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33 minutes ago, Quinn31 said:

Madness. Our manager could be Unsworth or Allardyce or Simeone. Baffling.

However, it does show you how far apart the two board factions are. Bill wants Unsworth while Moshiri wants Simeone

i don't think moshiri knows who he wants.  he's going for "big names" because he thinks it will raise the stature of the club and they'll do well.  to bill's credit, moyes and martinez did a great job overall (we were never relegated and both got us far in Cups and into Europe on little funds).  

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9 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

i don't think moshiri knows who he wants.  he's going for "big names" because he thinks it will raise the stature of the club and they'll do well.  to bill's credit, moyes and martinez did a great job overall (we were never relegated and both got us far in Cups and into Europe on little funds).  

Dear God no.

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11 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Rumour is Unsworth has been given the job until the end of the season, not sure how I feel about that to be honest

 

Interesting... I'm not sure what to think either. I am made up for him and I have no doubt that he will do everything he can to make it a success however whether that will be good enough is a different story.  I hope it is.

 

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31 minutes ago, nogs said:

If true I'm made up. It means we won't get Allardyce, and it gives one of our own a fair crack of the whip. I'm not saying he'll be a roaring success for sure, but he deserves a chance. I am confident we won't go down with him in charge, I think home form will see to that. So let's see what he's got tactically, whether he can rehabilitate the awful summer signings, how well he does bringing his young uns on, and what he can so working with Walsh in the January window. What we know we'll get it passion and complete dedication to the cause. 

If he smashes it, we have our permanent manager.

If he rescues us and has a decent season, we are in a better position to hire a long term manager because its in the offseason and the new man could immediately have a transfer window and hopefully we will have finished in a reasonable enough position/made a few signings that make us an attractive landing spot. Plus, Unsworth then has a decent managerial spell under his belt that he could take to another club (Please!)

If we continue to struggle/look relegation material, then we'll be less excited and maybe need to look at a survival specialist in January or February.

Seriously, in this league, 50 points will keep us safe by a mile and would probably mean that we are 8th or 9th in the league.... Just get us 50 points. 

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Lets be realistic here. We got back into that game with a huge error by their reserve goalkeeper and we were dreadful for most part of that game. It was a freak game and giving Unsworth credit for that when so many things went in our favour is foolish. His record is 3 losses and a freak win from 4 and apart from effort, I have seen no improvement in our defence or chances created. Everyone says he knows the players and this and that, so he has an advantage but he has played different players and formations every game. And deployed people in several different positions. I think it's a huge gamble for him to get the job until the end of the season. You may as well say to him, we'll let you keep hold of it until the end of the season but if we lose a couple on the spin, were getting Big Sam in. I hope not, but that's likely to happen.

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I understand if the board decide to give it to Unsworth, they know what their getting with him, everybody else is  unknown quality.

A short term answer to a long standing mess up, if anybody can get the players wanting to wear the Royal Blue shirt, it Unsworth.   I,m in the i hope he does get it class.

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Can't see how this works for Unsworth, we give him the job till the end of the season then what, he'll have to get us into the top 8 at the very least for him to be given the job fulltime, and I can't see him doing that, he's just not ready yet. So at the end of the season will he just be ok to go back to the U23. If he's poor and sacked will he go back to the U23, he's in a no win situation for me, however the man a passionate Evertonian and will give everything for the club so he's got my backing.

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2 hours ago, patto said:

Pad we are in a relegation fight no matter who gets the job and are you not giving any credit to Watford they will win a fair share of their games.

I’m giving them plentry of credit apatto, they will feel very hard done to and wuite rightly so we were lucky.

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12 hours ago, sydneyneil said:

Lets be realistic here. We got back into that game with a huge error by their reserve goalkeeper and we were dreadful for most part of that game. It was a freak game and giving Unsworth credit for that when so many things went in our favour is foolish. His record is 3 losses and a freak win from 4 and apart from effort, I have seen no improvement in our defence or chances created. Everyone says he knows the players and this and that, so he has an advantage but he has played different players and formations every game. And deployed people in several different positions. I think it's a huge gamble for him to get the job until the end of the season. You may as well say to him, we'll let you keep hold of it until the end of the season but if we lose a couple on the spin, were getting Big Sam in. I hope not, but that's likely to happen.

How is giving the manager credit for making the substitutions which got us back into the game foolish? What was it again - Lookman with the assist for the Niasse goal, DCL equalised, Lennon won the penalty for the winner?? Yeah I see what you mean, how could we possibly give Unsworth credit for any of that?! 

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6 hours ago, JimmytheJimster said:

Can't see how this works for Unsworth, we give him the job till the end of the season then what, he'll have to get us into the top 8 at the very least for him to be given the job fulltime, and I can't see him doing that, he's just not ready yet. So at the end of the season will he just be ok to go back to the U23. If he's poor and sacked will he go back to the U23, he's in a no win situation for me, however the man a passionate Evertonian and will give everything for the club so he's got my backing.

I know this doesn't make you a good manager, but I agree with the sentiment. I'd rather have him than Big Sam.

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38 minutes ago, nogs said:

How is giving the manager credit for making the substitutions which got us back into the game foolish? What was it again - Lookman with the assist for the Niasse goal, DCL equalised, Lennon won the penalty for the winner?? Yeah I see what you mean, how could we possibly give Unsworth credit for any of that?! 

exactly he got it spot on.  plus the players still fought from being down 2-0 something they weren't doing for Koeman so it shows he has the dressing room.  i say keep him.

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2 hours ago, nogs said:

How is giving the manager credit for making the substitutions which got us back into the game foolish? What was it again - Lookman with the assist for the Niasse goal, DCL equalised, Lennon won the penalty for the winner?? Yeah I see what you mean, how could we possibly give Unsworth credit for any of that?! 

Your missing the point... Unsworth was managing. 

If it was Koeman then ye he deserves credit as Watford we’re suprisingly better than we thought. 

But it was Unsworth so their first goal was not because we gifted it them, the subs were lucky, Niasses goal was due to a mistake... nothing to do with him sneaking in front of the keeper... that only counts against us, and then we were lucky to stay in it.....as they had so many chances after that, and we had none?.... sigh! 

Get with the program man! We only win deservedly ... when someone else is at the helm!

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1 minute ago, Shukes said:

Your missing the point... Unsworth was managing. 

If it was Koeman then ye he deserves credit as Watford we’re suprisingly better than we thought. 

But it was Unsworth so their first goal was not because we gifted it then, the subs were lucky, Niasses goal was due to a mistake... nothing to do with him sneaking in front of the keeper... that o or counts against us, and then we were lucky to stay in it.....as they had so many chances after that and we had none?.... sigh! 

Get with the program man! We only win deservedly ... when someone else is at the helm!

Ah I see now... I'll try to change my thinking accordingly! 

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Just now, nogs said:

Ah I see now... I'll try to change my thinking accordingly! 

Joking aside, I do think a few fans will do whatever they can do discredit Unsworth no matter how he does. He deserved massive credit for Watford but instead received the usual... its only because Watford are so poor!

cue the ... I would love Unsworth to prove me wrong but the fact is Watford we’re so poor blah blah blah!

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7 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Joking aside, I do think a few fans will do whatever they can do discredit Unsworth no matter how he does. He deserved massive credit for Watford but instead received the usual... its only because Watford are so poor!

cue the ... I would love Unsworth to prove me wrong but the fact is Watford we’re so poor blah blah blah!

Same with any manager. Just judge it on results and performances ffs! 

I wasn't impressed with Koeman when he came in, thought his record as a manager was average at best. But he won me round last season because we had a strong second half of the season. That's all that matters - Everton doing well. Unless we're talking Allardyce. There has to be a line somewhere. 

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Totally agree. I do t care who is fancied and I fancied. All I care about is how Everton perform.

i admit to having a soft spot for Unsworth, but if he can’t tirn it around then I want him replaced. We are Everton, not any singular entity. 

So far I have witnessed far more progression even in defeat than in the last 6 months of dire Football. First time I have saw is fight at 0-2 down for a long long time. Haven’t heard the crowd so loud since going to watch Birmingham city either.

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Yep that's it. I like Unsworth too. I liked Martinez and all. By Christmas of his third season I was calling for him to be gone as loud as anyone because he wasn't good for Everton football club. If Unsworth is given till the summer and we're in a relegation scrap all season I won't be defending him. 

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I give up liking managers.....the bastards!!!

Whoever we do get, I hope we all get right behind them (exception is Fat Sam). They will also try a few different ways (formations, positions, roles) to get the best 11 from this inflated and unbalanced squad. Thats the situation we are in at the moment. Thats the reality.

We can't keep barking like we are now.

And we are not relegation fodder!!!

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6 hours ago, nogs said:

How is giving the manager credit for making the substitutions which got us back into the game foolish? What was it again - Lookman with the assist for the Niasse goal, DCL equalised, Lennon won the penalty for the winner?? Yeah I see what you mean, how could we possibly give Unsworth credit for any of that?! 

The Niasse goal, which got us back in it was a huge goalkeeping error. And prior to that we were getting smashed 2-0 and they had missed a sitter (Charlison). You're crediting a manager with making subs when we are 2-0 down? Really???? And he brought on attacking players??? When we are 2-0 down??? Wow!

Please sense the sarcasm.......

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1 hour ago, sydneyneil said:

The Niasse goal, which got us back in it was a huge goalkeeping error. And prior to that we were getting smashed 2-0 and they had missed a sitter (Charlison). You're crediting a manager with making subs when we are 2-0 down? Really???? And he brought on attacking players??? When we are 2-0 down??? Wow!

Please sense the sarcasm.......

Fans moan endlessly about managers making the wrong subs. How about a little bit of credit where credit is due when it works out? 

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OK, I understand. Ill give him the credit for making the subs. It's just that in the grand scheme of game management at 2-0 down with half an hour to go I don't think he had any other options, if you get what I mean. I really hope I'm wrong about Unsworth and he keeps us up comfortably. Unsworth isn't the problem in all of this. He's just going to get the criticism if things dont go well in the next month or two and he's still in charge. We can't seem to attract the manager we want right now and we are left in limbo with a January transfer window approaching. An interim appointment of David Unsworth would be slightly defeatist in our quest for a new manager. It also puts Unsworth under unnecessary huge pressure of which he has no experience. I really hope it doesn't damage his quest for a new position elsewhere if things don't go well. I think right now would be a great time for Championship clubs to be looking at him, now he has some experience at Everton and allowing him to prove what he says he is. We have been promised huge investment and a project to break us into the top 4. This isn't the time to blood novice managers, it's the time for us to show our ambition and put Everton on the European map again. We thought we were getting there at the start of the season. One good appointment again and investment in January and we are back there. It look slike we could be waiting until the Summer though and that, as I said, puts huge pressure on Unsworth....  

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1 hour ago, sydneyneil said:

The Niasse goal, which got us back in it was a huge goalkeeping error. And prior to that we were getting smashed 2-0 and they had missed a sitter (Charlison). You're crediting a manager with making subs when we are 2-0 down? Really???? And he brought on attacking players??? When we are 2-0 down??? Wow!

Please sense the sarcasm.......

We missed two "sitters" also.

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But if we can get a manager that gets Everton and wins things, then isn’t that better? That’s what people want Pad. 

I honestly don’t see what manager is going to walk through the door and turn us into a top six team in two weeks, I don’t think there is one out there. 

In that respect, we shouldn’t write anyone else off for not doing the same. A fair crack of the whip means exactly that, Fair!

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The reason we are where we are is the previous manager did not get Everton. Turned us into a soulless side... 

A manager getting everton is not the only criteria but for me the new managèr needs to understand or want to become part of the club.... not just a fucking employee earning shit loads of cash whilst living in a rented house or hotel away from his family. 

 

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30 minutes ago, hafnia said:

The reason we are where we are is the previous manager did not get Everton. Turned us into a soulless side... 

A manager getting everton is not the only criteria but for me the new managèr needs to understand or want to become part of the club.... not just a fucking employee earning shit loads of cash whilst living in a rented house or hotel away from his family. 

 

Yes this is right, soulless and just earning cash.

i want Unsworth to get the job and to succeed as he is the opposite of Koeman, if not, then someone who has some passion, cos thats what football is all about for me.

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I proper enjoyed Martinez and his whole getting Everton thing. It was lovely that he knew our history etc while we struggled in the league. It really made up for things like. Not.

I didn't enjoy the start of this season under Koeman either mind.

What I'm trying to say is that it's performance that matters. I don't need a manager to love Everton, to get Everton, I just want them to get us winning. Same goes goes for the players - loving the club isn't important to me, I (and every Evertonian) have enough love for the club, I just want them to their job and win football games for us.

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For me it's not about getting Everton either. You can poo poo the age group all you want, Unsworth has shown he can win matches at U23 level, and is arguably the best there is in that competition right now. I believe in giving people a chance to step up and not writing them off before they've had a chance. Like I've said, if he isn't up to it, fair does. But as there's no one else with a better pedigree knocking the door down, I say give him the rest of this season. 

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10 minutes ago, nogs said:

For me it's not about getting Everton either. You can poo poo the age group all you want, Unsworth has shown he can win matches at U23 level, and is arguably the best there is in that competition right now. I believe in giving people a chance to step up and not writing them off before they've had a chance. Like I've said, if he isn't up to it, fair does. But as there's no one else with a better pedigree knocking the door down, I say give him the rest of this season. 

I would absolutely love for him to take the opportunity (if it happens) and for him to do well for us. I'm a massive fan of his. It's just a big gamble and I do worry it could go tits up.

I'm as worried for him about it as I am for the club and our season. I would hate for a bad experience to tarnish him with something that he may never be able to shift.

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

What I'm trying to say is that it's performance that matters. I don't need a manager to love Everton, to get Everton, I just want them to get us winning. Same goes goes for the players - loving the club isn't important to me, I (and every Evertonian) have enough love for the club, I just want them to their job and win football games for us.

I don't think that it matters greatly either but, as Shukes said, it would be brilliant if the person doing their job and getting the wins was an Evertonian wouldn't it? There's also the fact (that I've already pointed out) that "if you know your history" every trophy we've won since before WW2 was with an ex-player at the helm. Is that coincidence?

Edit: Even Thomas McIntosh who ran us from 1919 to 1935 and won the FA Cup and the league title twice (and signed Dixie) was born in Liverpool; though he never played for us and I've no idea if he was a fan.

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2 hours ago, hafnia said:

The reason we are where we are is the previous manager did not get Everton. Turned us into a soulless side... 

A manager getting everton is not the only criteria but for me the new managèr needs to understand or want to become part of the club.... not just a fucking employee earning shit loads of cash whilst living in a rented house or hotel away from his family. 

 

Disagree mate, Mourinho, Spurs manager however you spell it, Guardiola etc would not “get” us but they would win us trophies with the right resources. You don’t have to get anything you just need to be a top manager. 

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48 minutes ago, MikeO said:

I don't think that it matters greatly either but, as Shukes said, it would be brilliant if the person doing their job and getting the wins was an Evertonian wouldn't it? There's also the fact (that I've already pointed out) that "if you know your history" every trophy we've won since before WW2 was with an ex-player at the helm. Is that coincidence?

Edit: Even Thomas McIntosh who ran us from 1919 to 1935 and won the FA Cup and the league title twice (and signed Dixie) was born in Liverpool; though he never played for us and I've no idea if he was a fan.

Of course it would, but lots are acting like it's essential.

Yes I do think it's a coincidence.

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What does getting a club actually mean... Knowing it's history and its ethos, welcome to Wikipedia 

Dortmund is one of the biggest "fan" clubs in the world would they turn away the likes of Pep Poch and co no they wouldn't 

It's a blanket statement/phrase to me that doesn't really have much basis behind it, people liked how Martinez came in and spewed all the media darling shite and it stood for fuck all as he wasn't upto the job 

I'd love a manager who appreciated our history our fans etc but results count in today's game not sentiment imo

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I think some of our fans expect far too much from a manager whilst also accepting mediocrity with the teams performance. Who’s arsed if it’s an ex player, has an Everton tattoo or says centre half like a scouser- just win football matches.

Our most successful manager “got” us, played for us was loved by us then fucked off to Athletico Bilbao at the first sign of some pesatas- look how that turned out.

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

I would absolutely love for him to take the opportunity (if it happens) and for him to do well for us. I'm a massive fan of his. It's just a big gamble and I do worry it could go tits up.

I'm as worried for him about it as I am for the club and our season. I would hate for a bad experience to tarnish him with something that he may never be able to shift.

I think all the names being touted around for our next manager are a gamble personally. 

I think the only long term risk to Unsworth's reputation is we get relegated. Then he'd have to live with being the manager that took us down for the first time since 1950 whatever. But he'd be sacked before that happened anyway, and the injury would be more personal to him than professional. He'd still have a decent career as a manager ahead of him. Relegation hasn't done any harm to plenty of managers. Thinking of two from our recent past, Martinez is now managing one of the top 10 international teams heading into a World Cup, and Moyes is still getting Premier League jobs. 

Anyway, I keep saying it, but I don't for a minute believe we'd go down under Unsworth. He's a good organiser, plays to win and will make us aggressive enough to win matches at home if nothing else. Just my opinion, but I don't see any of the other managers we're being linked with doing any better short term. 

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One of those mike0 stats I think, that we’ve only ever won stuff wth a former player as manager.  Kendall Royle etc.  I’m starting to think there might be something in that.  Not to mention I would rather unsy for the rest of the year and get someone in the summer than get someone now.  Better options and better chance to see if Dave (and I’m not talking about newty) warrants it full time

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3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

One of those mike0 stats I think, that we’ve only ever won stuff wth a former player as manager.  Kendall Royle etc.  I’m starting to think there might be something in that.  Not to mention I would rather unsy for the rest of the year and get someone in the summer than get someone now.  Better options and better chance to see if Dave (and I’m not talking about newty) warrants it full time

Oh I got all excited then....!!!

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23 minutes ago, MikeO said:

For someone so inexperienced he handles himself brilliantly with the media; puts most established pros to shame. Whatever his future he's a credit to himself and the club.

Agree completely, he may not be the man for the managers role at the moment but it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s his one day - whether he keeps doing what he’s doing with the academy or cuts his managerial teeth elsewhere. Best of luck to him.

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

For someone so inexperienced he handles himself brilliantly with the media; puts most established pros to shame. Whatever his future he's a credit to himself and the club.

He comes across brilliantly.

With how he's handled things,how he wants to play the game, what he's done for the U23's...he'll not struggle for a job.

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