Matt Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54370226 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted October 1, 2020 Report Share Posted October 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Matt said: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54370226 Gove is something else, he claimed negotiations were going well with a couple of sticking points, but with good will on both sides things would get resolved. Good will requires trust I really can’t see the EU trusting us again Michael you absolute dick head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 MikeO, Palfy and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54706263 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-japan-trade-deal-liz-truss-exports-b1619263.html?fbclid=IwAR18Z82o8d_7GGQl0N5s61VDBFGvRu5puC8gqV7Xtm9GOj8e9qYNDMfQavU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 Some good news. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, pete0 said: Some good news. Haven’t the Government already said they’ll just put the clause back in if the vote went this way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Share Posted November 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Haven’t the Government already said they’ll just put the clause back in if the vote went this way? Does that mean we'll get a merry go round of them putting in and it getting voted out, or the gov just cracking on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 10, 2020 Report Share Posted November 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Haven’t the Government already said they’ll just put the clause back in if the vote went this way? They’ve said they will retable it. but it will be rejected again unless they’re mass changes to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 10, 2020 Report Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Matt said: They’ve said they will retable it. but it will be rejected again unless they’re mass changes to it. What an absolute shit show it all is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 10, 2020 Report Share Posted November 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Matt said: They’ve said they will retable it. but it will be rejected again unless they’re mass changes to it. The commons can sometimes use the Parliaments act to overrule the Lord's if they want. Very rarely invoked, last time was for the hunting ban act in 2004. From memory that was only the second time it was ever used so unsure on what legal basis it's allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 10, 2020 Report Share Posted November 10, 2020 I think its likely that the Lords would agree to the bill eventually. You don't hear of many going through this ping pong process without going through if the Commons want it to. Just because you don't hear it, it doesnt mean it doesnt happen I suppose! On Brexit itself I am amazed they are still pushing it through at this time. It just says to me that whatever happens it will be even more splash dash than it was going to be anywhere because they are more interested in getting it done than getting it done properly. MikeO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 10, 2020 Report Share Posted November 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Bailey said: I think its likely that the Lords would agree to the bill eventually. You don't hear of many going through this ping pong process without going through if the Commons want it to. Just because you don't hear it, it doesnt mean it doesnt happen I suppose! On Brexit itself I am amazed they are still pushing it through at this time. It just says to me that whatever happens it will be even more splash dash than it was going to be anywhere because they are more interested in getting it done than getting it done properly. Well you leavers were never going to get what you wanted, you were always going to be in a half way house, and as remainers new it would be the shit house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 10, 2020 Report Share Posted November 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Palfy said: Well you leavers were never going to get what you wanted, you were always going to be in a half way house, and as remainers new it would be the shit house. I didnt vote leave for this reason, in that I couldn't trust the government to carry it out successfully. Now that more and more time has passed and a certain virus has changed a lot over the past few months I must admit that leaving the EU just doesn't seem important anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 10, 2020 Report Share Posted November 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bailey said: I didnt vote leave for this reason, in that I couldn't trust the government to carry it out successfully. Now that more and more time has passed and a certain virus has changed a lot over the past few months I must admit that leaving the EU just doesn't seem important anymore. For me I care still as much about leaving the EU as I did when the country voted to leave, Covid hasn't diminished that in the slightest if anything it's added more to my concerns about leaving then before Covid was on the radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 On 10/11/2020 at 15:33, Bailey said: On Brexit itself I am amazed they are still pushing it through at this time. It just says to me that whatever happens it will be even more splash dash than it was going to be anywhere because they are more interested in getting it done than getting it done properly. Brexit happened earlier this year, it is done, the UK is a third country to the EU. The only thing that is ending on december 31st is the transition period, during which UK was still in the Single Market and Customs Union. The difference between no deal and the deal the UK wants is very small; in either case the disruption to trade and cooperation is going to be massive given the limited scope of the deal the UK is trying to get. (it is funny (tragic?) when you compare this to the promises made by Leave in 2016). Corona shock to the economy and brexit shock to the economy are very different. For an explainer, read this from a brexiteer advisor of May: 'There is a valid question as to whether the sheer breadth and depth of the economic harm caused by the pandemic means that the impact of Brexit will be largely irrelevant. Indeed, some have argued that given many economic sectors are having to overhaul the way they operate due to COVID-19, doing so for Brexit as well reduces the additional impact. But while there are elements of this argument which hold true, when you delve deeper, the reality is the two sets of economic impacts from Brexit and COVID-19 are more likely to compound each other than offset each other.' https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-coronavirus-uk-recession-economy-there-is-no-hiding/ Brace for 2021.. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted November 17, 2020 Report Share Posted November 17, 2020 Sorry to harp on about this but I'm getting overly annoyed with the absurdity of brexit. This is the week we're supposed to land on a trade deal. The deal on the table is very minimal. Both sides will take a huge economic hit from this. Not to speak of the damage done to judicial, police, security cooperation. EU citizens lose the right to live and work in the UK; UK citizens lose the right to live and work in 27 EU member states, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland. Great stuff. Meanwhile, for quite a while now, polls keep indicating UK citizens overwhelmingly think Brexit was the wrong decision. (latest figures : 51% wrong 38% right - it's not even close .. https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/). I guarantee you the next ten years of UK-EU relations will be spend negotiating deals which will after 10 years amount to pretty much the same relationship the EU and UK had before Brexit. As logic and common sense demand you cooperate with your close and important neighbour. The futility of it all.. MikeO, pete0 and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 17, 2020 Report Share Posted November 17, 2020 Switzerland won’t be affected, they struck a deal almost immediately holystove 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-06/the-12-reasonable-worst-case-outcomes-if-brexit-talks-collapse?fbclid=IwAR31yUl05TISbhFI7WwEcrsGG4W65GWZiV2J_bYbtLmxBehqiO-cajn7opA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, pete0 said: https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-06/the-12-reasonable-worst-case-outcomes-if-brexit-talks-collapse?fbclid=IwAR31yUl05TISbhFI7WwEcrsGG4W65GWZiV2J_bYbtLmxBehqiO-cajn7opA “There is no plan for no deal because we're going to get a great deal.” (Boris Johnson, 11 July 2017) Nothing to worry about then. Palfy and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 9 hours ago, MikeO said: “There is no plan for no deal because we're going to get a great deal.” (Boris Johnson, 11 July 2017) Nothing to worry about then. Can’t be true, everywhere worships Britain and can’t wait to give us the best deals! MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 Don't know how the vote can stand when it was all based on lies. Palfy and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45112872 Quote It's important to remember that the WTO's "most favoured nation" rules limit room for manoeuvre in the event of no deal. The UK couldn't for example lower tariffs for the EU alone, in order to keep trade going. It would have to treat the rest of the world in the same way, which could lead to cheap imports flooding the UK economy, and harming domestic businesses. I mean, of course it’ll hit the domestic businesses the most. Best of all, no one will be able to blame the EU the irony is just hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/fintan-o-toole-johnson-s-breaking-of-brexit-pledge-is-smart-arse-duplicity-1.4351880?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR3xRbgWIM8ucLjN2F9x3m05EP4wsiEKJh2ikUNGzNpRIla0WmCbe2tEn0I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 The delays at the ports are starting to impact businesses already, even companies the size of Honda with their wealth have had to shut there factory in Swindon because there parts are being held up at the ports, when the no deal which over 4 years ago was oven ready becomes official and the EU flex there muscles, tens of thousands are going to be in real peril of losing their jobs. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 Matt and Palfy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55286439 didn’t think the military would get involved this quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Matt said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55286439 didn’t think the military would get involved this quickly "A major sticking point in negotiations has been access to UK fishing waters, with the EU warning that without access to UK waters for its fleets, UK fishermen will no longer get special access to EU markets to sell their goods." So we want to leave the EU (we have), chuck Johnny Foreigner out of our fishing waters (Yay, Rule Britannia!) but still have preferential access to EU fish markets? Sounds fair. Bloody EU being totally unreasonble in the negotiations again Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 https://newsthump.com/2020/10/17/man-who-quit-gym-insists-he-still-has-an-australian-style-deal-with-them/?fbclid=IwAR1a7ILKTkycwEwKukmmYwRrqaaSlTVGBsoKisyEBQuje7bM6Uzbfuh5mHU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 https://newsthump.com/2020/12/21/brexiters-left-stunned-after-several-eu-countries-demonstrate-easy-control-of-their-own-borders/ markjazzbassist, Palfy, pete0 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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