Palfy Posted December 6, 2019 Report Share Posted December 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: You think that's bad?https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/21/world-26-richest-people-own-as-much-as-poorest-50-per-cent-oxfam-report That’s mental, I wonder if they ever sit down and take time to consider that with just a small percentage of their wealth, they have the power to change life’s of most of the world’s poorest who live in utter poverty, and they personally wouldn’t know they had even done it. This is why we need to get rid of your Trumps and Boris’s of this world and replace them with leaders who have a social conscience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 6, 2019 Report Share Posted December 6, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-50681041/neil-to-johnson-not-too-late-for-election-interview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 6, 2019 Report Share Posted December 6, 2019 He'll do this though, must've been really challenging Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 7, 2019 Report Share Posted December 7, 2019 https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-is-the-most-smeared-politician-in-history/18/07/?fbclid=IwAR2uGvkXz-dCTfHpRSTqUGpjcxmyo3fW0VbHBO48MBrwvhjinR6Z2mi0P64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Keith B Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Pulling for Labour here in the US. Get out and vote (for labour)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Keith B said: Pulling for Labour here in the US. Get out and vote (for labour)! It really is a matter of life and death. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: It really is a matter of life and death. Bookies reckon about 4/9 on a tory majority and 2/1 on no overall majority. Very tight and they've been wrong recently so we live in hope. Sort of. I've resigned myself to a Johnson win psychologically because if I didn't the hope would destroy me. Anyway three votes contributed from us just now so it's down to the other forty-six odd million of you. Do the right thing. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 I don't know what they're basing it on but "no overall majority" is creeping back in the odds, 6/4 now in some cases with tories 1/2 at best. *will not get hopes up* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Only four candidates in my constituency to choose from the two ladies running the station said it was a very high turnout. This was the Ist time in my life I never voted labour I feel very disappointed with myself, but in 2017 election Labour only won 7% of the votes here, so I voted tactically for LibDems in the hope of trying to stop Brexit. We need to have proportional representation in this country so that know matter were you live you know your vote will count even if you’re surrounded by a load of pompous Tory twats. MikeO, pete0, Formby and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Palfy said: We need to have proportional representation in this country so that know matter were you live you know your vote will count even if you’re surrounded by a load of pompous Tory twats. No-brainer but it'll never happen because it'd involve Labour and tory MPs doing a "turkeys voting for Christmas" job. FPTP has worked for the two of them for a hundred years and there's no way they'll let that go. It stinks. Palfy and Formby 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, MikeO said: No-brainer but it'll never happen because it'd involve Labour and tory MPs doing a "turkeys voting for Christmas" job. FPTP has worked for the two of them for a hundred years and there's no way they'll let that go. It stinks. Sadly you are right, so we shall just have to step in line I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Ah fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Devastated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Thank you to all the selfish cunts that have fucked the country and will be responsible for more death and misery. But they’ll be fine so they won’t be arsed. MikeO and pete0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 51 minutes ago, Latchford9 said: I've still got the image of him at CND rallies wanting unilateral nuclear disarmament when I was in the army in Germany in the 1980's. Because we've needed the weapons so many times in the last forty years haven't we? How many billions chucked down the toilet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, RPG said: I couldn't vote as I have been disenfranchised but I am very happy that Corbyn not only lost but appears to have ended his political career. For Labour to operate as a credible opposition now they need to rid themselves of Corbyn, Abbott, Mcdonnell and Thornberry. The markets are loving the exit poll and the £ is rocketing in value. You have not been disenfranchised at all, you decided to leave the country of your own free will some twenty odd years ago, which by doing so means you voluntarily gave up your right to a vote which would be the same for anyone who chose your course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, RPG said: You obviously don't understand the defence policy of NATO since WW2. The reason we have not had a war is because of our nuclear deterrent. No nuclear weapons = no deterrent = far higher risk of war. It really is that simple. Korea, Falklands, Iraqi were they not wars that we were involved in, and you could say maybe the Panama Canal conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, RPG said: No Palfy my old mate you are quite wrong. For the first 15 years after I left UK I still had the vote. I was disenfranchised only after 15 years as an expat. Incidentally, the tory party are looking at reinstating full voting rights for UK expats without any time limit. Pleased to see some certainty now in UK politics. I believe the same message is also coming put of Brussels. The last thing EU wanted was another hung Parliament. The law may have changed but that still doesn’t make you disenfranchised, you need to check what it means to be disenfranchised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, RPG said: Well, the letter I gor from MP agreed that I had been disenfranchised. I'll take his view over yours on the matter I think. No don’t do that look at what disenfranchised means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, RPG said: Indeed. But Korea did not have nuclear weapons. Falklands was classed as a conflict rather than a war. An exercise in semantics maybe but we still needed to project our power over 8000 miles to regain the Falklands. Iraq, similarly, is a non nuclear state. The country missing from your list of course is Russia. And the reason it is missing is because we have nuclear weapons and it knows what would happen if ever it launched first. Ergo, nuclear deterrence works. Conventional skirmishes will always happen but you cannot 'uninvent' technology so thete has to be nuclear parity. Various treaties have been signed to reduce the number of warheads each side has, which in turn reduces costs. But a deterrent really is necessary. Revisit your first comment which you clearly stated, that since WW2, we have not had a war because of our nuclear deterrent, wrong. Now I’m going to disenfranchise you and not discuss with you further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, RPG said: We have avoided nuclear war. If you read all my posts you will also see that I stated conventional conflicts will always occur. Since we can't 'uninvent' nuclear weapons it becomes vital that we have nuclear parity. To do otherwise is foolhardy. Yes you did when you started back tracking on your first post, which was shown to be in factual, that’s why so many don’t like debating with you on here, you can never admit when you’re wrong, you would rather lie or try and move the goalposts. Honestly you’re such a fucking dick mate it’s embarrassing to watch you squirm your way around to try and prove you are never wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Labour missed an open goal and its all on Corbyn. With almost anyone else in charge we would have seen a very different result. Lib Dems were hurt by tactical voting and some very large tactical errors. If they had campaigned on a second referendum instead of revoking A50 they probably would have done a lot better. i cant believe that voters think Boris is the answer. Tories lied in 88% of their online ads. You have shit in your own bed and now you will have to lie in it. MikeO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 11 hours ago, MikeO said: Ah fuck. Was always going to happen, this was basically just the Brexit referendum mark 2 but with parties involved. The general population couldn’t be trusted the first time around but when it came to the GE, their frustration and blind ignorance over Brexit overcame party loyalty or long term vision. GB wants a dictator, it’s going to get one and it all started with the fucking referendum. This is as much on leave voters as it is conservative voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 I am glad that the Lib Dem’s failed miserably in their attempt to buy a vote, and that the SNP did well enough that it might get its indyref2 - didn’t agree with the first one but having seeing what it’s like when a foreign government “leading” a union is actually dictating for the other countries, I’d want to leave too. DUP another that’s suffered from dealing with the devil too it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 10 hours ago, MikeO said: Because we've needed the weapons so many times in the last forty years haven't we? How many billions chucked down the toilet? MAD innit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted December 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Assuming Brexit now happens, Remainer's do have a major consolation. At least they now know that 'democracy' has prevailed. We came very close to destroying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, johnh said: Assuming Brexit now happens, Remainer's do have a major consolation. At least they now know that 'democracy' has prevailed. We came very close to destroying it. Good to see you back, John, even if I completely disagree with the post Formby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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