Longest Thread For Drivel (or the Romelu Lukaku thread)

[StevO]

Maybe our midfielders are not pouncing on the man with the ball quick enough.

[nutmegwolf203]

The lad must be 15/16 stone. Granted his work rate isn't the best but it's never going to be anywhere near someone's who is a fraction of his weight.

 

So he isn't the best at defending, he isn't the best on the ball and he struggles to hold up the ball well.

 

He's not that type of player though. Nobody is having a slice at Gana because he doesn't score enough goals are they?

 

He has one job, to put the ball in the back of the net and he is very, very good at that, one of the best in the world.

 

People want him to be more than he is, it's very unrealistic. If he did have every attribute what people wished him to have, we would have never had his services here at Everton.

 

He's built like a center back

[Hafnia]

 

He's built like a center back

And covers less ground than one.

 

Diego costa, troy deeney, wanyama, hardly featherweight are they?

 

No excuse. He's chunky cos he doesnt run enough... pretty simple.

 

Heard some shite excuses for this lad, keep em coming.

[Hafnia]

The lad must be 15/16 stone. Granted his work rate isn't the best but it's never going to be anywhere near someone's who is a fraction of his weight.

 

So he isn't the best at defending, he isn't the best on the ball and he struggles to hold up the ball well.

 

He's not that type of player though. Nobody is having a slice at Gana because he doesn't score enough goals are they?

 

He has one job, to put the ball in the back of the net and he is very, very good at that, one of the best in the world.

 

People want him to be more than he is, it's very unrealistic. If he did have every attribute what people wished him to have, we would have never had his services here at Everton.

So you are saying that he's the only person on the pitch who doesn't have to work? Just stand there and wait for a team mate to find him?

 

Absolute bullshit and yet another pathetic excuse passed in the way of the lad. Against chelsea he allowed their back 3 so much time on the ball that they were able to advance their midfield high up the pitch penning our back 3 in. Luiz bought it out and he just allowed him to.

 

Look at the other end. We got the ball in defence and Costa was over our lads like a rash - hoof ball out and possession back to Chelsea.

 

It's entirely up to you what you observe. The fact you are still coming out with this nonsense after seeing the impact that valencia hard running has made is a joke.

 

Hard work isn't a 'bonus' should a player decide to apply it.... it's the difference between being part of a team and a passenger.

 

Let's say you worked in a bar and all night you were serving customers, collecting glasses, washing glasses, and there was your colleague stood chatting most of the night and serving when he felt like it. How would you feel if he started sharing the tips you got in? Not too pleased no?

 

How do you honestly feel Lukakus team mates feel watching him amble around? Lose the ball, not run to get it back and then have the audacity to moan when he feels the wrong pass was made? Not only that - he tells the world he thinks he's too good to work with them....

 

It doesnt take Sigmund Freud to work out how he must be affecting the teams psychology.

 

Watched the sheedy fantasy football 1 to 11 just now. You are too young to recall the team he played in buy let's just say it was a proper team. Sheedy chose heath and Sharp as his front 2. Lineker left out. Apparently his nickname was man Friday... Didn't bother training much. Didnt really work for the team. Sheedy picked 2 players who did and helped win us 2 titles - we didn't win one with Lineker.

 

Lukaku is the biggest waste of athletic potential I think I've ever seen on a football pitch. That really is saying something.

 

He's built like usain bolt and blessed with fast twitch nuscle fibres but applies himself to look like hes micky fuckin quinn.

[Bill]

Bit harsh on Lineker Haf, he scored 40 goals the season he was here.

Could have won the double that year, finished runners up in the league and the cup.

So as I said 40 goals !! I think he did his job, maybe it was the others in the team that didn't do theirs.

[Hafnia]

Bit harsh on Lineker Haf, he scored 40 goals the season he was here.

Could have won the double that year, finished runners up in the league and the cup.

So as I said 40 goals !! I think he did his job, maybe it was the others in the team that didn't do theirs.

I recall the season well... I loved Lineker, I was 9 years old and all I knew was long ball over the top and it was a goal.

 

I recall equally fans being a bit sour at the type of football we played. The team was set for him and him alone. So when he did t have his goalscoring boots (literally) we struggled to adapt.

 

That said he was a far better player than Rom, quicker by far and Sharper off the mark. Where he did excel was the balls across the box - he gambled and put himself in there. Not stood on the penno spot scratching his arse. Look at his Mexico 86 hatrick.

[Paddock]

You could cover less than 1km per game and score goals the way lukaku has scored his this season. The majority have all been finishes from crosses - if not all. So his goal record has absolutely nothing to do with working for the team.

 

Like Redknapp said - he scored 2 goals against watford and didn't have to work for them.

 

Let's not start pretending he puts work in. He's the laziest person on the team.

His goal against City wasn't from a cross.

[Paddock]

And covers less ground than one.

 

Diego costa, troy deeney, wanyama, hardly featherweight are they?

 

No excuse. He's chunky cos he doesnt run enough... pretty simple.

 

Heard some shite excuses for this lad, keep em coming.

The fact you'd sooner have Troy Deeney in your team than Lukaku is absolutely laughable.

[Palfy]

In the Premier at this moment in time I would take Costa, Aguero or Sanchez in place of Lukaku in that order.

Can't see anyone else in this league who could do a better job than him for us.

[StevO]

Moyes had lots of hard working strikers who didn't score goals.

We got Yak who was the laziest I've ever seen in a blue shirt and he scored for fun.

Then Moyes got him working hard, goals dried up (pre injury).

 

I'd still rather have a lazy striker who bags every other week than Andy Johnson bombing down the wing and scoring one in five.

[Hafnia]

Moyes had lots of hard working strikers who didn't score goals.

We got Yak who was the laziest I've ever seen in a blue shirt and he scored for fun.

Then Moyes got him working hard, goals dried up (pre injury).

 

I'd still rather have a lazy striker who bags every other week than Andy Johnson bombing down the wing and scoring one in five.

His goals dried up cos moyes stopped using aj as a partner - more as a winger.

 

Hard work and goals aren't mutually exclusive - why are people comparing as striker with a poor work rate with strikers that cost a fraction of what he did. Yak scored when yak worked - as simple as that.

 

Moyes utilisation of a striker was to the benefit of the advanced 5th midfielder - Cahill or fellaini. Do I really need to dissect the tactics to justify that? The striker was the sacrificial pawn in unsettling the defence in order to allow the likes of Cahill or felli to exploit the space.

 

The thread is going round in circles. Koeman wants a team that presses - lukaku doesn't work. Pressing starts from the front and cascades right through the whole team.

[Hafnia]

His goal against City wasn't from a cross.

That's why I said the majority.

[Hafnia]

The fact you'd sooner have Troy Deeney in your team than Lukaku is absolutely laughable.

It's not laughable it's more an indictment of how much the lack of any sort of footballing basics is costing the team.

 

Deeney isn't a patch on lukaku as a finisher. But lukaku is a million years away from deeney as a footballer.

 

Lukaku's finishing stats are great for him. His foorltballing ability and work rate is bad for the team.

 

Let's hope he puts in a shift tomorrow - i have a feeling he might.

[Paddock]

It's not laughable it's more an indictment of how much the lack of any sort of footballing basics is costing the team.

 

Deeney isn't a patch on lukaku as a finisher. But lukaku is a million years away from deeney as a footballer.

 

Lukaku's finishing stats are great for him. His foorltballing ability and work rate is bad for the team.

 

Let's hope he puts in a shift tomorrow - i have a feeling he might.

Deeney is not a better footballer than Lukaku, he works harder ad that's about it. Lukaku is twice a better footballer than Deeney, Deeney is a yard dog who uses his size and has a lot of determination and fair play to him he's carved a good career for himself using those attributes but that goal Lukaku scored against City or the Chelsea one in the cup, the one against Kiev or the one in the 3-0 win against Arsenal show the difference in class between the two.

 

Deeney at Everton as our main striker makes me shudder, it would be like a time warp because he's the type of player we'd be trying to sign in the dark days of the 90s.

 

There's a reason Lukaku is being courted by the top teams in Europe and Deeney isn't, and all those scouts can't be wrong.

[Paddock]

Lukaku wont be here much longer so we don't need a Deeney to play up front.

 

All the people saying we should sell Lukaku will realise once he is gone that we've let go probably our prize asset because we wont be able to replace him simply because no one of his quality and goal scoring ability will come here.

[Hafnia]

Deeney is not a better footballer than Lukaku, he works harder ad that's about it. Lukaku is twice a better footballer than Deeney, Deeney is a yard dog who uses his size and has a lot of determination and fair play to him he's carved a good career for himself using those attributes but that goal Lukaku scored against City or the Chelsea one in the cup, the one against Kiev or the one in the 3-0 win against Arsenal show the difference in class between the two.

 

Deeney at Everton as our main striker makes me shudder, it would be like a time warp because he's the type of player we'd be trying to sign in the dark days of the 90s.

 

There's a reason Lukaku is being courted by the top teams in Europe and Deeney isn't, and all those scouts can't be wrong.

His control, aerial ability, ball retention and passing accuracy is far better than lukaku... it's on another level.

 

Lukaku is better at finishing and running.

 

I don't think there's any debating that.

 

Deeney would help lukaku get more goals, he helps the team get more goals. Lukaku requires people to put it on a plate for him.

[Paddock]

If you genuinally think Troy Deeney is a better footballer than Lukaku then there is no point even continuing the discussion.

[Bill]

Might have to buy two strikers if he's not here next seasom, that's if somebody does come in for him, he only stayed this season cos nobody came in for him.

[Aidan]

Might have to buy two strikers if he's not here next seasom, that's if somebody does come in for him, he only stayed this season cos nobody came in for him.

Thought Chelski did? Or was that the papers?

[Hafnia]

If you genuinally think Troy Deeney is a better footballer than Lukaku then there is no point even continuing the discussion.

As a footballer lukaku isn't very good. How can he be? His touch is shocking and continues to be. His passing is poor. But As a finisher he is excellent.

 

Troy deeney isn't excellent at anything - but he's not poor at anything. Graeme Sharp was that type of player.

 

Troy deeney is a better footballer than Lukaku. Like leon osman was a better footballer than Cahill.

[Matt]

If you genuinally think Troy Deeney is a better footballer than Lukaku then there is no point even continuing the discussion.

so is Kone mate

[Hafnia]

so is Kone mate

As a footballer? Yeah he is.

 

Let's be clear on what I class as a "fooballer"... xavi and iniesta are far better footballers than ronaldo.

 

Ronaldo is a supreme athlete - possibly the greatest athlete I've seen on the pitch, with excellent technique... xavi and invest are average athletes with supreme technique, skill, vision. More acconplished on the ball than ronaldo.

 

Lukaku is a very good athlete who can finish... that is pretty much it. His passing, Control, ability to hold up the ball is poor. That is fundamental footballing ability.

 

So given that is kone a better footballer? Yes. Just like osman was a better footballer than Cahill- does that mean he gets in the team ahead of him? Not necessarily.

[MC11]

I get what you mean Haf! Deeney probably is a better all round player that Lukaku. But like you say Lukakus main attributes outweigh Deeneys overall ability. Lukaku isn't a good footballer I understand what you mean by that. He struggles with the basics. I'd describe him as a battering ram that can finish.

[Paddock]

I cannot believe anyone would seriously think Troy Deeney is a better footballer than Lukaku.

 

I give up I really do. Troy fucking Deeney ??

[Paddock]

so is Kone mate

Everyone else must be wrong, all the scouts and managers interested in Lukaku and who put a price on his head must be doing something seriously wrong because they should be lining up to sign Kone and Deeney for 100 mil combined.

 

Jesus fucking wept.

[Hafnia]

Everyone else must be wrong, all the scouts and managers interested in Lukaku and who put a price on his head must be doing something seriously wrong because they should be lining up to sign Kone and Deeney for 100 mil combined.

 

Jesus fucking wept.

Are you understanding what I'm saying by a better "footballer" though?

 

An acid test is 5 a side games on a small pitch. Giving and receiving the ball fast, quick, touch and move. Any lack of control or inability to pass and look after it gets punished.

 

Pienaar, osman, arteta, baines, barkley,... bet your bottom dollar they would be first picks.

 

Lukaku? Absolutely no chance. Give him the ball in tight quarters and the opponent wins it.

 

Compare him to what we seem with kone - yeah he's not a finisher like Rom but he got the ball and could control it, pass it, play give and go's,

 

I'm not talking about effectiveness... as a runner on the ball with space to go one on one lukaku is good.... as a footballer he isn't good, his application of the basics is poor which is why he could never play for a Barcelona or other possession based team.

Edited December 18, 2016 by Hafnia

[Hafnia]

I get what you mean Haf! Deeney probably is a better all round player that Lukaku. But like you say Lukakus main attributes outweigh Deeneys overall ability. Lukaku isn't a good footballer I understand what you mean by that. He struggles with the basics. I'd describe him as a battering ram that can finish.

And there lies the problem... Redknapp said it he should be a bettering ram who bullies defenders but he doesn't.

 

There is no point in expecting him to look after the ball and link up play because he can't. He loses it way too often.

 

If we were strong enough to carry him as some sort of fillip inzaghi then ok yeah... but we need to spend £200m on other players to do that.

[Paddock]

Are you understanding what I'm saying by a better "footballer" though?

 

An acid test is 5 a side games on a small pitch. Giving and receiving the ball fast, quick, touch and move. Any lack of control or inability to pass and look after it gets punished.

 

Pienaar, osman, arteta, baines, barkley,... bet your bottom dollar they would be first picks.

 

Lukaku? Absolutely no chance. Give him the ball in tight quarters and the opponent wins it.

 

Compare him to what we seem with kone - yeah he's not a finisher like Rom but he got the ball and could control it, pass it, play give and go's,

 

I'm not talking about effectiveness... as a runner on the ball with space to go one on one lukaku is good.... as a footballer he isn't good, his application of the basics is poor which is why he could never play for a Barcelona or other possession based team.

Yes Haf, I understand exactly what you're trying to say and I've already said that Deeney is not as good a footballer as Lukaku, in any department. He works harder but he has to work hard because he's a championship striker at best. There's a massive reason why Lukaku is worth treble Deeneys price and there's a reason Deeney reached the lofty heights of Watford and Lukaku will go on to play for a top champions league team. The reason is he is better.

 

Haf, you're hatred of Lukaku and your blind quest to prove a point is seriously out of control mate. Every post no matter where it is or what it's about you are throwing comparisons in or blaming him for one thing or another. You're not going to change peoples minds because you're wrong. You have some very valid poinnts on him but you're hell bent on trying to prove yourself right and you're flogging a dead horse.

 

Just let it go, you don't like him and he probably isn't as good as some think but the truth probably lies somewhere in betweenyours and others opinions.

 

He isn't remotely as bad as you make him out to be and to say Kone and Deeney are better thanhim is laughable. If they were why aren't they or haven't they gone on to bigger and better things like Lukaku will in thenext couple of years?

[Bailey]

Would Troy Deeney have scored the goals that Rom did against Chelsea last season or City this? They werent just because he can only run and finish.

 

Deeney 's passing and touch at times against us was just as shocking as Roms can be and he at least had another lad up front doing an equal share of the donkey work. If Deeney was any good he would have scored 2 or 3 himself but I'm not even sure he had a shot on target?

 

Deeney probably understands the league better than Rom, and he understands that he has to work harder because and make the most of the more limited ability he has. That is the key difference because hard work gets you further than natural ability should and whilst Deeney has learnt that throughout his career, Lukaku hasn't had to.

 

Lukaku adds far more to the team than Deeney, he scores more, he creates more, he does things Deeney can only dream of but he doesn't have that grit that Deeney has to run that extra 5% etc. Deeney might therefore help his team mates out more than Lukaku but no matter how much you want to dismiss it, goals scored and chances created are king.

[Matt]

I understand, Haf. You want a rounded player, those debating against you want a specialist up front. The reason being, most positions require a specialist, and the group of specialists come together as a team. If you had a team of just "footballers", as you're suggesting, we'd never get anywhere. It's why people get annoyed with stand-ins in a position, or players doing a job to fill a gap - you need players playing to their strengths for the good of the club.

 

I accept Lukakus weaknesses because they're not the most important part of his game contributing to the team; his goals and assists are. Midfield is supposed to be the engine, the fullbacks too in our team. The keeper, just like the striker are a much more 1 dimenional role; score or stop the opposition scoring.

Edited December 18, 2016 by Matt