Hafnia Posted June 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Big leave vote again there basildon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) Watching on bbc, very good coverage. scotland heavily remain results. Interesting Edited June 24, 2016 by markjazzbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) Drowning out my brain with Crippled Black Phoenix and cant fucking sleep. This shouldn't even be a discussion let alone close Edited June 24, 2016 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith B Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Crazy stuff, I actually thought this was sort of a joke thing. Obviously not. A lot of people really want to leave. Wow. I mean, you do you England, we've got our own crazy shit here in the US, but still. Crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith B Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I saw a tweet that the Queen could step in and overrule the vote (if it is for exit). Is that true? Would it be accepted as legitimate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 The vote to leave would have no legal standing, but it is likely to be upheld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Whoohoo! Now the EU will be forced to separate political union from economic union. If they have the courage to do that, Britain will remain part of an economic union - what was once called the Common Market. We would embrace that, right? But we no longer have to cede power to European leaders and allow them to undermine the traditional British way - which can best be defined as "fair play." Glad to see that Wales (and Cornwall, from anecdotal reports) were strongly for the Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Very sad. Pound drops to lowest levels since 1985. I'd like to leave (if I could afford to). But fair enough to those that called it, I blame John's family personally, beat the odds big time. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I agree with Steve (thank you for not using the word bureaucrat in your post ). 99% of legislation from the EU still has to do with the Common Market though, so all those regulations and rules you feel hold Britain back, will still apply if you want to remain in the Common Market. Don't think Farage would go for that. The idea of a two-speed Europe has existed for a long time, where you'd have a core Europe with deeper integration and then other countries who are not (yet) ready for such integration (because they are too weak economically, or they have a strong cultural/historical adversity towards unity between European states, or ...). Theoretically this Core Europe would then have a "centripetal effect", a magnetic attraction for the rest of Europe. Geert Wilders (the Dutch anti-Islam facsist) has already congratulated the UK and calls for a vote in the Netherlands; so has the Vlaams Belang (Flemish very right wing party); .. I think it's a bit early to have referenda on membership in all these countries (although I the dutch and belgian would be firmly in). First we need to see how the UK-exit is handled. Think Cameron should resign now (also if Remain had won); he just split his country in two. Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) Very sad. Pound drops to lowest levels since 1985. I'd like to leave (if I could afford to). But fair enough to those that called it, I blame John's family personally, beat the odds big time. . I'm sorry Mike . My affinity for all (UK) Toffeetalk members was the only reason I would have been pleased with a Remain vote; It sucks to be on the losing side of a near 50-50 vote, especially if you see Farage on the other side. Silver lining: he's out of a job now, right? Edited July 14, 2016 by holystove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I said earlier that it would 40-30 to stay in, people must have really been serious about this, they didnt sit on the fence as I thought they would. May take a while to settle down but I think Britain can handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 It sucks to be on the losing side of a near 50-50 vote, especially if you see Farage on the other side. Silver lining: he's out of a job now, right? Said that earlier in the thread, if the purpose of UKIP was achieved would they bugger off; but I expect the smarmy c*nt will now have his feet well and truly under the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) Said that earlier in the thread, if the purpose of UKIP was achieved would they bugger off; but I expect the smarmy c*nt will now have his feet well and truly under the table. Hugh Laurie Retweeted Big Sexy Jeb! Lund @Mobute 59m59 minutes ago Big Sexy Jeb! Lund Retweeted Katharine Viner We're not often classier in America, but we usually give it at least 12 hours before doing a 180 on our worst lies. Big Sexy Jeb! Lund added, Katharine Viner @KathVinerFarage: it was a mistake for Vote Leave to say it could save £350m/week by leaving the EU and give the £ to the NHS https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-result-live-counting-leave-remain-brain-in-europe?page=with:block-576cc69ae4b030d83eb4a143&CMP=share_btn_tw#block-576cc69ae4b030d83eb4a143 … rob delaney Retweeted Mark P @gomark 1h1 hour ago Mark P Retweeted Anushka Asthana I hate it when I accidentally laser-cut a huge mistake onto the side of a fucking 20-foot bus Mark P added, Anushka Asthana @GuardianAnushkaNigel Farage says no we won't be able to spend £350m to the NHS... That was a mistake for Vote Leave to say that, he says... Edited June 24, 2016 by holystove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) Get in. Edit - or out . Edited June 24, 2016 by Romey 1878 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Piss people off long enough and this is what happens. No one in my mind has voted for boris or farage... they have voted for the ability to have more control of our destiny. Its a bold step but this country is the 5th latgest economy in the world and not because it was in the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Piss people off long enough and this is what happens. No one in my mind has voted for boris or farage... they have voted for the ability to have more control of our destiny. Its a bold step but this country is the 5th latgest economy in the world and not because it was in the EU. First thing you wrote is true. Elites depress wages & economic mobility, saddle people with debt. Then get surprised as demagogues win by giving people convenient scapegoats. Second thing you wrote is, according to every economist who is not in the "Economists for Brexit" camp, wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 My forecast of 55% leave 45% remain wasn't that far out 52% - 48%. Good, tolerant, interesting, intelligent thread this. Not surprising as its on Toffeetalk. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I don't think this result will result in doomsday predictions of the remain camp, but I don't think it'll be as easy as the leave camp have made out either. It'll be hard at first but we'll get through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 My next forecast is: prepare for the next referendum when the EU come back with a proposal for a raft of changes. If they are what Cameron should have got in the first place then I will likely vote remain. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Time for a strong leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Time for a strong leader. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Very sad. Pound drops to lowest levels since 1985. I'd like to leave (if I could afford to). But fair enough to those that called it, I blame John's family personally, beat the odds big time. . It was always going to happen and rose slightly yesterday which made the decrease look slightly worse today It will steady out over time it will take around two years to "fully leave" and in that time the hard negotiations will take place ala Norway Switzerland etc Rome wasn't built in a day and I'm hoping over time it will be shown to be the right decision Matt do you know if any of the bilateral agreements put in place by the likes of Norway cover the likes of yourself? Hopefully so and we see something similar happen here for the likes of yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Time for a strong leader. And a new Chancellor of the Exchequer. Preferably no connection with Eton for either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 David Cameron clearly lacks the confidence to lead the UK in challenging times so it is right he resigned, although he had a duty to stay and deliver the will of the people. I see him as a modern Clement Attlee; he needs to replaced with the modern Winston Churchill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 We are continually told that winning is all the matters, and that beliefs and principles are secondary. I agree that you have to win, but if you do by forgetting or by completely compromising what you truly believe, then you lose in the end. David Cameron clearly believed that Britain should remain a member of the EU, but chose to have a referendum to make sure that he won in 2015, so he could lead a Conservative Government, and be PM again. By the time he resigns he'll have managed to do that for at most 17 months. 17 months of 'winning' is apparently the price of our EU membership and our future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 All the faux moral outrage on social media is sickening. People being criticised for voting out - as if every single one is some knuckle dragging stella swigging racist with zero IQ. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Seems like pressure is mounting in other countries in the EU to follow suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Seems like pressure is mounting in other countries in the EU to follow suit.of course it will. 70 years of progress undone because some bellend wanted to win an election campaign. Incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I don't think much will change in the upcoming future. The pound did tumble down, but is already starting to come back again. The currency was always going to have a little turbulence while the mega rich played chess with their bank accounts. We don't just leave today. Nothing happens straight away. We have to give our official notice...then a 2 year count down begins. Might take a while to 'hand in our notice'. We'll still trade with the EU. We'll still adopt relative laws to keep us competitive. A big wire fence doesn't just suddenly appear around the UK. We will still work with the EU. But we'll do it in a way that best suits our nation and our country. What's wrong with that? Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Seems like pressure is mounting in other countries in the EU to follow suit. Someone in Sinn Fein is calling for a referendum for Norn Iron to decide if they wish to join Ireland in the EU as the majority of Norn iron voters voted to remain. Someone in Cornwall Council is wanting reassurances from the UK Government that they will match the EU funding they have been receiving now the result is known. http://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/update/2016-06-24/cornwall-pleas-for-reassurance-it-will-not-be-worse-off-following-brexit-vote/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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