markjazzbassist Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 It's right back Kant even to be talking 20-30 million is a lot. How much did zabaleta go for? David Alaba? Arsenal got debuchy for 10m. It's just not a big money position. We could maybe get debuchy since after his injury he can't crack the lineup over bellerin or is it coquelin, I get them confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Curly Alan Ball Posted June 28, 2015 Report Share Posted June 28, 2015 Are you crazy Seamus is the best R/B we have had since Gary Stevens, and the best in the prem. I can not see why people would want him sold, £15m do one united. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kant Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 It's right back Kant even to be talking 20-30 million is a lot. How much did zabaleta go for? David Alaba? Arsenal got debuchy for 10m. It's just not a big money position. We could maybe get debuchy since after his injury he can't crack the lineup over bellerin or is it coquelin, I get them confused. You don't realise how important a RB is in a team until you put Glen Johnson in there and start leaking goals. Then you spend the next 3-4 years trying to find someone reliable and spending more than what you originally got. The question is not how much did other RB went for, the question for me is 'What kind of club is this?' If Everton starts selling potential top performers without a ready made replacement, then you have no right to deny Barkley's transfer, or Stones' transfer once the powerful clubs come knocking. Stay put, be firm, and try to increase club's income by league position and on the field success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 I think Trippier would have been the ready made replacement, 20 mil for Coleman and the 5 mill or what ever Trippier went for is good business for any club. However I wouldn't let him go now because as Patto said there isn't anyone to replace him currently. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 He's too important to how we play to let him go cheap. £35m is the benchmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Having met him, he doesn't come across as though he'd push for a move. Genuine down to earth lad who hasn't let the fame get to him. If he goes it will be with the blessing of the club. Really don't want to see him go but for £25-£30m for a full back you can't really argue. We should be able to get a valid replacement and more with that. Losing one of your better players is kind of acceptable. I just don't want to see two or three go. markjazzbassist and Sibdane 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Is this about money or being successful. The days when we had to sell to survive have gone. I want to win things. That means I want the strongest possible Everton team. That means Coleman stays. Anything else shows lack of ambition, acceptance of mid table mediocrity and sends a demoralising message to the players that stay. Coleman stays! Kant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Having met him, he doesn't come across as though he'd push for a move. Genuine down to earth lad who hasn't let the fame get to him. If he goes it will be with the blessing of the club. Really don't want to see him go but for £25-£30m for a full back you can't really argue. We should be able to get a valid replacement and more with that. Losing one of your better players is kind of acceptable. I just don't want to see two or three go. Aye, getting a good sum from a position that doesn't normally generate high receipts is a no-brainer in my opinion. If it's for the rumored 25-30mil then I don't think we have a choice but to let him go. We can do a lot with that money. I don't want Coleman to leave, but it could be for the better of the club in the long run. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Aye, getting a good sum from a position that doesn't normally generate high receipts is a no-brainer in my opinion. If it's for the rumored 25-30mil then I don't think we have a choice but to let him go. We can do a lot with that money. I don't want Coleman to leave, but it could be for the better of the club in the long run. Could is the operative word. We could also spunk that money on 1-3 players who end up doing fuck all for us. If he's pushing for the move or we desperately need the money, then selling is a worthwhile option. I don't think either of those scenarios are in effect right now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Could is the operative word. We could also spunk that money on 1-3 players who end up doing fuck all for us. If he's pushing for the move or we desperately need the money, then selling is a worthwhile option. I don't think either of those scenarios are in effect right now though. even with all the TV money we still can't compete with spurs, even west ham when it comes to transfer dealings! a sale like this putting some very talented youngsters and a couple solid veterans in their prime could help us build for the future and compete currently. I love coleman as much as the next guy but he is a liability defensively. his biggest asset is the way he attacks and bombs the flank, but with Gerry playing there a more solid defending RB would actually be preferred in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeghead1 Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 The other thing everyone needs to remember is the Rooney deal 27 million spread over 5 years 10 upfront then 5 for the next 2 seasons and the rest as add ons to make it look good. We never got anywhere near the 27 as they never won any European trophies and he never captained England to world cup glory. If Coleman went for 25 million you can bet your house it's over so many years with more add ons than a solicitor gets for selling your house. Keep him, keep him all day long he cost us sweet Fa in the first place so cashing in on him to me isn't the right thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Don't agree with him.being a defensive liability....he is our sweeper with his speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Don't agree with him.being a defensive liability....he is our sweeper with his speed. There was a time when he was a liability, but his defending has improved massively. He's not perfect but he's good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 There was a time when he was a liability, but his defending has improved massively. He's not perfect but he's good enough. That one idiotic penalty he gave away 2 seasons ago (was it against Villa?) summed him up defensively. But, these past two seasons he's been pretty solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 There was a time when he was a liability, but his defending has improved massively. He's not perfect but he's good enough.He's definitely gotten better at it... now if he could lift his head up a few times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oztoffee Posted June 29, 2015 Report Share Posted June 29, 2015 Can't believe some of you want to sell him. Apart from the fact that he occupies the one position in the team that we already have no back-up for, he's arguably the best in the Prem. So you are proposing that we sell Coleman, have no back-up and have to bring in another player ,2 really, who of necessity would cost less (because we're having to buy 2 players) and thereby must not be as good and so weaken the squad? What is the upside to this? If the lad really wants to go, then go he must, but it's absolute madness to sell just because some twat team offers attractive cash for him just because they can. There has to be something in any deal that is good for both sides........this deal does not in any way favour the seller. If we had 2 more backs on the books that are capable, and one can step up; great! But we haven't. Let's get some common sense into this thread FFS! Toffee_in_LA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Can't believe some of you want to sell him. Apart from the fact that he occupies the one position in the team that we already have no back-up for, he's arguably the best in the Prem. So you are proposing that we sell Coleman, have no back-up and have to bring in another player ,2 really, who of necessity would cost less (because we're having to buy 2 players) and thereby must not be as good and so weaken the squad? What is the upside to this? If the lad really wants to go, then go he must, but it's absolute madness to sell just because some twat team offers attractive cash for him just because they can. There has to be something in any deal that is good for both sides........this deal does not in any way favour the seller. If we had 2 more backs on the books that are capable, and one can step up; great! But we haven't. Let's get some common sense into this thread FFS! We don't have enough money to get a proper mirallas replacement, proper starting keeper, proper 10, proper backup winger and backup striker. I would sell 1 player to get a replacement and 2 of those. We have Hubert for one more season and browning can play there as well. Not ideal but not like we don't have anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I wouldn't want to sell him. Been one of best for the past three years. Not only does he offer an attacking threat but due to his pace he often sweeps up at the back. It would be very difficult to replace him. Would remind me of letting Arteta go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 He's one of the best right backs in the league, to sell him would be madness and as others have said, Trippier would have been he only replacement competent enough to replace Seamus. He's a nice guy too, so influence in the dressing room is anything but negative. He's to be kept for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I wouldn't want to sell him. Been one of best for the past three years. Not only does he offer an attacking threat but due to his pace he often sweeps up at the back. It would be very difficult to replace him. Would remind me of letting Arteta go. Why? We kept hold of Arteta for too long, he should've been sold the year before when we were being offered £25m! It was more than time to get shut of him. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I just thought we didn't have anyone to fit that slot when we sold him. It's not always what the players worth, but how you can replace them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacs Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I just thought we didn't have anyone to fit that slot when we sold him. It's not always what the players worth, but how you can replace them. Finding a replacement gets easier when you've just sold a player like Arteta for 25 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Had we sold him earlier, and spent half the quoted figure on Clyne, I would've been sad to see him go but it would've been good business. Same with Trippier. However, RB is so important for us and I can't see any links to a player who can come in and make a difference immediately. For that reason alone, I'd be very reluctant to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Finding a replacement gets easier when you've just sold a player like Arteta for 25 million. Understand what you're saying but not always. See Torres' £50m sale. It meant Liverpool were publicly sited for having a large pot of money, which means Newcastle could charge them £35m for Andy Carroll, knowing the idiots had the money. Much better for you to get the replacement business signed up BEFORE you sell a star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbeaker Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 He's a great player but everyones got a price. with 4 years left on his contract and at 26yo, He'll be at the peak of ability and value so if they offer 30 million, I would take it but the young lad for Leeds and maybe an experienced RB as a back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeghead1 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I agree with the Torres comment but Evertons boardroom seem to do it the other way around, we sold Rooney and Arteta so late into the transfer window we couldn't nip the corner shop to buy a Mars bar never mind a replacement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Understand what you're saying but not always. See Torres' £50m sale. It meant Liverpool were publicly sited for having a large pot of money, which means Newcastle could charge them £35m for Andy Carroll, knowing the idiots had the money. Much better for you to get the replacement business signed up BEFORE you sell a star. That's like buying a new car on the assumption your old ones going to sell only for all deals to fall through and you're left with it sitting on the driveway and a load of debt. Best to sell before buying. Edited June 30, 2015 by MC11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Buy first or sell first? It doesn't really matter. Just do the business early so others can't use time as a bargaining chip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 That's like buying a new car on the assumption your old ones going to sell only for all deals to fall through and you're left with it sitting on the driveway and a load of debt. Best to sell before buying. And when it doesn't come off...you're fucked. Simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Or best not selling, or buying a new car. Because the car you've got is fast as fuck and is too much fun to drive. It doesn't even cost much to fill up, it's really economical which is unusual for such a fast car. And for one that's so highly tuned it's reliable too, hardly ever breaks down. Then once in a while you'll be blasting down a country lane and some cockney prick with a laptop tries to sell the thing while you're still driving, and probably tries to shaft you with PPI on the rusty Ford Escort they want to sell you to replace it. Toffee_in_LA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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