-of-leaderships-manic-spending-and-blind-eye-to-sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RuffRob Posted November 19, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 There seems to be a significant bacllash againt the magnitude of the punishment that Everton have been handed out, from what I have listen to and read the shock is pretty much universal accross the footballing media and beyond. I don't think i have heard any anybody say its fair and reasonable. You would hope that this is sinking in with those who may be reviewing any appeal. It not just people with Everton tinted glasses that are gobsmacked by this. MikeO, KinL, Newty82 and 6 others 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 I think we are at a bit of a tipping point when it comes to football and the tribalism that has been evident since day dot. Through obvious corruption and the absolute failure of the PGMOL/VAR football fans are united in a way that I've never seen before. There seems to be a massive divide between the Premier League and those that follow the teams that compete in it. Rather than point scoring, fans are coming together against the absolute clusterfuck which is the FA. StevO, Matt and Newty82 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 2 hours ago, RuffRob said: There seems to be a significant bacllash againt the magnitude of the punishment that Everton have been handed out, from what I have listen to and read the shock is pretty much universal accross the footballing media and beyond. I don't think i have heard any anybody say its fair and reasonable. You would hope that this is sinking in with those who may be reviewing any appeal. It not just people with Everton tinted glasses that are gobsmacked by this. It’s probably going to be the turning point for the game. The prem in their delusion probably think that tribalism would see the wider people in the game snigger and laugh and think “oooh the EPL mean business” and as a result they get left alone and Everton pay the price. The reality is that I think with recent events with VAR and news about Chelsea paying agents with offshore accounts people have had enough. It’s one thing after another. Are we accountable for punishment? Yes. We broke a rule but is the punishment appropriate? No. Well, maybe now some of our fans will start to pay more critical attention to the people running our club. Maybe they will not be fooled into believing the bullshit from over promoted amateurs who are only experts at deflecting blame from themselves and not protecting the welfare of our club. Matt and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Zoo 2.0 said: I think we are at a bit of a tipping point when it comes to football and the tribalism that has been evident since day dot. Through obvious corruption and the absolute failure of the PGMOL/VAR football fans are united in a way that I've never seen before. There seems to be a massive divide between the Premier League and those that follow the teams that compete in it. Rather than point scoring, fans are coming together against the absolute clusterfuck which is the FA. I mean except for the supporters of Leeds, Leicester, Burnley, etc. They're very much in the EPL's corner at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 Just as an aside, how is it even possible for three clubs to sue us anyway? I mean, I know we're fucking massive and all but we could still have only occupied one of the relegation spots. Newty82 and StevO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 The whole thing is ludicrous but this section of the commission’s report is madness. I really can’t see how a unprecedented unpredictable war on the edge of Europe that’s had a worldwide financial effect can be ‘the type of event that businesses have to contend with as part of their daily life’ when the stadium is the second biggest building project currently in the UK (& let’s not mention the first as I think the government might agree!) Romey 1878, Matt and StevO 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 1 hour ago, dunlopp9987 said: I mean except for the supporters of Leeds, Leicester, Burnley, etc. They're very much in the EPL's corner at this point But didn’t Leicester only get a £3.1m fine for a breach of FFP in 2018 for a £21m breach in 2013-14 by the EFL! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonsta Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, barryj said: But didn’t Leicester only get a £3.1m fine for a breach of FFP in 2018 for a £21m breach in 2013-14 by the EFL! Just read the article, they said it was spent on a new ground, other infrastructure,sound familiar, and it was the year they were promoted back to the premier league,so clubs will be suing them then, how can this bunch of fools, clobber us. Sledge hammer to crack a nut. Edited November 19, 2023 by Tonsta missed information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Tonsta said: Just read the article, they said it was spent on a new ground, other infrastructure,sound familiar, and it was the year they were promoted back to the premier league,so clubs will be suing them then, how can this bunch of fools, clobber us. Sledge hammer to crack a nut. It’s crazy! This is why I’m so annoyed with the process. It was kept secret throughout and yet the premier league prejudiced the process by saying they wanted a 12 point deduction mid way through. Had the facts been known throughout the footballing world would have all been only expecting us to get a fine or in extreme circumstances a tiny points deduction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted November 19, 2023 Report Share Posted November 19, 2023 I think the truth is that if this was a proper legal proceeding in court, it would be thrown out due to how the PL have conducted themselves prior and during. Instead it's been a Kangaroo Court. I'm pretty sure Everton can pick apart plenty in the document that wouldn't stand up in a legal court (but I'm no expert so I could be wide of the mark!) Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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