Romey 1878 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Agreed mike and pad. I'm so glad he's coming good, we have a decent 6m investment in him and he's young, I really think he could gain steam and be our starter next season. I just hope RM doesn't play favorites and benches Howard. He's back in training though so it could be soon. I didn't think we'd paid that much for him?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Still on the fence at the moment as he still has nervy moments. But at the same time he is making me nod appreciatingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Likewise. Fine post; one goal conceded in the last four league games speaks for itself. I dismissed him completely but loving the humble pie. Seem to be one or two on here who'd rather have their opinions proved right than Everton be successful. Baffling. More pathetic than baffling to me tbh, just can't see how anyone would sooner see the team suffer just to massage their ego. Seriously insecure and sad individuals. I would walk round in s t shirt that said "I said Robles was shite how fucking stupid am I" if it meant him being as immense as De Gea for the entire time he played for us. I want what's best for Everton not my ego. nutmegwolf203 and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 He rushed out again in the first half similar to the goal we conceded against Krasnodar. Sterling this time dithered and put it wide. Think he's done well enough to keep the spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I didn't think we'd paid that much for him?! We never we paid 1 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Some people on here seem to make statements without including names. Baffling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 He rushed out again in the first half similar to the goal we conceded against Krasnodar. Sterling this time dithered and put it wide. Think he's done well enough to keep the spot. I said EXACTLY that to the fella behind me when that happened! My exact words after I unmelted like the cat from Tom and Jerry when it gets a fright off the floor were "I thought that was another Krasnador then" Apart from that though he was steady. He commandshis area so muchbetter than Howard his distribution is MUCH better as well and he seems to dominate when crosses come in It's still very earlydays and as everyone here knows I'm more of a pessamist but I honestly am very encouraged by his performances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Some people on here seem to make statements without including names. Baffling. I didn't get the impression he was talking about you. Have you popped a trip and have you got the blinds drawn peeking out every time a car gos passed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Some people on here seem to make statements without including names. Baffling. No need to name names; the people involved know who they are. Or they don't realise they're doing it. Either one is fine. Not picking a fight with anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I didn't get the impression he was talking about you. Have you popped a trip and have you got the blinds drawn peeking out every time a car gos passed? Its insecure to make a statement and not name names. It's a shithouse way of being a nob. I highly doubt anybody would prefer Everton to lose just to be proved right. It's been suggested to me before (that's why I picked up on it) without the slightest bit of evidence. I'm not soft. Every defeat hurts/frustrates no matter what's been said in the build up. All I want is for the team to do well and right now we're either shit in defence or shit in attack there's just no inbetween. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Its insecure to make a statement and not name names. It's a shithouse way of being a nob. I highly doubt anybody would prefer Everton to lose just to be proved right. It's been suggested to me before (that's why I picked up on it) without the slightest bit of evidence. I'm not soft. Every defeat hurts/frustrates no matter what's been said in the build up. All I want is for the team to do well and right now we're either shit in defence or shit in attack there's just no inbetween. You're preaching to the converted here brother! I just don't have you pegged as someone who would rather us lose to be proved right so don't think it's you he's talking about. Either way it's none of my business I suppose so I'm quietly tippy toeing out this thread before it goes off as I'm trying to be a none confrontational poster these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Its insecure to make a statement and not name names. It's a shithouse way of being a nob. I highly doubt anybody would prefer Everton to lose just to be proved right. It's been suggested to me before (that's why I picked up on it) without the slightest bit of evidence. I'm not soft. Every defeat hurts/frustrates no matter what's been said in the build up. All I want is for the team to do well and right now we're either shit in defence or shit in attack there's just no inbetween. I promised myself I'd ignore you posts so just this one to clarify. You didn't say you wanted Everton to lose to be proved right as far as I can recall so don't understand why you're being so defensive . You said you wanted there to be discord in the dressing room to prove you right and me wrong over the Distin situation that we disagreed on a few months back. That's beyond dispute and I can do a search and link it if you like. I'm done arguing with you, it's a pointless exercise and I'm not going to be drawn into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I promised myself I'd ignore you posts so just this one to clarify. You didn't say you wanted Everton to lose to be proved right as far as I can recall so don't understand why you're being so defensive . You said you wanted there to be discord in the dressing room to prove you right and me wrong over the Distin situation that we disagreed on a few months back. That's beyond dispute and I can do a search and link it if you like. I'm done arguing with you, it's a pointless exercise and I'm not going to be drawn into it. Great join the queue. But don't leave land mines and expect me not to step on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Its insecure to make a statement and not name names. It's a shithouse way of being a nob. I highly doubt anybody would prefer Everton to lose just to be proved right. It's been suggested to me before (that's why I picked up on it) without the slightest bit of evidence. I'm not soft. Every defeat hurts/frustrates no matter what's been said in the build up. All I want is for the team to do well and right now we're either shit in defence or shit in attack there's just no inbetween. I think he's talking about 'billy Bullshit' and his willing Lukaku to fail to prove him right. Can only agree with others, I'd gladly take serious egg on face and Everton move onwards, I guess with me it would be Martinez at the moment, I just can't stand the slow build up he seems to love, but if by mid next season we are still playing that way and it's working, then I'll have to change the way I look at this type of play. I just want exciting football, I agree with a writter in the Daily Telegraph whilst talking about Everton fans, he said " They want Artists and fighters in tandem, not six yard passes going nowhere". Point is yes that's what I want, but if it's the only way for Everton to move forward , I'll have to take the six yard passes.......forthe good of the club over what I want! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I didn't think we'd paid that much for him?! I'm sorry, way off. Looked it up, 2m we paid with a buy back clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tim-howard-still-number-one-8605714 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tim-howard-still-number-one-8605714 I'm going to be so pissed off when he comes straight back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Once Joel learns to judge coming off his line a bit better I think we will have a very fine all round keeper. I think one v ones he is incredibly good at, he stays big and covers a lot of space, I would almost rather him try and save like this then rushing out at the feet of a quick striker.. Edited February 10, 2015 by Btay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Along with Stones and Jags back in the middle, Joel has been one of the reasons we've managed to keep clean sheets. I'm with Mark, i'd fume if Tim walzted back in. I gave Joel a lot of stick but he's proven me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tim-howard-still-number-one-8605714 Fuck off Roberto, you complete and utter idiot. You are going to allow Howard to come back in, despite the "reserve" keeping more clean sheets in 5 apps than Howard all season?! What does that say to the lad; "nice try mate, but you're not the stalwart here, back to the bench to you". You play in form players FFS! I've defended Tim relentlessly, he is a very good 'keeper but he is not the future. Joel has proven that he has the potential to be, and you piss in his face in front of the media?! I'd be livid if I was Robles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Fuck off Roberto, you complete and utter idiot. You are going to allow Howard to come back in, despite the "reserve" keeping more clean sheets in 5 apps than Howard all season?! What does that say to the lad; "nice try mate, but you're not the stalwart here, back to the bench to you". You play in form players FFS! I've defended Tim relentlessly, he is a very good 'keeper but he is not the future. Joel has proven that he has the potential to be, and you piss in his face in front of the media?! I'd be livid if I was Robles. Calm down you nut StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Calm down you nut It gets on my nerves when in form players are dropped for favourites, especially when they're young. It shows a lack of courage from Roberto, it shows a lack of faith in Robles, and it shows that no matter how well you perform, if there's a more senior player coming back from injury you're getting dropped regardless of your performances. Moyes used to do it as well, pissed me right off. StevO and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeO Posted February 10, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Even if they were performing equally you surely pick the young keeper on his way up over the one in decline. Toffee_in_LA, StevO, chicagoblue and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Montana Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 I know Howards the number one keeper but if he drops Joel thats very bad management from Roberto, the young lads confidence is sky high at the minute and he's only going to get better with more game time especially against teams like Chelsea. Lets hope Bobby has only came out with this to keep Joel on his toes. Matt, Romey 1878 and Sibdane 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Posted this in the chelsea forum but thought it is appropriate here as well: Optimal Back 4: Coleman, Stones, Jags, Baines Everton have played 33 games in all competitions Howard has made 23.5 appearances; Joel has made 9.5 appearances Howard has played behind the optimal back four in just 2.5 of those games. Everton won both games he played in the full 90 mins and kept one clean sheet. The game he was subbed at half due to injury they lost and i will put the loss on him as he was in goal when the penalty was conceded. 2 wins and a loss. Howard has therefore played behind a "makeshift" back four in his other 21 appearances. Everton's record in those games is 6-8-7 with 5 clean sheets. Joel has played behind the optimal back four in 4.5 appearances. Everton's record in those games is 1-2-1 with 2 clean sheets. I will not add the Stoke game to Joel's record. Joel has therefore played behind a "makeshift" back four in his other 5 appearances. Everton's record in those games is 0-2-3 with 1 clean sheet. Overall record with optimal back four regardless of goalie: 3-2-2 with 3 clean sheets Overall record without optimal back four regardless of goalie: 6-10-10 with 6 clean sheets Tim Howard overall record: 8-8-8 with 6 clean sheets Joel Robles overall record: 1-4-4 with 3 clean sheets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Posted this in the chelsea forum but thought it is appropriate here as well: Optimal Back 4: Coleman, Stones, Jags, Baines Everton have played 33 games in all competitions Howard has made 23.5 appearances; Joel has made 9.5 appearances Howard has played behind the optimal back four in just 2.5 of those games. Everton won both games he played in the full 90 mins and kept one clean sheet. The game he was subbed at half due to injury they lost and i will put the loss on him as he was in goal when the penalty was conceded. 2 wins and a loss. Howard has therefore played behind a "makeshift" back four in his other 21 appearances. Everton's record in those games is 6-8-7 with 5 clean sheets. Joel has played behind the optimal back four in 4.5 appearances. Everton's record in those games is 1-2-1 with 2 clean sheets. I will not add the Stoke game to Joel's record. Joel has therefore played behind a "makeshift" back four in his other 5 appearances. Everton's record in those games is 0-2-3 with 1 clean sheet. Overall record with optimal back four regardless of goalie: 3-2-2 with 3 clean sheets Overall record without optimal back four regardless of goalie: 6-10-10 with 6 clean sheets Tim Howard overall record: 8-8-8 with 6 clean sheets Joel Robles overall record: 1-4-4 with 3 clean sheets So the defence in front of him is to blame for him conceding constantly at his near post for instance? Nah, it's because he's a clown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 I'm sure irrelevant of the defence, he's conceded at least 6 from his own mistakes. That's Chris Kirkland form that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Can't believe anyone would be surprised that Howard will go straight back in it was always going to be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Can't believe anyone would be surprised that Howard will go straight back in it was always going to be the case. I won't be surprised. But I will be pissed off. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 I won't be surprised. But I will be pissed off. Me too . I'm already pissed off because I just know it's going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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