duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Daft decision to loan him unless that was a stipulation to him signing on At Everton he has Baines and Oviedo ahead of him, the lad needs games so it would be daft not to send him out on loan Romey 1878 and Quinn31 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Why is Oviedo ahead of him? Continually injured. I'm not confident he will stay fit and I'm not sure he is a left back. Garbutt should be competing against baines. That's mentally is what was shit under moyes and Martinez . Favourites play every game regardless of form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Why is Oviedo ahead of him? Continually injured. I'm not confident he will stay fit and I'm not sure he is a left back. Garbutt should be competing against baines. That's mentally is what was shit under moyes and Martinez . Favourites play every game regardless of form Oviedo isn't necessarily ahead of him. The fact is that Baines is the best left back in England maybe the league - he should play every game. Baines is at an age where he may decline in the next couple of years and in Garbutt we have potentially the perfect successor. We just need Garbutt to get some essential experience and play every week which he is good enough to do. Oviedo is decent back-up and he adds the bonus of being quite versatile as he's comfortable on either wing. If Oviedo sticks about long enough then he'll probably be Garbutt's back-up too! Toffee_in_LA and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Why should he play every game? Because on paper he is the best? That is a joke. Garbutt went on loan because he knows the state of play at our club. Favourites play all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith B Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Please excuse the naive questions: But are loan terms standard or individually negotiated? If Baines gets hurt, could Everton call Garbutt back? Oviedo is always hurt so the lack of depth concerns me. While not a pefect comparison, one of the most successful American football coaches, Bill Bellicheck, has made a living cutting older players and playing younger, up and coming guys. I love Baines--he's been great for Everton--but after this season and assuming a successful loan spell for Garbutt, would it be time to cut bait with Baines and play the youngster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Please excuse the naive questions: But are loan terms standard or individually negotiated? If Baines gets hurt, could Everton call Garbutt back? Oviedo is always hurt so the lack of depth concerns me. While not a pefect comparison, one of the most successful American football coaches, Bill Bellicheck, has made a living cutting older players and playing younger, up and coming guys. I love Baines--he's been great for Everton--but after this season and assuming a successful loan spell for Garbutt, would it be time to cut bait with Baines and play the youngster? Individually negotiated. We can recall him if Baines gets injured if we have a recall clause in the deal. We'll find out whether we do if Baines gets injured I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Please excuse the naive questions: But are loan terms standard or individually negotiated? If Baines gets hurt, could Everton call Garbutt back? Oviedo is always hurt so the lack of depth concerns me. While not a pefect comparison, one of the most successful American football coaches, Bill Bellicheck, has made a living cutting older players and playing younger, up and coming guys. I love Baines--he's been great for Everton--but after this season and assuming a successful loan spell for Garbutt, would it be time to cut bait with Baines and play the youngster? All depends mate. Some are where they actually pay a fee to loan him so regardless the parent club can't call the player back, others players can be called back any time. The terms will be written in at the time so each is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith B Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Individually negotiated. We can recall him if Baines gets injured if we have a recall clause in the deal. We'll find out whether we do if Baines gets injured I suppose. Thanks, that's what I suspected but wasn't sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Why should he play every game? Because on paper he is the best? That is a joke. Garbutt went on loan because he knows the state of play at our club. Favourites play all the time It's because he's proven that he's likely to play every game by being the best left back in England - certainly at our club. By loaning Garbutt out having signed a long term deal gives us the best of both worlds. Why didn't Courtios sit on the bench rather than go on-loan to Atletico for 2 seasons? Toffee_in_LA and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 27, 2015 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Why should he play every game? Because on paper he is the best? That is a joke. Garbutt went on loan because he knows the state of play at our club. Favourites play all the time Yeah that will be precisely why he turned down offers from several other Premier League clubs to sign a new contract Romey 1878, StevO, markjazzbassist and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FairWooney Posted July 27, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 load of shite, Baines has had the performances that have proven him for that position. Baines wouldn't get dropped unless he had a particularly bad run of games which doesn't happen too often for him. The best thing for Garbutt is that he gets a full season of proper competitive football that will really help him improve his game. i don't see how anyone can see this as a negative, yes he's a good talent and could be useful to us this season but it's hardly like were playing some shite bag in the team while he sits on the bench. I don't really see the thing with "favourites" in our side either, besides Barry I don't see anyone that played all that many games when they shouldn't have been last season. Team selection was erratic at times but all of the midfield got benched at some point last season and in defence there's little competition, Stones came through ahead of Distin while Coleman had no competition and Garbutt got games when Baines was injured. Who should have been getting more games that wasn't? markjazzbassist, MikeO, Matt and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Are u seriously saying Howard deserved his place back like he did? Edited July 27, 2015 by Finn balor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I agree that baines is a better player and deserves his spot but we complain our squad is too thin and then go and loan one of our players out. He should be keeping Baines on his toes in training not playing in the championship. The way things are going he could help out on the left side of midfield if need be. Do you think Ibe from the shite will be loaned out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 But he would have left if he spent another season on the bench. He wants to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 If that's the case then yes we had no option but do you really think he wants to play for a shit team like Fulham? After he played against Wolfsburg away last season he should have kept his shirt the next game. That's how it should work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 If that's the case then yes we had no option but do you really think he wants to play for a shit team like Fulham? After he played against Wolfsburg away last season he should have kept his shirt the next game. That's how it should work I think he is a smart young talented footballer who realises at his age he needs regular football. But I also believe he wants a career at Everton...so he is willing to sacrifice one season to make that next step towards our first team. But it's just my opinion. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I think he is a smart young talented footballer who realises at his age he needs regular football. But I also believe he wants a career at Everton...so he is willing to sacrifice one season to make that next step towards our first team. But it's just my opinion. An opinion shared by me and I'm sure many others. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 What a left foot that lad has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 He is going to be a star! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) He is going to be a star! Fully agree tinted glasses off when you watch the lad albeit not a huge amount and compare him to Shaw he has everything and more Definitely a massive future ahead of him and chuffed to bits he has stayed on with us Edited July 30, 2015 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 An opinion shared by me and I'm sure many others.i agree. What your saying. I'm made up he wants to stay but him going on loan weakens our squad not strengthening it. I think we will regret this move big time duncanmckenzieismagic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) i agree. What your saying. I'm made up he wants to stay but him going on loan weakens our squad not strengthening it. I think we will regret this move big time Weekly playing time is what he needs. He's not going to get it here. Baines will play almost all LB minutes if he's fit and Garbutt would have Oviedo to compete with for the remaining bit of time. I would like to assume that we could recall him from loan for a fee if there's an issue at the parent club? Don't a lot of loan deals have those clauses? Edited July 30, 2015 by Quinn31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 If he stayed at Everton not playing, how is he going to become a better player? He gets a full season out on loan, maybe two if Baines doesn't decline, while we have two senior players for the first team. He will be the big fish at Fulham, the fans will love him, he will learn to deal with that pressure and the pressure of winning points each week. He might do a second season there if need be, or maybe at a prem club if they don't get promoted, and by the time he is 23/24 we will be bringing in one of the best left backs in the league hopefully. Maybe even a left winger a la Bale, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Bale was tearing inter milan a new arsehole at the age of 22 in the san siro. Every paper had him down to go on loan to championship clubs like Forest etc. Redknapp kept him and look what happened. Im not saying they are the same kind of player but what im saying is that he is more use staying with us, i dont see why with the injuries to piennaar and the like he wont get games. what other options on the left do we have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Well Finn, it seems you're the only person who doesn't see the good in him playing each week. I don't think I'll explain my opinion on it a second time though mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Bale was tearing inter milan a new arsehole at the age of 22 in the san siro. Every paper had him down to go on loan to championship clubs like Forest etc. Redknapp kept him and look what happened. Im not saying they are the same kind of player but what im saying is that he is more use staying with us, i dont see why with the injuries to piennaar and the like he wont get games. what other options on the left do we have? Redknapp was actually going to sell him, but they had an injury crisis and he was forced into keeping him and using him further up the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Why should he play every game? Because on paper he is the best? That is a joke. Garbutt went on loan because he knows the state of play at our club. Favourites play all the time Utter crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Utter crap. Whilst I think it was the correct decision to send Garbutt out on loan, I don't think Finn is far off in relation to favourites playing all the time. Martinez has a penchant for certain players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Whilst I think it was the correct decision to send Garbutt out on loan, I don't think Finn is far off in relation to favourites playing all the time. Martinez has a penchant for certain players. I think all managers are guilty of this to a degree. Moyes certainly was. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.