Romey 1878 Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 just curious, but why? Because the world doesn't belong to politicians. If the people of these other countries want a choice whether to remain or not then they should have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 just curious, but why? So that the whole edifice can be rebuilt (democratically) without an upstairs for the elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 sold on false promises though. To echo the words of the late Robin Day (that I quoted before): You saw through that. Are you just smarter than everyone else? (The truth is, most people saw through it but didn't let that put them off voting for the 'right' reasons.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 just curious, but why? Because the way the EU is/was heading. If it had stayed as a union based purely on trading, no problem. But slowly and surely the EU is evolving in a way it was not meant to. European countries, and countries worldwide actually, can work together without having an 'EU'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Good. I hope the whole thing comes crashing down. I dont think its correct to imply other countries would vote to exit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I dont think its correct to imply other countries would vote to exit. Well Belgium certainly wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 It is reported that the value of Sterling has plummeted - I bet City wish they hadn't bought him now. markjazzbassist and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Because the way the EU is/was heading. If it had stayed as a union based purely on trading, no problem. But slowly and surely the EU is evolving in a way it was not meant to. European countries, and countries worldwide actually, can work together without having an 'EU'. If one of the founding principles of your organisation is "an ever closer union" it was exactly meant to be more than just a singe market. There are a lot of problems facing the world an Europe that, I believe, EU is much better equipped of handling (immigration, global warming, terrorism, international finance, ..) than every country individually. Britain always had one foot outside the door; I don't think there are a lot of implications for other countries leaving. Although I understand Farage highlighting certain far-right parties as it is in his best intrest to not have to face a bloc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Well Belgium certainly wouldn't. True. the Flemish blame the walloon, and the walloon blame everyone who is not a member of the socialist party for everything that goes wrong in the world .. So no need for a EU scapegoat . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Fair enough for your reasons. I still think you're wrong but hey, it's not a called a debate for no reason. If I have to leave my life here though, I'm coming for you :shaking fist: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) To echo the words of the late Robin Day (that I quoted before): You saw through that. Are you just smarter than everyone else? (The truth is, most people saw through it but didn't let that put them off voting for the 'right' reasons.) im certainly not smarter but I invested the time to justify my opinion. Got to say, this thread has been enlightening with some very good points for Leave, and I went from being "this is stupid" to "ok, it's not as clear cut as I thought". My anger isn't directed at the people here, I respect nearly everyone on the forum, but directed at the people who didn't put any thought into it. Edited June 24, 2016 by Matt Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 It is reported that the value of Sterling has plummeted - I bet City wish they hadn't bought him now. lol well played john. sterling burns are never out of vogue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 It is reported that the value of Sterling has plummeted - I bet City wish they hadn't bought him now. Supposedly 125billion lost overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Supposedly 125billion lost overnight. couldn't be happier, i haven't been able to do Europe since i last toured there with a band since it's so expensive. now with the Pound dropping i might be able to actually visit an Everton match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 If one of the founding principles of your organisation is "an ever closer union" it was exactly meant to be more than just a singe market. There are a lot of problems facing the world an Europe that, I believe, EU is much better equipped of handling (immigration, global warming, terrorism, international finance, ..) than every country individually. Britain always had one foot outside the door; I don't think there are a lot of implications for other countries leaving. Although I understand Farage highlighting certain far-right parties as it is in his best intrest to not have to face a bloc. We'll still face problems together on a worldwide scale. We've only voted put of the EU as it is, we haven't voted to leave the world behind. The UK will still help in combating terrorism. We will still be a player in the world that we live. But let's be honest, some other issues we face will always exist. And we do help cause those problems in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 couldn't be happier, i haven't been able to do Europe since i last toured there with a band since it's so expensive. now with the Pound dropping i might be able to actually visit an Everton match. Better be quick because it will, and is, climbing again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 couldn't be happier, i haven't been able to do Europe since i last toured there with a band since it's so expensive. now with the Pound dropping i might be able to actually visit an Everton match.not the best reason mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Better be quick because it will, and is, climbing again! dangit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 anyone care to describe each of the potential successors? Boris Johnson Theresa May Michael Gove what are they like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) anyone care to describe each of the potential successors? Boris Johnson - Fumbling Fool Theresa May - About as much character as a potato Michael Gove - A weasel what are they like? Edited June 24, 2016 by Lowensda Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 anyone care to describe each of the potential successors? Boris Johnson Theresa May Michael Gove what are they like? fuck me. We've been laughing at the US because Trump has a chance and now we're left with those 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I, for one, am extremely proud that the British public decided to be brave and take control of their own destiny. I'll be even prouder if it comes to pass that our bravery gave other countries the courage to ask for change as well. And that won't half fly in the face of the claims that Brexit would diminish our influence. Effecting monumental change across Europe? I think that's pretty influential myself. I must say I'm loving that this result has got politicians scrambling round as it dawns on them that the people put them where they are and they damn well tear them right back down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 fuck me. We've been laughing at the US because Trump has a chance and now we're left with those 3? time to apply for that US green card since your wife is american. we'll welcome you with open arms mate, come visit in new orleans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games! Axis of Evil must have convened a meeting, only reason i could think he would be over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 time to apply for that US green card since your wife is american. we'll welcome you with open arms mate, come visit in new orleans. not a chance mate. Human rights in the US is horrendous. Wondering how this affects my daughter this afternoon. She should still apply for citizenship, we were going to sort out her passport when we visit in August. Poor girl is going to be nations of GB and the US. A few years ago that was something to be excited about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MikeO Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games! Scotland voted 62/38 to stay in Donald. They plan to hold another independence referendum and rejoin. Place is quite likely going wild, but not for the reason you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Scotland voted 62/38 to stay in Donald. They plan to hold another independence referendum and rejoin. Place is quite likely going wild, but not for the reason you think. Could be the end of the uk. Scotland Independence, N Ireland absorbs into Ireland. Some heavy shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Could be the end of the uk. Scotland Independence, N Ireland absorbs into Ireland. Some heavy shit. Second bit won't happen; the North are very patriotic (the protestant majority that is), but they did vote approx 56/44 to stay in. Won't follow Scotland though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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