Quinn31 Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just realized we play West Ham last match of the season. Would be remarkable if it came down to us and West Ham in a relegation fight match last day.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 5 hours ago, Quinn31 said: Just realized we play West Ham last match of the season. Would be remarkable if it came down to us and West Ham in a relegation fight match last day.... Just don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Moyes just had a bit of a dickhead attitude. He did a pretty good job here, but his attitude stopped him from getting any further. West Ham is a great job for now though. Decent chairman, money, and enough players in the squad to get them.higher up the league without too many problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 On 20/11/2017 at 14:34, Quinn31 said: Because Everton fans are always fickle and often irrational. An emotional bunch, not always a logical bunch. 1. Underselling the club and expectations - Common workplace sense, "underpromise, overdeliver". Yes, it can be quite annoying when done to the extreme, but most managers do it. The ones who don't are like Roberto Martinez - promise us Champions League and take us to eleventh. His overambition and overdreaminess certainly got old quickly. In the context of the fact that the club had battled relegation since the beginning of the PL era and that we were cash strapped, it was a great achievement to get us the consistency that Moyes did. Not necessarily in the overall context of the club, but you have to be with the times. 2. If we had sold Fellaini and Baines for 30m total, it would've been a masterstroke for Moyes and shown Kenwright's true inability in all things business. 3. Nobody argues that Moyes is great, but most argue that he was a consistent and more than competent performer here. I would really hate to be the ex-girlfriend of some of the members here.... There's a saying, "If you meet an asshole one day, you meet an asshole. If you meet an asshole everyday, you're the asshole." You don't undersell a football club.... certainly not a club that prided itself on being one of the best and proudest clubs in the land. He did a good job steadying the ship... he tried to make a fuckin career out of it. He was a hypocrite... slated players for leaving Everton and despite bagging £22m for joleon lescott he offers little more for Fellaini and Baines. It wasn't just the offer it was his behaviour to our club in the media afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 35 minutes ago, hafnia said: You don't undersell a football club.... certainly not a club that prided itself on being one of the best and proudest clubs in the land. He did a good job steadying the ship... he tried to make a fuckin career out of it. He was a hypocrite... slated players for leaving Everton and despite bagging £22m for joleon lescott he offers little more for Fellaini and Baines. It wasn't just the offer it was his behaviour to our club in the media afterwards. Ah, the joys of being a spectator instead of a manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 7 hours ago, Quinn31 said: Ah, the joys of being a spectator instead of a manager. You mean the joys of being a supporter of a club who you have grown up watching win leagues, cups and basically maintaining it's proud status as an elite club till some fans allow chairmen and managers to dilute that status.... to tell us "this is the best you can expect". You wanna accept mediocrity, downplayed expectations, second best then feel free. Personally every shitty sponsorship deal, sacked mercenary "couldn't give a shit"" manager, fucked up transfer window and gutless tactics is a kick in the bollocks to this club. Im not accepting people telling me that moyes was good cos he got us 6th place either. He was moaning about a glass ceiling years before he left. He was moaning about being unable to be a top 4 side whilst on top 2 wages. How many fuckin ways did he want it. Joe Royle fucked our calamitous board off because he knew they weren't Everton standard.... thing is he saved us from more certain relegation, delivered a cup, beat top 4 sides, and got us up the top of the table in the few years he was here. He never spent his time telling the world Everton can't dare to be where they should.... aaron and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 6 hours ago, hafnia said: You mean the joys of being a supporter of a club who you have grown up watching win leagues, cups and basically maintaining it's proud status as an elite club till some fans allow chairmen and managers to dilute that status.... to tell us "this is the best you can expect". You wanna accept mediocrity, downplayed expectations, second best then feel free. Personally every shitty sponsorship deal, sacked mercenary "couldn't give a shit"" manager, fucked up transfer window and gutless tactics is a kick in the bollocks to this club. Im not accepting people telling me that moyes was good cos he got us 6th place either. He was moaning about a glass ceiling years before he left. He was moaning about being unable to be a top 4 side whilst on top 2 wages. How many fuckin ways did he want it. Joe Royle fucked our calamitous board off because he knew they weren't Everton standard.... thing is he saved us from more certain relegation, delivered a cup, beat top 4 sides, and got us up the top of the table in the few years he was here. He never spent his time telling the world Everton can't dare to be where they should.... I think your problems lie with Sky TV, the backpass rule, foreign players, and the demise of long ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 55 minutes ago, Quinn31 said: I think your problems lie with Sky TV, the backpass rule, foreign players, and the demise of long ball. Sky TV and Richard Scudamore saved EFC - commercially we were/are an absolute joke. Only the increase in TV money meant that our debt was minimalized vs income which made our purchase more attractive. not too sure about the rest of what you wrote if i'm honest - I think my previous post clearly explains where I stand on the "tolerated demise" of our clubs standing within the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, hafnia said: Sky TV and Richard Scudamore saved EFC - commercially we were/are an absolute joke. Only the increase in TV money meant that our debt was minimalized vs income which made our purchase more attractive. not too sure about the rest of what you wrote if i'm honest - I think my previous post clearly explains where I stand on the "tolerated demise" of our clubs standing within the game. You ever think that not being in London doesn't have something to do with it? That's where all the true high dollar sponsors have offices thus generating the demand for corporate sponsorships and premium seating that brings in massive commercial and matchday revenue. Why have Spurs grown so much in financial clout? Arsenal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 51 minutes ago, Quinn31 said: You ever think that not being in London doesn't have something to do with it? That's where all the true high dollar sponsors have offices thus generating the demand for corporate sponsorships and premium seating that brings in massive commercial and matchday revenue. Why have Spurs grown so much in financial clout? Arsenal? Nope. Commercially have a look at Newcastle, Liverpool, man city, villa, Sunderland in those years. Look at elstones ridiculous kitbag and Chang deals.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 After the beating we gave him he has steadied the ship and they are out of the relegation zone. Arnautovic and lanzini have looked excellent. Credit to moyes seems he’s found a side that fits him well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: After the beating we gave him he has steadied the ship and they are out of the relegation zone. Arnautovic and lanzini have looked excellent. Credit to moyes seems he’s found a side that fits him well. What a shame. Paddock and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 Was curious how this would go - After three successive debacles, I was curious if he was a relic who wasn't fit to manage anymore. I had always known that his biggest problem was his decision making in picking jobs... Man U was too big for him and especially bad replacing SAF... He was a square peg in a round hole at Real Sociedad - not knowing anything about the language, culture, and La Liga. And then Sunderland.... A dumpster fire of a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Sunderland exposed his complete lack of appropriate player recruitment which arose due to him sticking to old tried and tested players using his scouting manual from 2007. I predicted he would go for players like anichebe and pienaar and crazy enough he did exactly that. At West ham he has some reasonable players to work with from an attacking perspective like lanzini. It remains to be seen what he does in the transfer market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 allegedly he claimed he can do any job in the world !!! Has he gone totally fucking mad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 50 minutes ago, rubecula said: allegedly he claimed he can do any job in the world !!! Has he gone totally fucking mad? He' done well for a fee games ffs. The man is a tit rubecula and Quinn31 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 He's getting more like Pardew every day. rubecula and Quinn31 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 The return of the Moyesiah. Any job in the world? Get in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/12/19/7-jobs-david-moyes-definitely-could-not-do-despite-new-found-confidence-hammers-boss Thought you all would get a kick out of this. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Quinn31 said: https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/12/19/7-jobs-david-moyes-definitely-could-not-do-despite-new-found-confidence-hammers-boss Thought you all would get a kick out of this. I did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/david-moyes-lifts-lid-secret-15231755 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/david-moyes-lifts-lid-secret-15231755 "I never got a chance to say, 'No'" What a pile of crap. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 58 minutes ago, MikeO said: "I never got a chance to say, 'No'" What a pile of crap. He had a choice as to how he was going to behave towards us when becoming the United manager. His behaviour over Baines and fellaini was awful. I understand it's business... but I would have been disappointed in a manager who had no ties to us behaving like that. It was mark hughes/lescott but twice as bad. I recall conversations I had with a chap who used to drive for a company - not exactly taxis.... more like a contract company who drove people around in mercs. He told me he did a fair few trips for Mr moyes which involved taking him to SAF's house. He liked him... it quite clearly involved chats over a bottle. I have no doubt moyes knew after pep told SAF that he wasn't interested. pete0 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 Still my favorite Everton manager we've had in my short time as a fan (January 2010). Hope Silva changes that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 Can’t wait until this man is as irrelevant to us as he is to the footballing world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 6 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Can’t wait until this man is as irrelevant to us as he is to the footballing world. Why would you say that, he's the best Manager we've had in the last forty years Mark.?? Edit ..... Or Since the mid 80s more like 35years. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, Bill said: Why would you say that, he's the best Manager we've had in the last forty years Mark.?? Edit ..... Or Since the mid 80s more like 35years. Why would I want to remember someone that is labelled as being the best we've had in that period but achieved the grand sum of nothing? I'm not in the habit of looking back fondly on mediocrity or celebrating it. When people look back at our history in another hundred years Moyes will be a footnote because he did nothing that anyone will remember. It'll be league title and cup wins that will be what is remembered. And him being made a total irrelevance will mean we've gone on to achieve things again in the proceeding years. Oh, and he's a gobshite, that's another reason why I'd say that pete0 and Hafnia 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Bill said: Why would you say that, he's the best Manager we've had in the last forty years Mark.?? Edit ..... Or Since the mid 80s more like 35years. I couldn't give a shit if he actually delivered us a trophy or beat Liverpool at anfield or indeed the other top 4 away from home in his 11 years..... He behaved like an utter prick during and after his time at goodison. His prickish behaviour "during" his time for me was how he leveraged our need for players/transfer budget to get a whopping contract. Once he got his mega contract he shut the fuck up about needing players and started saying he would use the loan market. He struck very lucky IMO in the fact that he managed to fall on a model that suited him and us. Buy low/pay high salary to retain players and play a rigid 4-5-1 which essentially turned a striker into a workhorse decoy for the 5th midfielder (cahill/fellaini) to exploit. A complete "circle the wagons" bottle job of a manager who made us afraid to play the best teams away from home and freeze up in cup games when we had the upper hand. Much of what I said about him in 2007 onwards turned out true.... he stopped evolving. Relied on his outdated scouting network and went for players that he knew rather than pitched their worth against current up and coming players. Take his time at Sunderland..... pienaar, Gibson, anichebe .... shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 Is that not tapping up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 I hear all of your opinions and what you think of him, but it doesn't alter the fact that he's been our best Manager in the last 35 years. Matt and Quinn31 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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