Hafnia Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Absolutely spot on! I happen to be friends with a rather well-known Cambridge professor, and we discussed this very point in relation to Richard Dawkins - who's as passionately committed to his 'religion' as any other person on earth. I hate Richard Dawkins and his arrogance. The pseudo intellects who try a debunk anything to do with religion... the irony is they hate the peddling side of it but none are more passionate about peddling their 'don't believe' message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcirony Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) Random events and increasing entropy don't create you universes and intelligent life. The more deeply I got into physics, the more I understood that. The older I get, the more I question the bit about life being intelligent. Similar to something Sir Francis Bacon said hundreds of years ago - "Dip your toe into philosophy and you find atheism - dive into philosophy and you find God" . Or something like that... At the time, philosophy and science/physics were virtually one in the same. Edited June 6, 2016 by MatthewT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Nobody knows for sure though do they. Speak for yourself. You're right, of course. Every belief system relies on faith, atheism as much as any other. Having had the privilege of studying and researching physics for several years, though, I count myself fortunate to have faced head-on some of the implications of our universe (the Anthropic Principle being perhaps the most mind-boggling) - which is why I laugh when I hear people claim that science disproves religion. It's no accident that most of the greatest scientists throughout history have been people with strong religious convictions. I hope Bassala Sambou realizes what he's done. It's always dangerous to discuss this topic (and politics), and I've probably said too much already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Speak for yourself. You're right, of course. Every belief system relies on faith, atheism as much as any other. Having had the privilege of studying and researching physics for several years, though, I count myself fortunate to have faced head-on some of the implications of our universe (the Anthropic Principle being perhaps the most mind-boggling) - which is why I laugh when I hear people claim that science disproves religion. It's no accident that most of the greatest scientists throughout history have been people with strong religious convictions. I hope Bassala Sambou realizes what he's done. It's always dangerous to discuss this topic (and politics), and I've probably said too much already. You can say what you like Steve, it's a forum and the reason this forum is THE best Everton forum is because you can do just that. Most others you would be banned or scolded for going off topic. Here, it's brilliant for that because one minute we are talking about a new up and coming player we've just signed, 10 post later people are debating the mysteries of the universe. Only at Toffee Talk would that be tolerated. Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 I'd like to think there is a God and that there's something after we die, but I just don't believe that there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 I'd like to think there is a God and that there's something after we die, but I just don't believe that there is. That's how I feel. The debate above is WAY above my head so I'm not commenting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 That's how I feel. The debate above is WAY above my head so I'm not commenting. I may not be religious or believe but I don't think anyone that does believe is stupid or anything like that. The only thing I don't like is if people preach at me about religion. If someone believes then fair play to them but don't try and ram it down my throat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Has anyone on here ever had or know anyone who experienced a near death experience? Whether you are religious or not - focus on the best thing in life - 'love'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Has anyone on here ever had or know anyone who experienced a near death experience? Whether you are religious or not - focus on the best thing in life - 'love'. I have but I was only three at the time so don't remember anything about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 I'd like to think there is a God and that there's something after we die, but I just don't believe that there is. That's where I'm at; there are zillions of people globally who believe passionately but my head just doesn't get it. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Thanks, Mark and Steve! Not to over-psychologize, but I've always found something profoundly Freudian about Dawkins' and other scientific atheists' obsession with disproving religion. Everyone I've known to go down that path seems to be repressed, and their militant atheism and absolute faith in "Science" is a liberating force. Anyhow, the great irony for me is that their immersion in anti-religion of course puts them in complete engagement with religion, both through the negation of those belief systems recognized as "religion" and through their steadfast belief in "Science," which is, itself, a discursively legitimated bundle of diverse fields that they are reifying as something that can singularly explain it all. Science, the religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 I may not be religious or believe but I don't think anyone that does believe is stupid or anything like that. The only thing I don't like is if people preach at me about religion. If someone believes then fair play to them but don't try and ram it down my throat. We had Jehovahs witnesses knocking a while back. First time they knocked I politely asked them not to knock any more, they tried to persist so I had to be blunt. Next day they knocked again, I explained and in their defence they left not without trying their luck once more. 2 days later they knocked again (2 old women) so i answered the door stark naked. They never tried to persuade me that day when I said I wasn't interested. They never knocked again after that although my wife still isn't fully talking to me. Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 We had Jehovahs witnesses knocking a while back. First time they knocked I politely asked them not to knock any more, they tried to persist so I had to be blunt. Next day they knocked again, I explained and in their defence they left not without trying their luck once more. 2 days later they knocked again (2 old women) so i answered the door stark naked. They never tried to persuade me that day when I said I wasn't interested. They never knocked again after that although my wife still isn't fully talking to me. Best answer to the the Witnesses at the door is, "Hi guys I'm Jehovah, how are we doing?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Best answer to the the Witnesses at the door is, "Hi guys I'm Jehovah, how are we doing?" Who eats beans onChristmas day doo dah, doo dah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Is this a football forum? This has gone very deep ?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Is this a football forum? This has gone very deep ?!! Paddocks back mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Wow this is like doing A-Level Christain Theology again! Was expecting an update on a promising young striker, and got this! Just to put another spin on the original 'thanking God' point, the cultural aspect can't be ignored. Faith, and identifying yourself as a person of faith, is very important in the African diaspora round the world - much like how Islam is very much a community thing, people tend to believe because it is embedded deeply into their cultural identity. Interestingly, what JoeQuince says about the rise of 'protestant capitalism', the hard-work ethic leading to association of wealth with 'grace', possibly went hand-in-hand with the collapse of the association of religion with community across Europe. Maybe once the majority gain access to at least the outeard trappings of wealth - high employment, cheap consummables, plenty to eat, decent housing - the need to associate such goid fortune with God disappears. Could go on for days about this so I'll stop there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Paddocks back mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Whatever helps people get through the day, if your beliefs help then great. Just don't kill people for not having the same belief as you. Romey 1878 and Lowensda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Whatever helps people get through the day, if your beliefs help then great. Just don't kill people for not having the same belief as you.Pretty much my thoughts in a nutshell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Whatever helps people get through the day, if your beliefs help then great. Just don't kill people for not having the same belief as you. Does that mean I have to stop killing Leeds fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 I'd expect the police to knock on the door with a post like that. But no, please continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 He comes across very well... nutmegwolf203 and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 He seems Genuinely made up, brilliant character and so important for him the be so humble. The kid might well go far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Wow very humble and happy to be here. I hope he makes it to the first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-everton-striker-bassala-sambou-11678711? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 So far, so good. Hope he keeps it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2016/07/29/sambou-delighted-to-get-off-the-mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shukes Posted September 15, 2018 Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 Niasse is mentoring him.... greaattt! Seriously though, his work ethic is a strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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