Steve_E Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I think it's going to be that Oriol Riera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I think it's going to be that Oriol Riera. i must be warped in the head, I read that and immediately thought of topless beauties in St Tropez Steve_E and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Blackburn have to sell because of Fair Play rules, so what about Jordan Rhodes? He seems forever in the lower leagues, but he is a proven and consistent goalscorer. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Blackburn have to sell because of Fair Play rules, so what about Jordan Rhodes? He seems forever in the lower leagues, but he is a proven and consistent goalscorer. Not in the Premier League hes not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Nobody in the prem has been in for him as far as I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I think it's going to be that Oriol Riera. I bet he kisses the managers arse with a name like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Not in the Premier League hes not I know I've made this argument before, and it is flawed, but the goal is the same size, as is the ball, and Rhodes seems to know how to get said ball into said goal consistently. He's only not done that in the Premiership because he's not been given a chance, why not now? I'd be worried about how much he would cost though... Edited January 16, 2014 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 you get more chances in the lower leagues...beckford was a perfect example...great positioning but didn't score as many in this league because he didn't get 4-5 chances a game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I know I've made this argument before, and it is flawed, but the goal is the same size, as is the ball, and Rhodes seems to know how to get said ball into said goal consistently. He's only not done that in the Premiership because he's not been given a chance, why not now? I'd be worried about how much he would cost though... If it was that easy Premier League clubs would be buying the leading scorers from the Conference and they'd replicate it at the top. Like Marco said, it's about the amount of chances. And also, the Premier League is played at a much faster speed and players from lower league's often can't cope with it. When they do make the step up you hear them talking about how much faster just training is, nevermind a proper game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) I said it was a flawed argument, but it has worked from the Championship for us before. I know there are less chances, the games quicker, etc. but sometimes you take a chance... Edited January 16, 2014 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Technical ability is the difference really and how clinical a striker is. You get one opportunity to score in the prem, to the championship's 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Let's put it this way: Rhodes scores far more goals than Ince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Let's put it this way: Rhodes scores far more goals than Ince. One plays as an out and out striker, the other plays mostly as a winger... so you'd expect that? Lowensda and Ant1979 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 One plays as an out and out striker, the other plays mostly as a winger... so you'd expect that? But the point is that we covet some players with no Premier League experience while slamming others. There's no logic to it. If a player, year after year, can score a boatload of goals in the lower leagues, why does he not deserve the opportunity to prove it in the Prem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant1979 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 But the point is that we covet some players with no Premier League experience while slamming others. There's no logic to it. If a player, year after year, can score a boatload of goals in the lower leagues, why does he not deserve the opportunity to prove it in the Prem? If they're good enough most do get the opportunity in the prem eventually, some succeed some don't - Beckford, Nugent, etc. I'm sure somebody will give Rhodes a chance in the prem, assuming Blackburn don't get promoted that is. They paid £8m for him though I think? They would want to make a profit considering he's still scoring the goals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 But the point is that we covet some players with no Premier League experience while slamming others. There's no logic to it. If a player, year after year, can score a boatload of goals in the lower leagues, why does he not deserve the opportunity to prove it in the Prem? Because he likely doesn't have the exotic allure of somebody coming from [insert overhyped country here]. If they play in England, people think they are a known quantity. We seem to overlook how some of our best players have come from shitty leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant1979 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Because he likely doesn't have the exotic allure of somebody coming from [insert overhyped country here]. If they play in England, people think they are a known quantity. We seem to overlook how some of our best players have come from shitty leagues. But looking at it from the other point of view, you could buy 4 Michu's for the price of a Rhodes. Just playing devil's advocate here that's all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Because he likely doesn't have the exotic allure of somebody coming from [insert overhyped country here]. If they play in England, people think they are a known quantity. We seem to overlook how some of our best players have come from shitty leagues. Seamus Coleman being an excellent example. JoeQuince 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 But looking at it from the other point of view, you could buy 4 Michu's for the price of a Rhodes. Just playing devil's advocate here that's all Oh, I totally get where you're at. That's what I'm saying, too, in a way. We got Coleman from Sligo Rovers for 60k. Nobody has a boner for that league, and we got him cheap. If he had played in whichever league people had the biggest boner for that year, we may have paid way more for just as unknown a commodity. It's rarely money that people use as an argument for why we shouldn't buy from the lower English leagues. People just assume there's no quality because the premier league is x,y,z and those players just won't be able to hack it here. The same could really be said for any other league. There really isn't much science to the league somebody came up in influencing just how well they can succeed. It really is down to the player. Yeah, I'd rather take that chance on a £2m player from the Netherlands than a £8m player from the Championship. We don't exactly have the largest checkbook around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant1979 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Seamus Coleman being an excellent example. Bargain of the millennium but he came from am obscure league, probable equivalent to our Conference in terms of standard? Most of the talented youngsters will get hoovered up by the academies of the prem clubs these days, but yes definitely some diamonds still out there in the lower league ps waiting to be given the chance. And some late bloomers too, like Ian Wright going back a few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Seamus Coleman being an excellent example. Ha. You knew exactly where my head was at there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Seamus Coleman being an excellent example. Ian Wright? Can't think of many others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I'm a little surprised that there's not more focus on people leaving. As we look at the squad, we need to be at the point where we pleased to have every one of them. That's not true of Vellios or of Gueye or, in the eyes of some, of Naismith. So why are we not shipping them out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodisonRoad Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) I'm a little surprised that there's not more focus on people leaving. As we look at the squad, we need to be at the point where we pleased to have every one of them. That's not true of Vellios or of Gueye or, in the eyes of some, of Naismith. So why are we not shipping them out? Because, like it or not we need numbers. Shipping them out would mean we would need replacements, and January isnt the best market as it is, so we would be paying over the odds just for squad fillers. Heitinga and Jelavic were always the likely outs. Heitinga because of the contract situation and Jelavic because we needed to get something for him while we can. I think thats the reason we havent signed a replacement for Jelly yet, teams asking too much because its january. Im still confident we will get someone in though. Edited January 16, 2014 by GoodisonRoad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I'm a little surprised that there's not more focus on people leaving. As we look at the squad, we need to be at the point where we pleased to have every one of them. That's not true of Vellios or of Gueye or, in the eyes of some, of Naismith. So why are we not shipping them out? Has Gueye even made the bench this season? I find his whole situation perplexing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Ian Wright? Can't think of many others. At Arsenal, Carl Jenkinson went pretty much straight from the conference league to the EPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodisonRoad Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Has Gueye even made the bench this season? I find his whole situation perplexing. Was on the bench against Norwich i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 At Arsenal, Carl Jenkinson went pretty much straight from the conference league to the EPL. I think Charlton fans would be offended by that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodisonRoad Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Ian Wright? Can't think of many others. Think Chris Smalling was playing in like the conference before Fulham signed him. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I think Charlton fans would be offended by that! But they loaned him out to two non-league teams, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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