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What's going to be better for Kenny’s development, sitting on the bench for us or playing regularly in Germany for a year? 

If he’s more of a winger then we definitely shouldn’t sign him. Let’s buy an actual right winger, rather than a failed right back. 

I wouldn't be taking any notice of any transfer stories at the moment. 

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10 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

doesn't make a ton of sense, he is 27.  i would rather someone younger to take the mantle from coleman.  this guy would also have no sell on value.

Well to be fair he is 26 (and just turned 26 this past July). I don't think he's better than Coleman, so while he would be excellent cover I think I'd like to have someone younger with a higher ceiling than Coleman.

EDIT: I stand corrected. He just turned 27.

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4 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

doesn't make a ton of sense, he is 27.  i would rather someone younger to take the mantle from coleman.  this guy would also have no sell on value.

Not all ( or even mostly) about age and sell on ability. Even so, he's close to 4 years younger than Coleman as his birthday was last week. Would give us some quality in the position for at least 2-3 years by which time Seamus is likely to be going the way of Baines. When that time comes we can look for "the future". We have quite a young squad now, I wouldn't want everyone we bring in to be 22.

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2 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

Well to be fair he is 26 (and just turned 26 this past July). I don't think he's better than Coleman, so while he would be excellent cover I think I'd like to have someone younger with a higher ceiling than Coleman.

EDIT: I stand corrected. He just turned 27.

Coleman is still at a level where it's probably not easy to buy a player who is a definite upgrade without spending big. We are spending a lot this window so I think it makes a lot of sense to bring in someone of a similar level without breaking the bank. No reason to do everything all at once. He seems like he could, at the least, push Seamus and sometime in the next 2-3 years we can find that long term replacement without feeling any panic. He obviously will no Digne as well which is a positive.

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3 minutes ago, Bill said:

Can't understand why they sent Jonjoe out on loan and then look to buy a fullback, JJ and Holgate could cover for seamus whenever they're needed.

Maybe they don't think JJ and Holgate are good enough and worry about Coleman's fitness or just think he needs upgrading as well?

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Just now, Makis said:

Maybe they don't think JJ and Holgate are good enough and worry about Coleman's fitness or just think he needs upgrading as well?

Probably this neither have filled me with confidence they will hope at least one of them cuts it though 

The German game will be good for Kenny so I'll hold some hope 

If he doesn't cut it we've got two competent RB's who won't cost the earth whilst we look elsewhere 

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Just now, EFC-Paul said:

Probably this neither have filled me with confidence they will hope at least one of them cuts it though 

The German game will be good for Kenny so I'll hold some hope 

If he doesn't cut it we've got two competent RB's who won't cost the earth whilst we look elsewhere 

Agreed. Not every move is going to be (or should be) earth shattering. If this happens it strikes me as a good, sensible piece of business. If Coleman starts to slip in a couple years then we can start looking for "the future".

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Just now, SpartyBlue said:

Agreed. Not every move is going to be (or should be) earth shattering. If this happens it strikes me as a good, sensible piece of business. If Coleman starts to slip in a couple years then we can start looking for "the future".

in a couple of years? He started to slip massively last season. Credit where it is due, he did pull himself together but still he needs solid competition, if not replacing, which this fella will do.

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Just now, aaron said:

in a couple of years? He started to slip massively last season. Credit where it is due, he did pull himself together but still he needs solid competition, if not replacing, which this fella will do.

He looked fine towards the end of last year and his been good this preseason. Whether it's one year or three it makes sense to get a solid RB in place now and look for the next big thing when that time comes.

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8 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said:

He looked fine towards the end of last year and his been good this preseason. Whether it's one year or three it makes sense to get a solid RB in place now and look for the next big thing when that time comes.

You should plan ahead for when your important players are coming to the end. You get the next one in before the time comes, not when they fall apart for the final time. 

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Just now, Romey 1878 said:

You should plan ahead for when your important players are coming to the end. You get the next one in before the time comes, not when they fall apart for the final time. 

We are, apparently, by signing a good RB with international experience for the World Champs who is nearly 4 years younger than our current guy at a time when Coleman still has something left.

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7 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said:

We are, apparently, by signing a good RB with international experience for the World Champs who is nearly 4 years younger than our current guy at a time when Coleman still has something left.

So Coleman plays for another year, maybe 2, and then this RB is first choice but is at the point where we need to be looking for his replacement! 

What we should be doing is signing Coleman’s long term replacement now (around the age of 23).  Either to come straight in now and relegate Coleman to a bench player (like Digne did to Baines) or to come in and be the long term RB after a season of watching. 

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7 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

So Coleman plays for another year, maybe 2, and then this RB is first choice but is at the point where we need to be looking for his replacement! 

What we should be doing is signing Coleman’s long term replacement now (around the age of 23).  Either to come straight in now and relegate Coleman to a bench player (like Digne did to Baines) or to come in and be the long term RB after a season of watching. 

Unless Kenny is the long term replacement, and this guy is cover / competition for Coleman and then make a decision on Kenny after his season long loan.

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9 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

So Coleman plays for another year, maybe 2, and then this RB is first choice but is at the point where we need to be looking for his replacement! 

What we should be doing is signing Coleman’s long term replacement now (around the age of 23).  Either to come straight in now and relegate Coleman to a bench player (like Digne did to Baines) or to come in and be the long term RB after a season of watching. 

Ignoring the age thing for a moment, I think the immediate financial considerations are getting lost here. We have spent a good bit already and have some players on the squad whose wages we may or may not be able to get off the books. Beyond that we've been attached to some large bids on wingers in this window and will want to bring in a CB most likely. I really doubt we'd have the ability to bring in a 23 year old RB who could come relegate a still very solid Coleman to the bench without spending a ton of money. Assuming that we can't just launch endless 40m bids on players, it makes a lot of sense to me to get a good RB for relatively cheap and address the future of the position in a couple of years when we will presumably have more available funds.

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5 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Unless Kenny is the long term replacement, and this guy is cover / competition for Coleman and then make a decision on Kenny after his season long loan.

This could be a factor. A good, solid RB addresses our immediate concerns while still allowing for Kenny to develop or a big future signing. It seems very sensible to me.

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3 hours ago, Aidan said:

Competition for Coleman.

We simply cannot full blown drop him for a new player, we owe that to him as a club and have to respect the influence and leadership he has on and off the pitch. 

He's an important player for us. 

In today’s world of sport, we don’t owe any player anything. They must win their position through ability and effort. The fact is that Coleman has blown hot and cold in the last 18 months. We need cover right now, and this would appear to be a good solution. For the long term, this position is Kenny’s for the taking. 

 

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14 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

In today’s world of sport, we don’t owe any player anything. They must win their position through ability and effort. The fact is that Coleman has blown hot and cold in the last 18 months. We need cover right now, and this would appear to be a good solution. For the long term, this position is Kenny’s for the taking. 

 

My point was Coleman should be given the chance for this guy to knock him off his pedestal. 

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