David Unsworth

[Quinn31]

1 hour ago, Bill said:

We need to get a top Manager or give it to Unsworth till the next window, there's no way we will go down.

Dangerous words, Bill. 

[Romey 1878]

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/874455/Joey-Barton-Paul-Ince-Everton-David-Unsworth

[markjazzbassist]

4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/874455/Joey-Barton-Paul-Ince-Everton-David-Unsworth

wow he eviscerated him.

[MikeO]

3 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

wow he eviscerated him.

He could've gone further, cited "fat" Sam for example; he seems to get people playing (not that I want him here).

Also, "He's a glorified PE teacher. He's an academy coach who shouldn't be managing a men's team." He coached an under 23 team to the league title last year. I think that counts as a "men's" team. 

And then he said he was a shit player. Bollocks; the man is a clueless imbecile.

[markjazzbassist]

3 minutes ago, MikeO said:

He could've gone further, cited "fat" Sam for example; he seems to get people playing (not that I want him here).

Also, "He's a glorified PE teacher. He's an academy coach who shouldn't be managing a men's team." He coached an under 23 team to the league title last year. I think that counts as a "men's" team. 

And then he said he was a shit player. Bollocks; the man is a clueless imbecile.

Paul Ince gained a lot of respect from me after that.  

[BedfordBlue]

I will literally cry if we give the job to David unsworth this is so shit who picks a team with no striker in a game you must win

[Romey 1878]

Sorry, if he really wanted this job it’s just gone up in flames big time. 

[markjazzbassist]

yeah he's not the man.  back to u23 mate.

[Shukes]

Shame he couldn’t have called on Niasse.

[nogs]

Really feel for Unsworth. Gana scores and we'd all be calling him a tactical genius. What can he do about Schneiderlin playing like a 14 year old? Or captain fantastic Williams abandoning ship after the first goal? Yeah he will not get the job now, we'll probably lose to Watford at the weekend too. But I'm willing to make a bet that whoever comes in, we'll still be in the relegation zone come Christmas. Our only hope is getting Bolas, Coleman and Mori back, convincing Barkley to stay, and making three or four signings that will both improve us at the back and get us goals. Because it isn't the manager, it isn't tactics - too many of the players we are having to send out are just fucking shite and don't deserve to wear our shirt. I'm talking six, seven players, maybe more. And unless we can replace them, we are in massive, massive danger of getting relegated. We're as bad as Villa were two seasons ago. 

[nogs]

Ive seen enough to think Unsworth could go on to be a very good manager. For an hour tonight, we were better from an organisation perspective than anything Koeman put out this season. He's done that in a week and a half. If I were him I'd be looking for a job in league football. With the right players with the right attitude, his approach could do very well. Just on a hiding to nothing working with the ill disciplined wankers in our senior squad at moment. 

[Shukes]

4 minutes ago, nogs said:

Ive seen enough to think Unsworth could go on to be a very good manager. For an hour tonight, we were better from an organisation perspective than anything Koeman put out this season. He's done that in a week and a half. If I were him I'd be looking for a job in league football. With the right players with the right attitude, his approach could do very well. Just on a hiding to nothing working with the ill disciplined wankers in our senior squad at moment. 

You can’t say that! All the misery fans will be banging on your door with pitchforks. If you can’t turn it around in two weeks... then your shit and not worth it.... 

unless your Koeman, then you get 16 months.. and even then you will be defended.

[Romey 1878]

2 minutes ago, Shukes said:

You can’t say that! All the misery fans will be banging on your door with pitchforks. If you can’t turn it around in two weeks... then your shit and not worth it.... 

unless your Koeman, then you get 16 months.. and even then you will be defended.

You talk like we spent those 16 months at the bottom of the table, struggling. We didn’t. 

The end was shite, absolutely, but a lot of it was good and an improvement on what had come before. 

[Quinn31]

1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said:

You talk like we spent those 16 months at the bottom of the table, struggling. We didn’t. 

The end was shite, absolutely, but a lot of it was good and an improvement on what had come before. 

Went from 11th two seasons in a row to 7th in the table. What happened after that was shocking.

[Shukes]

Just now, Romey 1878 said:

You talk like we spent those 16 months at the bottom of the table, struggling. We didn’t. 

The end was shite, absolutely, but a lot of it was good and an improvement on what had come before. 

I thought we had a Lukaku purple patch... other than that we seemed to meekly five in, I’m the cups... and roll over at the end of the season. 

You saw it differently, that’s fine. But not me, could see it a mile off. If it wasn’t for Lukakus purple patch we would have been mid table average again.

 

and stop picking on me... quote someone else haha!

[Romey 1878]

1 minute ago, Shukes said:

I thought we had a Lukaku purple patch... other than that we seemed to meekly five in, I’m the cups... and roll over at the end of the season. 

You saw it differently, that’s fine. But not me, could see it a mile off. If it wasn’t for Lukakus purple patch we would have been mid table average again.

 

and stop picking on me... quote someone else haha!

 not picking on you, sorry, you’re just one of the brave ones still on here after more shite from Everton. 

I’m not saying everything was rosy in Koeman’s first season, but we did do well, we didn’t finish 7th by accident. We didn’t fluke all of those wins. We didn’t fluke the massively improved home record. We qualified for Europe. 

That earned him more time when the shit was hitting the fan, and I think that’s absolutely how it should be. Martinez got the best part of two seasons of time to fix things. 

[Shukes]

For nearly 70 mins, it seemed like a master stroke. Lookman missed an absolute sitter. Siggy... well he fluffed. And we restricted them to half chances, other than that cross shot. 

A senior player fucked up and we fell apart. The manager was close to receiving plaudits but instead will suffer the armchair.

[Newty82]

It's a shame for Unsworth. I'm not sure he'll be allowed the time to show what he wants.

I think he has the right idea on how to play. But that line up tonight was not going for a win.

If we beat Watford in good style, it will justify leaving players out and playing with no striker and may buy him more time...but if we get beat, it will almost certainly be time up.

[nogs]

11 minutes ago, Shukes said:

You can’t say that! All the misery fans will be banging on your door with pitchforks. If you can’t turn it around in two weeks... then your shit and not worth it.... 

unless your Koeman, then you get 16 months.. and even then you will be defended.

Bring the pitchforks. I guarantee whoever we bring in will be getting booed by Xmas. Why? Because the playing squad is relegation material. Give Unsworth a transfer window, Barkley signing a new contract, Mori, Bolasie and Coleman back, he'd keep us up. But he won't, so we move on. 

[Shukes]

1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said:

 not picking on you, sorry, you’re just one of the brave ones still on here after more shite from Everton. 

I’m not saying everything was rosy in Koeman’s first season, but we did do well, we didn’t finish 7th by accident. We didn’t fluke all of those wins. We didn’t fluke the massively improved home record. We qualified for Europe. 

That earned him more time when the shit was hitting the fan, and I think that’s absolutely how it should be. Martinez got the best part of two seasons of time to fix things. 

No I know mate. We did do well, but I always thought we were on a wave rather than deserving. I’m no tactician... just a passionate fan, so I may be a mile away from being right. But I do believe that Unsy is close to getting it right, he just needs the players to step up and perform now.

and you are picking on me, your almost like a Pad mark 2 haha!

[Romey 1878]

2 minutes ago, Shukes said:

No I know mate. We did do well, but I always thought we were on a wave rather than deserving. I’m no tactician... just a passionate fan, so I may be a mile away from being right. But I do believe that Unsy is close to getting it right, he just needs the players to step up and perform now.

and you are picking on me, your almost like a Pad mark 2 haha!

You could be right, Shukes, I just think that first season made him deserving of a chance to turn it around. 

Ive made no secret that I like Unsworth and think he’ll do well in the game. I hope he does it here but I just don’t think now is the time. 

[Quinn31]

1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said:

You could be right, Shukes, I just think that first season made him deserving of a chance to turn it around. 

Ive made no secret that I like Unsworth and think he’ll do well in the game. I hope he does it here but I just don’t think now is the time. 

Unsworth is absolutely on my shortlist of managers.... After he is a success at Bury/Oxford United/Rotherham and then Birmingham City/Hull/Preston

[sydneyneil]

Unsworth needs to manage in the lower league to prove that he has a future in management. We cannot experiment certainly not now, or at any time. Caretaker managers never work in the Premier League. He has to do the hard yards and earn the right to be Everton Manager. I haven't seen much in the last few games but it's impossible to really judge. However, I would never have picked any of those sides, or made the same subs. 

[MC11]

1 hour ago, Shukes said:

You can’t say that! All the misery fans will be banging on your door with pitchforks. If you can’t turn it around in two weeks... then your shit and not worth it.... 

unless your Koeman, then you get 16 months.. and even then you will be defended.

You know it's going to work with a new manager when you see a boost in results and players attitude. Nothing has changed for me. He's not the right man and thats very obvious 

[Sparks FC]

1 hour ago, nogs said:

Bring the pitchforks. I guarantee whoever we bring in will be getting booed by Xmas. Why? Because the playing squad is relegation material. Give Unsworth a transfer window, Barkley signing a new contract, Mori, Bolasie and Coleman back, he'd keep us up. But he won't, so we move on. 

This January transfer window is probably going to decide if we're playing in the Championship or staying up. Much as I want Unsworth to succeed, this would be his first window in his first season as manager in any league. It's a huge risk, maybe if some results early on went his way but that doesn't look like happening.

[Bailey]

I feel sorry for him, all that resource over the summer and he is left with an aging, knackered bunch of senior pros and a group of kids he doesn't want to burn out. 

We aren't creating enough but that's 2 1/2 games out of 3 where we have been largely solid. 

I think we went there to keep it tight and catch them on the break which isn't a bad idea. Having Siggy as a hold up target man feeding the pace of Lookman and Lennon. We didn't actually get many shots off but we had threatening phases of play which fizzled out due to a poor decision or a lack of confidence. 

I would like to see what he could do but I am very concerned that its too much of a risk at the moment given where we are. 

[Paddock]

Undworths 3 games in charge-

played 3

won 0

drew 0

lost 3

for 1

against 7

for a brand new manager that is not good enough. We’ve played Chelsea eserves, a poor Leicester team and Lyon.

[chicagoblue]

I'll be in there minority. If he wins Sunday I'd keep him.  He was asked to jump into a flaming chain saw juggling act.  Sure he's lost a limb or two but those are merely flesh wounds.

I believe he has a plan for the Watford game. If he's still standing come 90 minutes then let him carry on.

 

It's been said on here before. This club is a bit of a dumpster for right now. Will any of the respectable options want to jump into that? Do any of the other options have an extinguisher? With this squad? 

[Newty82]

6 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

I'll be in there minority. If he wins Sunday I'd keep him.  He was asked to jump into a flaming chain saw juggling act.  Sure he's lost a limb or two but those are merely flesh wounds.

I believe he has a plan for the Watford game. If he's still standing come 90 minutes then let him carry on.

 

It's been said on here before. This club is a bit of a dumpster for right now. Will any of the respectable options want to jump into that? Do any of the other options have an extinguisher? With this squad? 

I hope you don't work in a hospital if you see losing a limb or two as merely flesh wounds!!!!

[Bill]

You could bring in the best manager in the world and it would take him 6 months and 2 transfer windows to get anything out of this squad.  We are now paying for having too many ponderous over 30 players in the vital areas, hence having to play too many young inexperienced kids together.

Unsworth must be given time to turn it around, he's only had two weeks, even JC couldn't change it in that time, if David can't get the best from these players I don't know who you expect is going to.

That's my view of it, and to all those pessimists, if you think for one minute that we will be relegated I feel sorry for you. As the song says .... Always look on the bright side of life De dum de dum de dum de dum .......

[captainbeaker]

The mess we are in as said above is not Unsworth making. There is a need for a major revamp in the squad, too much money was spent chasing unneeded players in the summer and paying way over the odds because Koeman for some reason wanted them, whilst keeping saying we needed a target man and left sided defender.

There's plenty of time to change things round, I see improvement in the way the team are playing just need one good result hopefully against Watford to turn the season around.

Remember we have played most of the top teams so things should get easier till xmas at least.

The likes of Big Sam or Dyche may do better than people think due to them not being used to managing a team with our budget, or they may struggle.

[rubecula]

 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

We need to get a top Manager or give it to Unsworth till the next window, there's no way we will go down.

This is comfortably the worse Everton side I’ve ever seen , and I’ve seen some dross

Try and name 3 worse sides in the Premiership, there aren’t any
I said before Koeman was sacked that I didn’t think any manager could do much with this squad and I still feel the same
Our only hope is that we aren’t too far adrift at the at the bottom when the window opens ,even then there is no guarantee we can get a decent striker in

[Matt]

14 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

This is comfortably the worse Everton side I’ve ever seen , and I’ve seen some dross

Try and name 3 worse sides in the Premiership, there aren’t any
I said before Koeman was sacked that I didn’t think any manager could do much with this squad and I still feel the same
Our only hope is that we aren’t too far adrift at the at the bottom when the window opens ,even then there is no guarantee we can get a decent striker in

 

Martinez's second season had us in the same predicament, that got turned around.

I don't buy the age argument. Age brings a decline in speed and agility, but also brings a fuck ton of experience which, especially now, is essential.

I think I predicted us to finish 10th, or there abouts. We'll do so, but it isn't going to be pretty to watch. Again.

 

[Hafnia]

13 minutes ago, Matt said:

Martinez's second season had us in the same predicament, that got turned around.

I don't buy the age argument. Age brings a decline in speed and agility, but also brings a fuck ton of experience which, especially now, is essential.

I think I predicted us to finish 10th, or there abouts. We'll do so, but it isn't going to be pretty to watch. Again.

 

Experience is worth jack shit when you are up against players faster and sharper.  Years ago you could get away with professional fouls.... now you get two bites at that and you are out the game.

Gueye, williams and schneiderlin are collecting cards because they are either exposed or too slow to win the ball properly. Baines looks like he's ready to retire. 

Experience doesn't equal character either... DCL, davies, beningime and niasse are very inexperienced but at the moment are the only players who look like they have the heart for the fight 

[Matt]

Just now, hafnia said:

Experience is worth jack shit when you are up against players faster and sharper.  Years ago you could get away with professional fouls.... now you get two bites at that and you are out the game.

Gueye, williams and schneiderlin are collecting cards because they are either exposed or too slow to win the ball properly. Baines looks like he's ready to retire. 

Experience doesn't equal character either... DCL, davies, beningime and niasse are very inexperienced but at the moment are the only players who look like they have the heart for the fight 

Experience lets you predict where those fast players will go, sometimes before they know it. Barry is a perfect example.

[Hafnia]

23 minutes ago, Matt said:

Experience lets you predict where those fast players will go, sometimes before they know it. Barry is a perfect example.

Barry took a booking most games. You can have a Barry in the side but not more than 1 or 2 players with no legs.... we have a load of them.

We look like one of those sports aid sides where the likes of Peter Reid and Matt letisser get fit 3 weeks before the match and trot around.

 

It's a fookin mess. 

[Matt]

16 minutes ago, hafnia said:

Barry took a booking most games. You can have a Barry in the side but not more than 1 or 2 players with no legs.... we have a load of them.

We look like one of those sports aid sides where the likes of Peter Reid and Matt letisser get fit 3 weeks before the match and trot around.

 

It's a fookin mess. 

Very true, and none of them are close to the same level as Barry. 

And don't knock the Sport aid games, they're exhausting

[pete0]

1 hour ago, hafnia said:

Barry took a booking most games. You can have a Barry in the side but not more than 1 or 2 players with no legs.... we have a load of them.

We look like one of those sports aid sides where the likes of Peter Reid and Matt letisser get fit 3 weeks before the match and trot around.

 

It's a fookin mess. 

Funnily enough he's not got one so far this season. Usually he's take them because of someone else's error, Gana's positioning or Davies' lack of experience. Didn't have the legs so had to take the yellow, oddly enough the type of yellow I mean about captain boring not taking, ones to help your teammates. Barry was that good for us he hid Koeman's shiteness. 

[Bailey]

1 hour ago, hafnia said:

Barry took a booking most games. You can have a Barry in the side but not more than 1 or 2 players with no legs.... we have a load of them.

We look like one of those sports aid sides where the likes of Peter Reid and Matt letisser get fit 3 weeks before the match and trot around.

 

It's a fookin mess. 

I think this is the point. Its  good thing to have players with experience that maybe dont have the same legs, but they have to have the right players around them to make it work or at the very least a formation to help make it work.

Look at Leicesters title winning side, boats for centre backs, Drinkwater isn't rapid either but those core players were surrounded by pace and energy. They sat deep to make sure they weren't exposed and used the pace to get them up the pitch.

We have tried to play on the front foot with leggy centre backs and left back (who are also being asked to play more games than they ideally want), we have brought in slow players like Rooney, Siggy, Klaasen, Schneiderlin and lost the pace of Rom, to some extent Barkley and Coleman. Either play the slower players, sit deep and counter or play the more mobile players and get on the front foot and press high up the pitch.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

Experience is worth jack shit when you are up against players faster and sharper.  Years ago you could get away with professional fouls.... now you get two bites at that and you are out the game.
Gueye, williams and schneiderlin are collecting cards because they are either exposed or too slow to win the ball properly. Baines looks like he's ready to retire. 
Experience doesn't equal character either... DCL, davies, beningime and niasse are very inexperienced but at the moment are the only players who look like they have the heart for the fight 

That’s my biggest worry, I don’t think this squad has the stomach to survive a relegation fight

[markjazzbassist]

If you watch the interview post match on Facebook they show before they ask him the questions and he goes from sheer jubilation to emotion (holds back tears) and gathers himself and gives the interview.  The OS just starts at the interview part.

 

You can can see what it really meant for him to turn it around.  It was touching.

[Romey 1878]

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/11/05/baines

[Finn balor]

He did well sending mirrallas and Morgan home from training 

[Romey 1878]

Much of yesterday was no different to what Koeman did - picking a slow team that was all wrong. And it showed because we were shite for most of the game, just launching the ball aimlessly, lacking energy, any sort of plan, creativity was nowhere.

Somehow we dug ourselves out of it, but I've nothing to suggest Unsworth could actually improve us. I like him, I think he's a good man, but I don't want him to get the job permanently and I hope the result of yesterday doesn't cloud the decision-makers judgement.

[Bailey]

I agree Romey. I get the feeling he is trying to keep it tight  and build confidence but we just don't have the players to do it. He needs to be bold and play his way with pace and width.

[StevO]

What I don't get, is we play three away games with wingers and a bit of pace. We then play at home and go narrow and slow. Maybe a reaction to three beatings, but if anything id want to see width and pace at home. Lookman and Lennon actually made a difference when they came on.

I just don't see the logic really.

[nogs]

35 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I agree Romey. I get the feeling he is trying to keep it tight  and build confidence but we just don't have the players to do it. He needs to be bold and play his way with pace and width.

Which in a fairness to him he did second half. And it worked. 

The difference with Koeman? There was fight there yesterday. For the first time in ages we didn't just crumble when we went behind. 

[London Blue]

He needs to start Vlasic and Lookman.

[Bailey]

 

4 hours ago, StevO said:

What I don't get, is we play three away games with wingers and a bit of pace. We then play at home and go narrow and slow. Maybe a reaction to three beatings, but if anything id want to see width and pace at home. Lookman and Lennon actually made a difference when they came on.

I just don't see the logic really.

I think it must be a reaction to the other defeats, otherwise you are right in that it doesn't make sense.

 

[Matt]

I wonder how he'd react being passed over for Fat Sam. 

[markjazzbassist]

7 minutes ago, Matt said:

I wonder how he'd react being passed over for Fat Sam. 

i'd imagine he'd be professional, manage the u23 again and finish out the season.  only to look for a full time gig in the summer maybe league 1 or something.  

[Matt]

11 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

i'd imagine he'd be professional, manage the u23 again and finish out the season.  only to look for a full time gig in the summer maybe league 1 or something.  

On the outside I'd expect nothing else, but inside he must be fuming 

[nogs]

53 minutes ago, Matt said:

I wonder how he'd react being passed over for Fat Sam. 

As a fan of the club, like the rest of us. With abject disgust and horror. 

[Bailey]

As someone who has recently had the same happen to them in the workplace I imagine he will be a combination of fuming, confused & exasperated before turning apathetic and looking to move on!

[nogs]

12 minutes ago, Bailey said:

As someone who has recently had the same happen to them in the workplace I imagine he will be a combination of fuming, confused & exasperated before turning apathetic and looking to move on!

Fat Sam got your job? You poor bastard! 

[MikeO]

9 minutes ago, Bailey said:

As someone who has recently had the same happen to them in the workplace I imagine he will be a combination of fuming, confused & exasperated before turning apathetic and looking to move on!

Empathise with that mate; happened to me 30+ years ago when someone was brought in from outside because his family were friends with a director. He was younger than me and had no experience in our field. I actually didn't take the apathetic/move on option but confronted the directors and got a pay rise plus agreement that he wasn't my superior; we actually became good friends after a while. Off topic but you triggered a memory.

[Cornish Steve]

On 11/2/2017 at 17:05, MC11 said:

You know it's going to work with a new manager when you see a boost in results and players attitude. Nothing has changed for me. He's not the right man and thats very obvious 

Anything changed after the win against Watford?

[Sibdane]

Simeone being linked now? I must be dreaming?!

[Quinn31]

1 hour ago, tonkaroost said:

Simeone being linked now? I must be dreaming?!

Madness. Our manager could be Unsworth or Allardyce or Simeone. Baffling.

However, it does show you how far apart the two board factions are. Bill wants Unsworth while Moshiri wants Simeone