David Unsworth

[Shukes]

No idea, it’s been two games. Haha some argued Koeman hadn’t had enough time after 18 months... but a week! 

[markjazzbassist]

7 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Klaassen isn't strong enough to play CM. Until he puts some muscle on I wouldn't mind him playing behind Rooney with Wayne told to stay forward. He knows how to pass and has good movement. 

davies doesn't play cm.  he's the box to box.  morgan/gana/beni are the CM.  

[Bailey]

3 hours ago, Paddock said:

Back to Unsworth- I think he’s already fell into the trap of playing “his “ players- drops Vlasic the only player playing well of late, not a peek of Klassen or Sandro , brings that Beni kid in and Niasse- at least give Sandro a go- he can’t do any worse can he. Kenny in for Holgate etc etc. Almost all his under 23s at one stage or another. 

Pretty much everyone on here was unanimous on here that they wanted Sandro and Klaasen left out and they wanted Niasse from the bench, Kenny to get game time and Beni hasn't put a foot wrong. 

The odd one out is Vlasic, but he looks the ideal player for Unsworth so that's a surprise if he isn't injured.

I think sometimes people just want whoever isn't starting to play. 

39 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

The reason some of these guys have been left out is that Unsworth wants to play with players in the correct position.

He likes width. So has gone with natural wide men.

We only have 2 actual out and out strikers and he has gone with them.

Unfortunately, Sandro, Klaassen and Sigurdsson are naturally more central. This was the problem when buying them that we spoke about - how do you fit them into the same team?

It's understandable that they need a run of games to get going, but it's getting them into a team set up that will work, that will allow them to play their natural role and that gets results. That's the difficult bit.

With Unsworth, I said he'd have to have a patient approach from fans but already that is fading after 2 games.

We are in panic mode. I hope someone on the board has kept a calm head.

 

Spot on Newty. The bloke is under enough pressure, just give him a few more games to see what he is about. He showed me more than I was expecting in those 2 games. 

[Paddock]

3 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Pretty much everyone on here was unanimous on here that they wanted Sandro and Klaasen left out and they wanted Niasse from the bench, Kenny to get game time and Beni hasn't put a foot wrong. 

The odd one out is Vlasic, but he looks the ideal player for Unsworth so that's a surprise if he isn't injured.

I think sometimes people just want whoever isn't starting to play. 

 

Spot on Newty. The bloke is under enough pressure, just give him a few more games to see what he is about. He showed me more than I was expecting in those 2 games. 

But why not on the bench Baily- after Niasse was brought on at half time the only other option to try and get a goal if that didn’t work was Gylfi for Rooney or DCL and Rooney up front. Why not have Sandro on the bench and give him 20 minutes when it’s clear as day DCL is struggling and wont get goals. He wasn’t even on the bench.

[Newty82]

26 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

?? Sandro can be CF or wide right/left in an attacking 3 like he was at Barca.  Klaassen can do the job Davies is supposed to but isn't.  Siggy? rooney is being played, bench him and you get SIg in there.  Plenty of room, Unsy just using his favs just like RK did.  People thought Unsy was going to turn it around we'd magically win games and turn it around.  Turns out it had nothing to do with the manager, we've only kept losing.  

Hang on hang on hang on....

I'm not trying to defend Unsworth or anything. The bloke has had 2 games. I'm not aware of anyone saying he'll magically turn it around but it was expected we'd play with more 'ooomph' and hopefully start to see results with time. Unfortunately, the daggers are out after 2 games and, what, 5 training sessions?

But away from that, you're acting like these lads haven't had a chance. They have. And they've not been able to do it...so my point being do you keep playing them or do you make changes?

Klaassen had the Davies role against Lyon...he was shocking. He's also played further foward and been poor. Sandro cannot play in 3 different roles in a new country, new league. He's not that established yet. He's struggled up top on his own and out wide. Swapping him around has not helped.

And again, Siggy. He hasn't shown enough to get that position a head of Rooney. 

None of them have shown enough to warrant a starting place a head of any one else who has started.

That's not to say I dont rate them, but at the moment, as it stands today, I'm not surprised they've not been picked. But it's not the end for them.

[pete0]

18 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

davies doesn't play cm.  he's the box to box.  morgan/gana/beni are the CM.  

Box to box is a centre mid. A sitter would be defensive midfielder (DM). Gana is more box to box (he's just not very good at it) with Schneiderlin sitting.

[markjazzbassist]

1 minute ago, Newty82 said:

Hang on hang on hang on....

I'm not trying to defend Unsworth or anything. The bloke has had 2 games. I'm not aware of anyone saying he'll magically turn it around but it was expected we'd play with more 'ooomph' and hopefully start to see results with time. Unfortunately, the daggers are out after 2 games and, what, 5 training sessions?

But away from that, you're acting like these lads haven't had a chance. They have. And they've not been able to do it...so my point being do you keep playing them or do you make changes?

Klaassen had the Davies role against Lyon...he was shocking. He's also played further foward and been poor. Sandro cannot play in 3 different roles in a new country, new league. He's not that established yet. He's struggled up top on his own and out wide. Swapping him around has not helped.

And again, Siggy. He hasn't shown enough to get that position a head of Rooney. 

None of them have shown enough to warrant a starting place a head of any one else who has started.

That's not to say I dont rate them, but at the moment, as it stands today, I'm not surprised they've not been picked. But it's not the end for them.

Sandro hasn't been given a chance 200 minutes in bit part subs.  that's a little over 3 matches!

[markjazzbassist]

Just now, pete0 said:

Box to box is a centre mid. A sitter would be defensive midfielder (DM). Gana is more box to box (he's just not very good at it) with Schneiderlin sitting.

everyone classifies it differently.  i see him beside morgan or gana helping to link in attack, pressing, tackling, winning the ball back.

[Bailey]

5 minutes ago, Paddock said:

But why not on the bench Baily- after Niasse was brought on at half time the only other option to try and get a goal if that didn’t work was Gylfi for Rooney or DCL and Rooney up front. Why not have Sandro on the bench and give him 20 minutes when it’s clear as day DCL is struggling and wont get goals. He wasn’t even on the bench.

Lookman was on the bench and he has been better than Sandro. 

I don't agree about DCL either. We need to give him more help rather than chastise him for all the quality work he does in getting us up the pitch.

[pete0]

1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said:

Sandro hasn't been given a chance 200 minutes in bit part subs.  that's a little over 3 matches!

Niasse got 3 goals in his cameos. I think Sandro looks worse everytime I watch him. Good bang on him, but needs far too much time on the ball. Shouldn't be near the first team, u23s will do him good. 

[Newty82]

7 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

Sandro hasn't been given a chance 200 minutes in bit part subs.  that's a little over 3 matches!

He's had 6 starts and 5 sub appearances in all games this season. I'm pretty sure the 200 minute thing is only a league stat.

I like the lad but he needs time to adjust. A stint in the U23's and some more sub appearances maybe. Moving him around hasn t helped.

There's no point us getting butt hurt over certain players. Most need to step up.

[Paddock]

14 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Lookman was on the bench and he has been better than Sandro. 

I don't agree about DCL either. We need to give him more help rather than chastise him for all the quality work he does in getting us up the pitch.

Lookman isn’t a striker though is he and DCL isn’t scoring. He puts loads of work in, he tries and tries, he holds the ball up really well for a young lad but he’s not scoring goals- we need goals and in Sandro we have someone who is capable. He should be on the bench.

[markjazzbassist]

4 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

He's had 6 starts and 5 sub appearances in all games this season. I'm pretty sure the 200 minute thing is only a league stat.

I like the lad but he needs time to adjust. A stint in the U23's and some more sub appearances maybe. Moving him around hasn t helped.

There's no point us getting butt hurt over certain players. Most need to step up.

not butt hurt newts, i can see a player there.  meanwhile lookman trips over himself and passes to the other team, still getting game time based off that wonder goal last season.  mirallas hasn't done anything and hes getting time, lennon?  he getting time based on what he did at spurs cause he's done fuck all for us.  

 

what i'm trying to say newts is for as much as RK got roasted (which is a ton), Unsy gets off the hook (playing favorites that is).  Notice the lack of bashing Davies and Kenny for how shithouse they have been?  BLue tinted glasses mate, no one will slate them, unsy getting it to.  bar Pad and a few others, everyone wants to give him a pass cause he can say all the everton buzzwords.  not for me.  

[Newty82]

1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said:

not butt hurt newts, i can see a player there.  meanwhile lookman trips over himself and passes to the other team, still getting game time based off that wonder goal last season.  mirallas hasn't done anything and hes getting time, lennon?  he getting time based on what he did at spurs cause he's done fuck all for us.  

 

what i'm trying to say newts is for as much as RK got roasted (which is a ton), Unsy gets off the hook (playing favorites that is).  Notice the lack of bashing Davies and Kenny for how shithouse they have been?  BLue tinted glasses mate, no one will slate them, unsy getting it to.  bar Pad and a few others, everyone wants to give him a pass cause he can say all the everton buzzwords.  not for me.  

This is crazy.

Unsworth after an almighty 5 days in the job is getting let off the hook and clearly plays his favourites!!! Are you hearing yourselves?!!!

Ok lads, you's carry on. Bollocks if you think I'm wasting any more time conversing in such irrationality.

[Bailey]

19 minutes ago, Paddock said:

Lookman isn’t a striker though is he and DCL isn’t scoring. He puts loads of work in, he tries and tries, he holds the ball up really well for a young lad but he’s not scoring goals- we need goals and in Sandro we have someone who is capable. He should be on the bench.

I haven't seen anything from Sandro to say he is a striker yet either. He looks like he should be playing wide to me, maybe a second striker but that's essentially what Lookman is. We started with 4 attacking players and had 3 more on the bench. Niasse has done more in his cameos to deserve to be the striker on the bench. Lookman was there as width, Siggy covered the rest. I would be hard pressed to put him in ahead of those 3 based on this season.

17 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

not butt hurt newts, i can see a player there.  meanwhile lookman trips over himself and passes to the other team, still getting game time based off that wonder goal last season.  mirallas hasn't done anything and hes getting time, lennon?  he getting time based on what he did at spurs cause he's done fuck all for us.  

 

what i'm trying to say newts is for as much as RK got roasted (which is a ton), Unsy gets off the hook (playing favorites that is).  Notice the lack of bashing Davies and Kenny for how shithouse they have been?  BLue tinted glasses mate, no one will slate them, unsy getting it to.  bar Pad and a few others, everyone wants to give him a pass cause he can say all the everton buzzwords.  not for me.  

He did well when he came on against Chelsea. Sandro has arguably tripped himself up more, including the fuck up with Martina the other week!

Mirallas was a threat against Chelsea, Lennon was arguably our most threatening player against Leicester (but dont let the reality of what happened ruin your argument).

They havent been shithouse though and at least they are playing like they give a shit. In fact its the opposite of shithouse. They are the ones with their heads up trying to make this work. Schneiderlin cries off with an injury, Martina just gets completely lost. Kenny isnt good enough at this stage but he is already better than Martina. At least he was in position for that own goal, Martina would be marking his own shadow.

6 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

This is crazy.

Unsworth after an almighty 5 days in the job is getting let off the hook and clearly plays his favourites!!! Are you hearing yourselves?!!!

Ok lads, you's carry on. Bollocks if you think I'm wasting any more time conversing in such irrationality.

Its mind boggling, it makes me lose faith in Everton fans. I like to think we are a largely sensible bunch but this is madness. Especially when it was largely the same people saying Koeman needed time despite producing worse garbage than we have seen in the last 2 games despite being 16 months in charge, having all of his own players and staff.

 

[Shukes]

This Unsy playing favourites after week in the job needs to stop guys. It’s ridiculous! How can he have favourites after a week? And how can we know he is picking them after a week?

anyone think Baningime is t deserving of his chances? Has it been a bad pick?

[Romey 1878]

17 minutes ago, Shukes said:

This Unsy playing favourites after week in the job needs to stop guys. It’s ridiculous! How can he have favourites after a week? And how can we know he is picking them after a week?

anyone think Baningime is t deserving of his chances? Has it been a bad pick?

Thierry Henry got it bang on before the game. Unsworth isn’t picking a team to get rid of Koeman’s players to have his own in there, he’s just putting players in a system he knows and that he’s used to and believes in. 

In no way is he picking favourites for me. 

[Paddock]

He’s picking players he knows and trusts- his droppi g of Vlasic from the squad proves that. He’s not picking players on ability he’s picking them on him knowing them. 

[Romey 1878]

28 minutes ago, Paddock said:

He’s picking players he knows and trusts- his droppi g of Vlasic from the squad proves that. He’s not picking players on ability he’s picking them on him knowing them. 

Vlasic was injured for his first game, and even though his sister says he wasn’t injured for the Leicester game my money would be on the medical team, and Unsworth, deciding he wasn’t 100% and wouldn’t be risked. If he doesn’t play against Watford then I’ll wonder. 

[nogs]

Some of you need your heads checking. Sandro and Klaasen have been utter shite since they arrived. You should have to earn your place in the first XI, and neither have done. 'Giving them a chance' when they are so obviously not up to it is madness. Do you not remember Klaasen having to get hooked at half time v Lyon?? It's fuck all to do with favourites, Sandro and Klaasen should be nowhere near our first team on form and that is that. 

[London Blue]

Tough having his first 3 games away from Goodison.

Chelsea - we never win there.

Leicester - Just appointed a new manager, fans and players out to prove a point.

Lyon - Ripping up the French league, fast, skillful, basically the worst team to play when your low on form and confidence.

Would love him to succeed, but we need a manager who the top players in the squad will respect. 

[Paddock]

The last word I’ll say on this is that this job atm is far too big a task for a first time manager like Unsworth, it’s suicide giving it to him- those saying give him 10 games- we can’t afford to lose another 5-6 games. If we do we will be too far adrift to catch up and nobody will entertain us in that state.

[Newty82]

Could post in many topics I guess...

www.skysports.com/football/news/29326/11106327/gary-neville-evertons-defending-against-leicester-was-ridiculous

[nogs]

4 hours ago, Paddock said:

The last word I’ll say on this is that this job atm is far too big a task for a first time manager like Unsworth, it’s suicide giving it to him- those saying give him 10 games- we can’t afford to lose another 5-6 games. If we do we will be too far adrift to catch up and nobody will entertain us in that state.

But how long will you give whoever comes in? We are a real mess, terribly unbalanced squad, big money signings that aren't good enough to play, a shot ageing defence, no goals up front. 5-6 games is the bare minimum ANY manager needs to start having an impact. Take Dyche for instance, he's been at Burnley 5 years, before this season last year was his best, and Burnley finished 16th. He absolutely will not have us climbing the table overnight, no one will. There has to be a long term plan now. 

[Gwlad]

IF it were to be Big Sam at least he won't have any sentimentality towards any player, regardless of who they are and how much they cost. See that as a big plus right now.

[Matt]

49 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said:

IF it were to be Big Sam at least he won't have any sentimentality towards any player, regardless of who they are and how much they cost. See that as a big plus right now.

Going for a relegation specialist (that's all he is, not to mention scumbag), will set us back massively. Not just in terms of image, but also with future signings. He is probably the worst candidate for the job because of the damage he'd do.

[Paddock]

2 hours ago, nogs said:

But how long will you give whoever comes in? We are a real mess, terribly unbalanced squad, big money signings that aren't good enough to play, a shot ageing defence, no goals up front. 5-6 games is the bare minimum ANY manager needs to start having an impact. Take Dyche for instance, he's been at Burnley 5 years, before this season last year was his best, and Burnley finished 16th. He absolutely will not have us climbing the table overnight, no one will. There has to be a long term plan now. 

It’s not about how long I would give him- Inwant someone experienced not a complete novice (at first team level) as I’ve said, if we were on 37 points with 10 games remaining I’d say give it Unsworth we’re all but safe let him cut his teeth and write the season off but that’s not the situation

I don’t want Dyche either.

[Finn balor]

2 hours ago, Gwlad all over said:

IF it were to be Big Sam at least he won't have any sentimentality towards any player, regardless of who they are and how much they cost. See that as a big plus right now.

Didn’t see that in his one England game. Basically he said after the match you can’t tell Wayne Rooney where to play. Thought that was weak as piss

[Bill]

We need to get a top Manager or give it to Unsworth till the next window, there's no way we will go down.

[Paddock]

1 hour ago, Bill said:

We need to get a top Manager or give it to Unsworth till the next window, there's no way we will go down.

Bill, plenty have said that before and plenty will again. If we don’t improve we will go down mate. 100%