Matt Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Barkley has had some stick... He didn't play well but he at least showed and didn't hide. The annoying thing is that Rom didn't need to "play well"... He just needed to try. He was up against dog shit defenders who he would batter when he fancied it. It's almost starting to beg the question:- can he only make an impact if the team play well? Because let's be honest if he is attempting to pass to a team mate 9 times in the opponents 3rd and 8 of them go to the opposition them it's a problem.... a serious problem. If one of his teammates had those stats they would be hauled off. Think that's true of most positions Agreed, but only if there was someone anywhere near the finishing abilty,which we don't really have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Think that's true of most positions Agreed, but only if there was someone anywhere near the finishing abilty,which we don't really have. For the first part no. I believe that £60m+ players can stand as beacons in a poor performing side... I recall seeing Suarez for Liverpool against Norwich. Liverpool were awful and he grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck. You can't talk about yourself as a player of champions league ambition when you allow yourself to be dominated by championship level defenders. It's all very well rolling Keane with a nice piece of skill one week... the next week not even bothering your arse against shite defenders is not the attribute of a mega money striker. To the final argument - we could sell Rom and buy 3 or 4 top quality players who will create competition for places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) Kone, Bony, Defoe.... sounds like Trumpton Edited April 24, 2017 by Rubecula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 For the first part no. I believe that £60m+ players can stand as beacons in a poor performing side... I recall seeing Suarez for Liverpool against Norwich. Liverpool were awful and he grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck. You can't talk about yourself as a player of champions league ambition when you allow yourself to be dominated by championship level defenders. It's all very well rolling Keane with a nice piece of skill one week... the next week not even bothering your arse against shite defenders is not the attribute of a mega money striker. To the final argument - we could sell Rom and buy 3 or 4 top quality players who will create competition for places. But for now we can't, hence he stays on. The rest is all dependent on how much we get for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Shall we look at some stats? :major overreaction alert: Matt and Lowensda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 But for now we can't, hence he stays on. The rest is all dependent on how much we get for him If he stays we still need another striker - absolutely no doubt in my mind. We need that other striker to light the fire under his backside. The only time he was dropped for another striker was when kone came in for him... He was pissed off. He never thought he would be dropped. He admitted he needed it. Without a decent striker to be able to step in and do a job I don't believe we will see consistency from him. Romey 1878 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 If he stays we still need another striker - absolutely no doubt in my mind. We need that other striker to light the fire under his backside. The only time he was dropped for another striker was when kone came in for him... He was pissed off. He never thought he would be dropped. He admitted he needed it. Without a decent striker to be able to step in and do a job I don't believe we will see consistency from him. Leasing scorer in the prem and you are asking for consistency? He wont play well every game, nobody does. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Yay, some new stats! Just what we all wanted on a Monday. nutmegwolf203, Romey 1878 and Lowensda 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Leasing scorer in the prem and you are asking for consistency? He wont play well every game, nobody does. Consistency in effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Consistency in effort. costa, kane, aguero, sanchez, none of them offer that as well. no one does. not even messi or ronaldo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 costa, kane, aguero, sanchez, none of them offer that as well. no one does. not even messi or ronaldo. Last 3 away games his effort has been shite.... Completely and utterly shite. Have I seen any of them lot above do that? Not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) Last 3 away games his effort has been shite.... Completely and utterly shite. Have I seen any of them lot above do that? Not really. then you must not watch a lot of football. costa had a bend before christmas and just before the FA cup victory where the fans said get rid he's loafing. Same with ronaldo, if you watched the last Champions league match it was pathetic (which he's been most of the season), he was in the attacking third the whole match just waiting for someone to hoof it to him, walking around. Kane? read back some match reports and you'll see even your superhero has lazy days where he's not consistent. Edited April 24, 2017 by markjazzbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Don't agree re Sanchez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 costa, kane, aguero, sanchez, none of them offer that as well. no one does. not even messi or ronaldo. Good call on Messi. One of the lasiest players I've ever watched live. Just stands around half the time looking genuinely bored, then pops up and does something brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Good call on Messi. One of the lasiest players I've ever watched live. Just stands around half the time looking genuinely bored, then pops up and does something brilliant. Yep... That's why maradona is the greatest. Messi is fortunate that he has 10 players around him that enable him to walk around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Messi Lazy? Is that sarcasm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Just read that Barcelona are plotting a summer move for Shane Long... straight swap for Messi. Reports say they are after a player who runs more. Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Berbatov. Right lazy git. Still loved watching him play! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Messi isn't lazy. He just doesn't move around a lot. He's happy to sit on the touchline waiting for an opportunity. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Who's the other Messi? The one I watch is generally a thorn in defenders sides. Always nipping at them and being a pain in the arse. I am talking about the Barca Messi though, not the other one. nutmegwolf203 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Yep... That's why maradona is the greatest. Messi is fortunate that he has 10 players around him that enable him to walk around. That why haf wouldn't want Messi! Too lazy and he'd probably moan about his touch ?? Then we'd have the obligatory shoehorned stats to try to prove his point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Messi doesn't make enough goal line clearances for me. Goals are one thing....loads of goals... hundreds of them, but if your not flexible....what's the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 That why haf wouldn't want Messi! Too lazy and he'd probably moan about his touch ?? Then we'd have the obligatory shoehorned stats to try to prove his point. Yeah I think I would struggle with his 35% pass completion... his inability to create goals out of nothing... his awful touch... his lack of ability to influence big games and make top class defenders look stupid. Then throw in the fact that he's always talking about leaving his club? Talking about being one of the best and is permanently moaning at his team mates. No I wouldn't have him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Yeah I think I would struggle with his 35% pass completion... his inability to create goals out of nothing... his awful touch... his lack of ability to influence big games and make top class defenders look stupid. Then throw in the fact that he's always talking about leaving his club? Talking about being one of the best and is permanently moaning at his team mates. No I wouldn't have him I'm confused. You wouldn't have Messi? Or is that sarcasm?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 I'm confused. You wouldn't have Messi? Or is that sarcasm?! is that sarcasm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 "looks like we are at 1st street and the intersection of.......1st street!? how can a street intersect with itself!!? we must be at the nexus of the universe!!!" - kramer in an episode of seinfeld Sibdane, nutmegwolf203 and holystove 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Rom pays his taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 Rom pays his taxes. And he doesn't dye his hair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 is that sarcasm? No. I'm lost. I've no idea where this has gone!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 No. I'm lost. I've no idea where this has gone!!! When I said Messi has a poor touch... surely the sarcasm must have registered? He's technically the most brilliant player on the planet... by some distance too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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