Avinalaff Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 Maybe we need to take this discussion out of the New Manager thread, so I'll find somewhere to cause trouble and await the sirens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 Some have watched Wigan play and trust what they saw. Di Santo has got very few attributes going for him. The surest way to actually change into a relegation struggler is signing Wigan's second choice striker. To be fair Di Santo tore us apart at Goodison a couple of years ago. Did I hear right that he's actually been capped by Argentina now?! I don't actually think he's awful, got some really good attributes in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 To be fair Di Santo tore us apart at Goodison a couple of years ago. Did I hear right that he's actually been capped by Argentina now?! I don't actually think he's awful, got some really good attributes in fact. bench warming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 bench warming? His attributes certainly don't include many goals. Which is what you'd want from a striker. He's good at running round though, I'll give him that. But I did think we'd moved on from having a headless chicken upfront. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 His attributes certainly don't include many goals. Which is what you'd want from a striker. He's good at running round though, I'll give him that. But I did think we'd moved on from having a headless chicken upfront. Goals no but hold up play, power and pretty decent when running with the ball. He may end up becoming a half decent player. *disclaimer... I'm not saying I want him, just he's not as bad as many make out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 2 points Haf: Everton are 46m in debt. Wigan are 12m in debt. In my book, we are therefore poorer than Wigan by 34m. Not sure how we can look at it any other way. Midfield wise, how are we stronger? We lost Arteta, Bilyaletdinov, Gosling, Rodwell, Drenthe, Wallace, Gueye, and Cahill, all with the exception of Wallace were getting first team football, and we already had Fellaini, Osman, Barkley, Pienaar (spurs noted) etc etc. We've since brought in Gibson, Kennedy, Hitz, and Junior. Mirallas is much more of a striker. We are short of bodies for midfield, and could do with investment. It may be we have to sell a big name in order to do this. Wigan operate on a totally different model to us, think of the debt as a mortgage and the turnover as someone's income. Wigan live in a one bed flat with a £100k mortgage and bring home £150 a week. They have to shop in netto for their groceries (players). We live in a 3 bed detached house with a £250k mortgage and bring home £500 a week. We get our groceries from asda. Point is the debt needs to be relevant to the turnover, our debt is manageable the same as wigans but ultimately wigans revenue means they can't afford to pay players anywhere near the wages we can. Wigan are a small club, low attendance (revenue) and small fan base. We are a big club, we can service higher running costs better = players wages. Out of all the midfielders you mention name one who would get into our starting 11 bar arteta? When I say we are no weaker/ as strong, we have as good a starting midfield a we have done. We have just got rid of dead wood. Having a collection of players not good enough for first 11 does not make us atronger. I would argue that having the likes of mirallas, lundstrum and Barkley getting better is more favourable. We clearly have a few mill for a midfielder which we could do with as per the leroy fer bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 Wigan operate on a totally different model to us, think of the debt as a mortgage and the turnover as someone's income. Wigan live in a one bed flat with a £100k mortgage and bring home £150 a week. They have to shop in netto for their groceries (players). We live in a 3 bed detached house with a £250k mortgage and bring home £500 a week. We get our groceries from asda. Point is the debt needs to be relevant to the turnover, our debt is manageable the same as wigans but ultimately wigans revenue means they can't afford to pay players anywhere near the wages we can. Wigan are a small club, low attendance (revenue) and small fan base. We are a big club, we can service higher running costs better = players wages. Out of all the midfielders you mention name one who would get into our starting 11 bar arteta? When I say we are no weaker/ as strong, we have as good a starting midfield a we have done. We have just got rid of dead wood. Having a collection of players not good enough for first 11 does not make us atronger. I would argue that having the likes of mirallas, lundstrum and Barkley getting better is more favourable. We clearly have a few mill for a midfielder which we could do with as per the leroy fer bid. That's a fair explanation of your point Haf (I'm far too nice to you lately - it will have to stop). Still, almost 50m of debt is almost 50m of debt, and should sell our best players and pay it back, or how can we ever close down without our chairman having to work far beyond retirement age. It's simply not on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosetoffee Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 Wigan best winger was Di Santo...... And he is shit. Rather keep Naismith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 That's a fair explanation of your point Haf (I'm far too nice to you lately - it will have to stop). Still, almost 50m of debt is almost 50m of debt, and should sell our best players and pay it back, or how can we ever close down without our chairman having to work far beyond retirement age. It's simply not on. The good news (relatively) is the the new tv money coming in will devalue debt somewhat. This extra money clubs will get will dilute such debts. Example:- you have a credit card bill of £5k that you are paying £20 a month off (you spent the £5k on nice clothes to go out and pull) it seems massive as all you can afford is £20. All of a sudden everyone including you get a £1000 bonus and a 20% pay rise. That debt seems a lot lighter you feel like you can wipe a lot of it out. The problem is, all your rivals are spending big, they are getting the best gear and you need to get laid! That £5k can be wiped out but you will look like a gimp... And you ain't gettin laid. Matt and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 The good news (relatively) is the the new tv money coming in will devalue debt somewhat. This extra money clubs will get will dilute such debts. Example:- you have a credit card bill of £5k that you are paying £20 a month off (you spent the £5k on nice clothes to go out and pull) it seems massive as all you can afford is £20. All of a sudden everyone including you get a £1000 bonus and a 20% pay rise. That debt seems a lot lighter you feel like you can wipe a lot of it out. The problem is, all your rivals are spending big, they are getting the best gear and you need to get laid! That £5k can be wiped out but you will look like a gimp... And you ain't gettin laid. So, Everton should become gay? marcopaulo and Quinn31 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Would somebody be brave enough to put their money on Pereira ? He is leaving Porto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 In a word, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 http://www.football365.com/everton/8757771/Campbell-excited-by-Martinez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 http://www.football365.com/everton/8757771/Campbell-excited-by-Martinez I heard that on the radio, it seems he thinks the same as I do. He did touch on moyes being somewhat restrictive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted June 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 The press conference is scheduled for 4pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirallas Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 I knew it I said in shoutbox this morning that today was going to be the day Boy I'm better at being Peter H than Peter H is. Peter H 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosetoffee Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 (edited) I reckoned it was going to be just short of a month we would name our manager. He has my full support, wish him the best of luck at our great club :-) Edited June 5, 2013 by bluenosetoffee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Is this from the club Louis or just the SSN rumour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22750453 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22750453 Speculation matey. There could still be a surprise knowing Everton. Pen runs out type thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Speculation matey. There could still be a surprise knowing Everton. Pen runs out type thing. You sure it ain't wishful thinking on your behalf Av? I know you will get behind him once he's here - to be honest I will have a friendly bet that by Christmas you will be delighted with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogsy Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 http://bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22750453 Just incase anybody was in doubt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 4pm this afternnon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 4pm this afternnon Get working on your new Avatar.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codders78 Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Press conference called for 4.00pm today http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/article/2/8758284/everton-to-unveil-martinez Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Get working on your new Avatar.... Do you want me to make you one Haf ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted June 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Is this from the club Louis or just the SSN rumour? The club have confirmed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Meh, I'm not creaming my pants over Martinez but he's much better than the shite we've been linked with. The only two I'd have over him are Pereira & the Schalke bloke. He's a million steps ahead of Lennon, O'Neill, Redknapp and the other bum-duffers the press have linked us with. SimonButtle, Matt and Quinn31 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 So its still not confirmed to be Martinez? No news apart from the press conference? Curve ball anyone? Haha *puts on hat made from tin foil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 So its still not confirmed to be Martinez? No news apart from the press conference? Curve ball anyone? Haha *puts on hat made from tin foil Tbh, I don't think anyone else was even in the running and the other names we were linked with were a load of press made shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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