Shukes Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 It's Ok I'm pretty passed with myself for being so critical of him. It's almost like he's my kid and I want everyone to see how good he is. I can't wait for the time when I am sitting in a pub looking smug and telling friends "I told you so ". I just want him to relax and enjoy it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 he's an exceptional player in the making but haf, i dont know what games you watch. his vision is shite still cause he's looking at the ball the whole time while people are making runs off him. when hes not in ful flow, he needs to take fewer touches cause we become slow and predictable. wayne rooney is his type of player with less legs but he has the vision to pick killrt passes out. thats the difference. you think its his decision making its not, his decision making is poor cause he hasnt got the vision yet. Sideliner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 i thought he had a great game, he made a couple driving runs and started to get moving the ball past 2 CM's while driving forward to create open space for other players. Goal and a penalty drawn, i feel that yesterday i felt myself saying he in finally back to being ross. I"m excited for the rest of the season because I think he might be able to pull us out of this slump and get us pumping again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 he's an exceptional player in the making but haf, i dont know what games you watch. his vision is shite still cause he's looking at the ball the whole time while people are making runs off him. when hes not in ful flow, he needs to take fewer touches cause we become slow and predictable. wayne rooney is his type of player with less legs but he has the vision to pick killrt passes out. thats the difference. you think its his decision making its not, his decision making is poor cause he hasnt got the vision yet. Having watched him play for Wednesday and for us, I can honestly say that his vision is very good for a player his age. His decision making which is just as important, is getting better. Both will improve with time. If you want an example then look at the Newcastle game at GP in general and his assist for Lukaku in particular. You could also look at the Swansea game at the Liberty. It also takes time for players to get used to his vision so they know when to make runs etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Let him play in a deeper role before judging his vision. Half the time he's on the edge of a crowded box. I think he'll be boss as a box to box centre mid next to McCarthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 His vision is up there with the best, he has the "picture", it's just that at times he needs to balance out what he can do on the ball himself and when he needs to give it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 I would like to know how many assists he's had this season? I can only think of the Newcastle and the arsenal game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Based on vision = assists rickie Lambert must have great vision. There is really no point debating if it is "Barkley has no vision", see how often he can pass seconds after having seen his own player in a different place and get it spot on. Rooney, Gerrard, Suarez, Silva, all have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 No Haf what I'm trying to say is, if he knew when to keep it and when to release it, his assists would double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 You're both saying the same thing but in a different way. Its right too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/466467/Everton-boss-Roberto-Martinez-is-adamant-that-Ross-Barkley-can-become-the-real-star-turn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 seems like they're callin the poor lad thick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Some of the best footballers in the world have had low I.Q, I think with Barkley confidence is the key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee_in_LA Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 I think it's amazing how humble he truly is. To make a comparison, I am a big NBA fan, and have seen countless rookies come into the league and when they have a good game, give an interview where they think they are on top of the world and are the best around. When Barkley did his interview (with Jags in tow), he was so nervous, and that made him seem a lot more human. Sure most if not all big sports figures had a bit of arrogance, but Barkley is still young (ffs, he's a year younger than I am) and this is his first full season. I see nothing but greatness happening for him and the club with him here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Thieves me admitting that maybe I saw it play out wrongly. Read a few reports today and journos have gave him Mom. Thinking that maybe it's me expecting too much from him at such a young age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 He just needs to mature and play the games he should have been playing in the years previous through one thing or another. I have seen plenty of evidence to suggest he has pretty good vision and I think its more of a case that he almost thinks too much on the ball. The impression I get is that about 10 options run through his head when he picks up the ball and instead of committing to one and executing it he changes his mind and then probably changes his mind again. When he is forced into having one option he tends to make something of it but when he has options in front of him he cocks it up. Lukaku isnt much different either in that respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 I feel sorry for Barkley and lukaku for that matter. When you watch teams like liverpool if someone had the ball in an attacking position you see three other players busting there balls to get into goal scoring postions running in all sorts of holes. I get the feeling when we do it we have three other players watching the player with the ball waiting to see what he is going to do with it next. I really wish RM would use this scenario in a training drill to get players to move more off the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) I feel sorry for Barkley and lukaku for that matter. When you watch teams like liverpool if someone had the ball in an attacking position you see three other players busting there balls to get into goal scoring postions running in all sorts of holes. I get the feeling when we do it we have three other players watching the player with the ball waiting to see what he is going to do with it next. I really wish RM would use this scenario in a training drill to get players to move more off the ball.How can you compare any of our players to theirs? All their forwards can make their own goals..... that is the difference and it's huge. They have a proper playmaker who can make inch perfect splitting passes (coutinho) and they also play with two sitters who can go forward and defend. (Gerrard and Hendersen) This is the difference. All their players can interchange and push forward whilst we are stuck with two deep lying DEFENSIVE only sitters! Deulofeu, Coleman, Mirallas & Barkley are the only attacking players who don't rely on service. The rest need to be played in. Liverpool have just got the balance of their whole forward play virtually perfect. They are a classic counter attacking team. Edited March 24, 2014 by MiguelCotto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Fuck off ya red shite troll. Wasn't talking to you. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Fuck off ya red shite troll. Wasn't talking to you. Stop trying to suggest it's down to tactics. We play exactly the same formation as them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 We may play with two defence only players, but Liverpools full backs aren't as important to their attacking threat as ours are. It also gives us the freedom to attack with six players, and four holding back. If we had seven attacking and only three at the back it would be frightening. See the Liverpool and Arsenal games to see how prone we are to counter attacks, I can't imagine the damage if we weakened that further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Stop trying to suggest it's down to tactics. We play exactly the same formation as them. No, we don't. Not any more, they have evolved from their 433 to a more narrow 442 with a "diamond" shaped midfield. Their midfielders have completely different role than ours do, and they play with two forwards who are in out of this world form. We play with one/three depending how you would like to call it. Also, it's all down to tactics. EFC-Paul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) No, we don't. Not any more, they have evolved from their 433 to a more narrow 442 with a "diamond" shaped midfield. Their midfielders have completely different role than ours do, and they play with two forwards who are in out of this world form. We play with one/three depending how you would like to call it. Also, it's all down to tactics. They played that diamond against United and was interchanged throughout the game. Edited March 25, 2014 by MiguelCotto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Very true. I agree. We don't play with the diamond do we? Therefore we don't play the same formation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Barkley is amazing! Great performance and really made me eat my words, what a goal! This is what we want to see from him and hopefully he will push on now. Knew Newcastle suited him but that was a performance right up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hafnia Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Blimey when you look at it the right thing to do was play Lukaku in.... oh well!!! Matt and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Leonardo on match of the day last weekend hit the nail on the head. "English players lack a bit of arrogance". I think this goal shows Ross has got that greediness and arrogance in his locker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof_It_Nev Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Yeah thought this at the time, really should have fed Lukaku through. If he had missed that this thread would be a completely different vibe! nutmegwolf203, Sibdane and Toffee_in_LA 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Blimey when you look at it the right thing to do was play Lukaku in.... oh well!!! I was screaming at the screen for him to do just that. Sibdane, Toffee_in_LA and pete0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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