Longest Thread! for Everton Discussion

[patto]

4 hours ago, MikeO said:

He's been cleared of any wrong doing, so how do you reach the conclusion that he ruined anything?

So you actually think he never slept with the babysitter. 
if so are they going to get charged with wasting police time. 
apparently the doubt was about the girls age. 
I do think he was set up but that’s beside the point. 

[London Blue]

2 hours ago, Goodison Glory said:

Perhaps @London Blue can provide some perspective.

I find it staggering that the case was open so long and he was never charged. I am not say that I think he should've been charged - I actually don't/can't have an informed opinion because I don't know the inner workings of the case - I just find it incredible that they keep the case open for so long without bringing charges. Surely they could've known earlier that the evidence didn't meet their thresholds.

He has had his life irrevocably impacted and I just think the police could've made a determination one way or the other sooner.

Complex cases, especially ones with children can take along time to investigate. Two years is along time, but as others have said the CPS will often ask for more evidence once a case is submitted too them, which Police have to find, which can lead to more questions and so on. 

Ultimately CPS will decide what if anything a person is charged with. I imagine there were regular reviews of the case. The threshold is usually a realistic chance of conviction in court. With juvenile evidence this can be hard.

We operate with innocent until proven guilty. So he is innocent. We don't know the facts so have to trust the decision. 

[MikeO]

36 minutes ago, patto said:

So you actually think he never slept with the babysitter. 
if so are they going to get charged with wasting police time. 
apparently the doubt was about the girls age. 
I do think he was set up but that’s beside the point. 

I know as little as you do, I'm just not willing to judge him. The legal system says he's innocent so he is, whatever your opinion.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

41 minutes ago, patto said:

So you actually think he never slept with the babysitter. 
if so are they going to get charged with wasting police time. 
apparently the doubt was about the girls age. 
I do think he was set up but that’s beside the point. 

Where did you hear it was the babysitter?

[chicagoblue]

23 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Complex cases, especially ones with children can take along time to investigate. Two years is along time, but as others have said the CPS will often ask for more evidence once a case is submitted too them, which Police have to find, which can lead to more questions and so on. 

Ultimately CPS will decide what if anything a person is charged with. I imagine there were regular reviews of the case. The threshold is usually a realistic chance of conviction in court. With juvenile evidence this can be hard.

We operate with innocent until proven guilty. So he is innocent. We don't know the facts so have to trust the decision. 

Right, big difference between "innocent" and "didn't do anything scuzzy".  Police obviously presented material to CPS that polic thought were worth something.  CPS says it didn't meet charge approval standards.  Having briefly worked in and around that interface the gap between the evidence gathered and the charge approval standard could be massive (ie: all a misunderstanding), or it could be very little (ie: not quite enough direct evidence to prove intent).  

 

Proud that Everton, unlike some other unnamed club currently aiming for the title, actually took decisive action.  

[patto]

1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Where did you hear it was the babysitter?

Maybe enough has already been said Duncan. 

[MikeO]

8 minutes ago, patto said:

Maybe enough has already been said Duncan. 

Only by you, nobody else has suggested they know anything.

[Zoo 2.0]

6 hours ago, patto said:

How foolish he ruined his marriage and what was left of his career 

He's been cleared you daft cunt.

[MikeO]

32 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

He's been cleared you daft cunt.

Bringing clarity to the debate as ever

[patto]

34 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

He's been cleared you daft cunt.

Band of brothers again wtf is wrong with you pricks 

im allowed my opinion. 

[StevO]

1 hour ago, patto said:

Band of brothers again wtf is wrong with you pricks 

im allowed my opinion. 

You are allowed your opinion, we all are, doesn’t make it right to spout crap like shagging the babysitter though. 

[patto]

6 hours ago, StevO said:

You are allowed your opinion, we all are, doesn’t make it right to spout crap like shagging the babysitter though. 

How do you know it’s crap you don’t have a Scooby what it was all about. 

[Wiggytop]

2 hours ago, patto said:

How do you know it’s crap you don’t have a Scooby what it was all about. 

And you do?

[Matt]

2 hours ago, patto said:

How do you know it’s crap you don’t have a Scooby what it was all about. 

Because after 2 years of investigation he's been cleared. So your opinion is without merit, at all.

Unless, of course, you have some actual proof, in which case you should've been in contact with the authorities. 

[Romey 1878]

Can't believe I missed all this!

[patto]

13 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Can't believe I missed all this!

All I said was he was foolish then the usual sarcastic abuse starts by the usual suspects. 

[Matt]

6 minutes ago, patto said:

All I said was he was foolish then the usual sarcastic abuse starts by the usual suspects. 

No you didn't, you accused him of the thing he's been cleared of. 

[Romey 1878]

11 minutes ago, patto said:

All I said was he was foolish then the usual sarcastic abuse starts by the usual suspects. 

I don't think there was anything sarcastic about what they said to you tbh. They were being totally serious after you made a pretty strong allegation.

[patto]

8 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I don't think there was anything sarcastic about what they said to you tbh. They were being totally serious after you made a pretty strong allegation.

So everyone thinks he was innocent let’s see what comes next. 
I presume the girl will be charged and the guy who leaked it months before it came out will be. 
so let’s just wait and see what happens. 

[Romey 1878]

21 minutes ago, patto said:

So everyone thinks he was innocent let’s see what comes next. 
I presume the girl will be charged and the guy who leaked it months before it came out will be. 
so let’s just wait and see what happens. 

That's not what people are saying, but ok.

[StevO]

3 hours ago, patto said:

How do you know it’s crap you don’t have a Scooby what it was all about. 

That’s the point. You don’t either. 

[Gwlad]

13 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Where did you hear it was the babysitter?

I understood he and his wife didn't have children. 

[StevO]

1 hour ago, patto said:

All I said was he was foolish then the usual sarcastic abuse starts by the usual suspects. 

I think you are confusing “the usual suspects” with the people who are responsible for the site trying to keep some sense of order regarding quite a serious topic. 

[Romey 1878]

5 minutes ago, StevO said:

I think you are confusing “the usual suspects” with the people who are responsible for the site trying to keep some sense of order regarding quite a serious topic. 

I didn't get the memo that Zoo had joined the band of brothers. Is he on percussion?

[c1982]

11 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said:

I understood he and his wife didn't have children. 

They’d just had their first child months before said incident involving the unnamed Premier League football player that may or may not be Gylfi Sigurdsson.

[London Blue]

I lived in Bristol, at the time Fred and Rose Wests horrendous crimes came to light. I was only a kid. I remember a house down our street getting fire-bombed. The guys who did it got caught, and said they were proud they did it as the guy was a pedophile. 

He wasn't he was a pediatrician. The people who did it were thick cunts, who took the law into their own hands. 

Shit like that is one of the reasons why we have a legal system. Someone is innocent until proven guilty. It's not perfect, it makes mistakes but it does give us protection and justice.

We don't know what happened, probably never will. Just prey for all those affected by it, as it must be Hell to be a victim and not see someone brought to trial, or an innocent person or their family accused of being a pedophile. 

[Hafnia]

Well….. I’m glad Everton did the right thing and I hope all innocent parties are doing well. There is no winner in this situation, lives ruined one way or another. 
 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-could-follow-brighton-model-26714974

[Gwlad]

Thinking about present I think we probably have a Championship squad at this time being paid Prem wages.

[Cornish Steve]

Despite this season's drought, we've still scored more goals than any other Premier League/First Division team.