Guest blueboy122 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 We have lacked a midfield general for some time so I am made up with him to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) It's not about setting the world alight mate I'm not expecting that more a point that a players previous club means practically nothing it has no bearing on how any player will perform for another club at a higher level I'm not sure why people generally use it to dampen peoples expectations of any player, it's the same as he's still young etc if a players good enough he's good enough simple. There's no weight being put on his shoulders or pressure either it's a forum and personal views and opinions what we say will have no effect what so ever. I've personally got high hopes for the lad and as others have said he has attributes we've been missing for some time there's no harm in having very positive and fairly high expectations for a player Edited August 11, 2014 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofanon Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 I've commented many a time that we lack a bit of nastiness and drive. Hoping that the lad can provide it. I think that back to that Leeds side (Viduka, Smith etc) that were really young but had a bit of needle about them. Proper little team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 He looks a player that could be a £20m plus asset. I'm pleased with what I've seen. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emir Hamidovic Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Toffee_in_LA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Do you know what. I love him. Think he is a complete midfielder. Or has the attributes to be. Great technique, great positional sense, great awareness, loves a long pass, will hold the ball up, good in possession. He excites me most of the new season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 I'm excited to see the player he can become once he fills out and gets a few years striking fear into the hearts of his opponents under his belt. Besic can be one of those midfield generals who thrive on their reputation. There are a lot of "ifs" with him, but he at least has the skill to make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 My questions with him are mentally at this stage. Technically he is superb, but in both games he lost the ball early and dived straight into a nasty challenge which was quite impetuous. I imagine that is because he is trying to impress but I can see him doing that in the Derby and getting sent off early! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBlood81 Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Love him! Go on the Mo!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howardshands Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 My questions with him are mentally at this stage. Technically he is superb, but in both games he lost the ball early and dived straight into a nasty challenge which was quite impetuous. I imagine that is because he is trying to impress but I can see him doing that in the Derby and getting sent off early! I get the same sense. I looked at the video of his first impressive touches and after going "woah", I got the feeling that he was very close to losing the ball in a dangerous spot, and might not have even realized the third player was there before he did his second move and the cross. I think he's got to be a little bit more careful, but I'm still excited! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-everton-midfielder-muhamed-besic-7610490 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee_in_LA Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 I get the same sense. I looked at the video of his first impressive touches and after going "woah", I got the feeling that he was very close to losing the ball in a dangerous spot, and might not have even realized the third player was there before he did his second move and the cross. I think he's got to be a little bit more careful, but I'm still excited! It's so interesting how you can view the coin in two different ways. The way I see it, I fully appreciate someone that is willing to take someone one and pull a trick or two to get past them. Makes me think of (a basketball analogy) a rookie Kobe Bryant who airballed a couple of 3 point shots during the playoffs. Some said that he should have passed the ball and not be the hero but the way I saw it, it showed me that he wasn't afraid to be on the big stage, put the weight on his shoulder, and not shy away from it. Of course there will be times where playing the safe pass is the right thing to do and slow down with the reckless tackles (Especially during say the Derby) but if he continues to develop his game, I can see that he has the tools to be special Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Other than the hard tackling, he reminds me of arteta in so many ways. The way he holds himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Other than the hard tackling, he reminds me of arteta in so many ways. The way he holds himself. Shit! I can too haha! I noticed when watching him that he always seems to be looking to receive the ball, waving his hands to his feet to show where he wants it put. And to be fair Arteta always had a nasty streak in him too. That's what made him the player he was, arrogance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 This lad is gonna do a few Don Hutchisons and the fans will love it. I remember Don when he was our clear and away best midfielder - he put in some absolute cerunching tackles, you heard the echo around Goodison and seen the opponent wilt, Don then got up and strode off with the ball. I resented the board for the way he was treated and sold off when they offered him a poxy new deal. With McCarthy we will have two of the most tenacious midlfielders in the prem - proper steel. Lets just hope we are able to "influence" the referees in a way that means they wont be dishing cards out left right and centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/everything-you-need-know-about-muhamed-besic Toffee_in_LA and Lowensda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Like the article. Love the player. Hope he adapts to the league and shines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsunyc Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 by all accounts, it looks like besic has very good skill level. why isn't he playing? is it fitness level? or is he still learning the system? is martinez bringing him along slowly? or are there just better players ahead of him? it seems having barry + besic's passing ability would make us all the more lethal - is there something my novice eyes are not seeing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 by all accounts, it looks like besic has very good skill level. why isn't he playing? is it fitness level? or is he still learning the system? is martinez bringing him along slowly? or are there just better players ahead of him? it seems having barry + besic's passing ability would make us all the more lethal - is there something my novice eyes are not seeing? I think Roberto has a tough time subbing out Barry or McCarthy for Besic because of the massive responsibilities they take on in their positions. It would be ideal to put him in as a sub for our attacking mid. And he would've been great to sub in during the Arsenal match, but the Pienaar injury kind of forced Roberto's hand early, and I don't think he wanted to sub out Osman who had already been subbed in (if I'm remembering correctly). Maybe we will see him against Chelsea. Who knows! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsunyc Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 I think Roberto has a tough time subbing out Barry or McCarthy for Besic because of the massive responsibilities they take on in their positions. It would be ideal to put him in as a sub for our attacking mid. And he would've been great to sub in during the Arsenal match, but the Pienaar injury kind of forced Roberto's hand early, and I don't think he wanted to sub out Osman who had already been subbed in (if I'm remembering correctly). Maybe we will see him against Chelsea. Who knows! does that mean besic is not ready for a bigger role like barry or mccarthy? too young? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 does that mean besic is not ready for a bigger role like barry or mccarthy? too young? Someone made the point that the team balance has to be respected, dropping either McCarthy or Barry would upset this both on the pitch and mentally. This is why I want to try the 433 mentioned in the Chelsea thread, gives him a good introduction and we can try him out as a box to box in Barkleys absence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 433 against Chelsea is far too risky. We need to stick to our principles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee_in_LA Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 433 against Chelsea is far too risky. We need to stick to our principles Completely agree, I don't mind experimenting against a lower table team at home that may try to bunker down against us but against Chelsea, no way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thoward18 Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 does that mean besic is not ready for a bigger role like barry or mccarthy? too young? You can't look at it in a vacuum like that. Could Besic be ready? Possibly. But only 11 players can be on the field at one time. The question instead is, "does he deserve to play over McCarthy or Barry" That's going to be a rough one for Besic to conquer. Those two were huge rocks centrally for Everton last season. Martinez isn't going to sacrifice one of those two ESPECIALLY against teams like Arsenal or Chelsea just so he can show off the new shiny toy. Most likely, Besic is going to spend this season as a substitute who starts whenever there's an injury or fitness concern as well as getting big minutes in Europa and cup matches. That's quite fine. Besic is only 21. There's no rush here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I just find it strange that he hasn't even come on as a sub. Better to introduce him that way than give him no minutes and then be forced to throw him in at the deep end due to an injury or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Think he'll be used properly in cup games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 We are only 2 games into the season so I wouldn't read too much into just yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Hasn't Besic also played (very well I understand) at CB previously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 433 against Chelsea is far too risky. We need to stick to our principles the only difference between 433 and 4231 is that there is a real box to box mid, which it think you were crying out for at some point last season. Doesn't change our principles at all, just gives us a bit more defensive cover to cope with Hazard, Oscar and Schurlle and gives us someone who can deliver wider distribution which will be essential during counter attacks (which is how I see us playing today) Hasn't Besic also played (very well I understand) at CB previously?yup, in Hungary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsunyc Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 You can't look at it in a vacuum like that. Could Besic be ready? Possibly. But only 11 players can be on the field at one time. The question instead is, "does he deserve to play over McCarthy or Barry" That's going to be a rough one for Besic to conquer. Those two were huge rocks centrally for Everton last season. Martinez isn't going to sacrifice one of those two ESPECIALLY against teams like Arsenal or Chelsea just so he can show off the new shiny toy. Most likely, Besic is going to spend this season as a substitute who starts whenever there's an injury or fitness concern as well as getting big minutes in Europa and cup matches. That's quite fine. Besic is only 21. There's no rush here. thanks. besic will just have to wait his turn. the good news is that he's ours and he has some serious skill. i guess as the season goes along and with all the europa matches, we will have to play him and give him quality mins so we don't kill our players by the end fo the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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