nogs Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 http://www.espnfc.us/barclays-premier-league/23/blog/post/2853372/roberto-martinez-and-arsene-wengers-tired-acts-wearing-thin What's worrying about that is the Moshiri link - does Martinez think he'll get the same free pass from the board Wenger gets at Arsenal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 We can't afford a third season of shite. I'm not even sure we're going to get away with having two shit seasons. So Martinez needs to go for me. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 please just sack him at the end of the season - lowest home points total in the top flight. That is absolutely shocking and can not be defended. dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Im never fully confident going into a Derby as i imagine most aren't but i am dreading tomorrow! The lack of fight, intensity and passion in our team is awful and its all down to Martinez, Hate to say it but i think we are going to get tonked tomorrow night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 The tempo they play at under Klopp, we are in for a bad night. We don't have anywhere near the fitness to cope with them, let alone the strategy. Romey 1878 and dlblue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 The tempo they play at under Klopp, we are in for a bad night. We don't have anywhere near the fitness to cope with them, let alone the strategy. Our strategy hasn't changed since the first game of the season. All Premiership teams know exactly how we will play, at home or away. We don't perform well against teams who press hard, we like time on the ball. The other problem is, we don't press. When we lose possession we drop back into our own half and wait to see what the opposition are going to do. Often, the opposition do it very quickly and we are caught out with not enough defenders behind the ball. Having tactics which are based on who we are playing seems to be beyond Roberto's skill level. Elston Gunnn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 http://www.90min.com/posts/3131655-gerard-deulofeu-defends-everton-boss-roberto-martinez-his-work-is-so-good?utm_medium=share&utm_source=fotmob Gerry says yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Our strategy hasn't changed since the first game of the season. All Premiership teams know exactly how we will play, at home or away. We don't perform well against teams who press hard, we like time on the ball. The other problem is, we don't press. When we lose possession we drop back into our own half and wait to see what the opposition are going to do. Often, the opposition do it very quickly and we are caught out with not enough defenders behind the ball. Having tactics which are based on who we are playing seems to be beyond Roberto's skill level. Roberto thinks tactics are very small mints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 http://www.90min.com/posts/3131655-gerard-deulofeu-defends-everton-boss-roberto-martinez-his-work-is-so-good?utm_medium=share&utm_source=fotmob Gerry says yes. Gerry was a racecar driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) please just sack him at the end of the season - lowest home points total in the top flight. That is absolutely shocking and can not be defended.Martinez could argue he got our highest total 2 seasons ago. Unless a top class manager like Mourinho is willing to come I'd give him another season, but with more pressure from the top and ban him from playing tippy tappy, bull shitting the fans, and being involved with the players fitness routines. There's a good manager in there, just a catalan spirit blocking his senses. Edited April 19, 2016 by pete0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Martinez could argue he got our highest total 2 seasons ago. Unless a top class manager like Mourinho is willing to come I'd give him another season, but with more pressure from the top and ban him from playing tippy tappy, bull shitting the fans, and being involved with the players fitness routines. There's a good manager in there, just a catalan spirit blocking his senses. dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Great riposte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Martinez could argue he got our highest total 2 seasons ago. Unless a top class manager like Mourinho is willing to come I'd give him another season, but with more pressure from the top and ban him from playing tippy tappy, bull shitting the fans, and being involved with the players fitness routines. There's a good manager in there, just a catalan spirit blocking his senses. And what is going to change this? The board demanding we hire a sensible German as assistant manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 And what is going to change this? The board demanding we hire a sensible German as assistant manager?By stopping him from playing tika taka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 By stopping him from playing tika taka. I don't think it works like that... What do you suggest? Make him sign a contract in which he promises not to pass sideways, prioritise players' fitness, introduce the high press, look to be much more direct on the counter and stop blatantly lying about the quality of performances in interviews? Surely it would be easier just to hire someone else? Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 It would happen in the normal world, an end of year quality review. If he is stubborn and doesn't improve then get rid. Never know he could be offended and take the opportunity to leave and blame the restrictions rather than his stress, which would save us fair few bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Martinez could argue he got our highest total 2 seasons ago. Unless a top class manager like Mourinho is willing to come I'd give him another season, but with more pressure from the top and ban him from playing tippy tappy, bull shitting the fans, and being involved with the players fitness routines. There's a good manager in there, just a catalan spirit blocking his senses. He's been in charge for 3 seasons now, I think if his good season would have been the middle season or this one then people would still be behind him but i think now the first good season was a fluke based on a more attacking style and a solid defense and work ethic left behind by Moyes. After he messed up the beginning of our second season being a pundit in Brazil and therefore leaving us with a garbage pre-season and lack of fitness he has taken us 3 steps back. I don't actually believe there is a good manager 'in there' anymore, once i did but he just seems clueless and full of sh*t. watching Spurs is heartbreaking as it shows how far they have progressed and how far we have fallen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 This is true. Some say 'if only we had Raneiri' but actually you would never have picked him before this season as his history is more miss than hit. Has lost several jobs, has never really won anything, has a history of starting well but then falling off. He's done something amazing at Leicester this season and deserves full credit for that. But before this season, well, not a lot to shout about. I always thought he was really unlucky at Chelsea and was doing a good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Martinez could argue he got our highest total 2 seasons ago. Unless a top class manager like Mourinho is willing to come I'd give him another season, but with more pressure from the top and ban him from playing tippy tappy, bull shitting the fans, and being involved with the players fitness routines. Sorry, no thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Sorry Pete but that's madness it would never happen but if it did your essentially wanting a totally different manager so why not just go down that route anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Martinez could argue he got our highest total 2 seasons ago. Unless a top class manager like Mourinho is willing to come I'd give him another season, but with more pressure from the top and ban him from playing tippy tappy, bull shitting the fans, and being involved with the players fitness routines. There's a good manager in there, just a catalan spirit blocking his senses. Looking at it subject subjectively. If he won the cup. Beat Liverpool. Moved up to eighth place then he would have an argument for a summer to turn things around. Been here so many times before with managers. Sometimes it's that one player that can fit into your jigsaw. Problem is all his pieces are loose on the box at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Sorry Pete but that's madness it would never happen but if it did your essentially wanting a totally different manager so why not just go down that route anywayWould save the club a fortune that could go towards a player. It depends if we focus on buying a stadium or players with the new investment. Pointless getting a new manager if he's going to have to wait for us to go all out. I'd let Martinez stay on sort of an interim basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 He's been in charge for 3 seasons now, I think if his good season would have been the middle season or this one then people would still be behind him but i think now the first good season was a fluke based on a more attacking style and a solid defense and work ethic left behind by Moyes. After he messed up the beginning of our second season being a pundit in Brazil and therefore leaving us with a garbage pre-season and lack of fitness he has taken us 3 steps back. I don't actually believe there is a good manager 'in there' anymore, once i did but he just seems clueless and full of sh*t. watching Spurs is heartbreaking as it shows how far they have progressed and how far we have fallen. I'd not give credit to Moyes for the defense, we were rubbish at the back the last couple of seasons. Especially from set pieces. Plus how come the old regime would only effect one season? For me the fitness coaches is a big one though. The nonsense is cringe worthy, I'd happily see him go if he actually believes it and doesn't make an effort to change. I don't think Martinez needs sacking, he needs to evolve tactically and stop the bs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 I'd not give credit to Moyes for the defense, we were rubbish at the back the last couple of seasons. Especially from set pieces. Plus how come the old regime would only effect one season? For me the fitness coaches is a big one though. The nonsense is cringe worthy, I'd happily see him go if he actually believes it and doesn't make an effort to change. I don't think Martinez needs sacking, he needs to evolve tactically and stop the bs. I would, I think under Moyes we were a very fit team which meant we could play for the full 90+ mins. under Martinez we seem to be knackered with 15/20 mins to go i think this is something that has led to a lot of errors.. Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 I love how Martinez boasts about about us having "Champions League away form" - yet the thing he fails to acknowledge is that we also simultaneously possess "League Two home form". This is the sort of thing that irks me to no end and he plays us for fools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 All this talk of moyes does my head in he left three years ago and I couldn't wait to see him go just like I can't wait to see Martinez go. I feel exactly the same then and now. I can't even be arsed watching us which says it all. Martinez has lost the dressing room and the players are simply not playing for him. We need a clear out. Starting with him then clearing out the old guard. Howard, Ossis ,peanuts,Hibbo and get a manager that will give out some bollockings markjazzbassist and Lowensda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Moyes shouts are awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Moyes shouts? So we can no longer refer to a previous manager. I was referring to Martinez's first year and the defense and fitness rates Moyes left behind. I wasnt suggesting he comes back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Moyes shouts? So we can no longer refer to a previous manager. I was referring to Martinez's first year and the defense and fitness rates Moyes left behind. I wasnt suggesting he comes back That wasn't aimed at you Dean and not in relation to your post. dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 That wasn't aimed at you Dean and not in relation to your post. Ah ok, my apologies :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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