Hafnia Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Two arguments to consider. Lukaku. Not a good technical footballer but can finish. Argument for him is that we don't need him to a player, we just need him to score goals and finish. He has 8 goals is it? Naismith. Scores goals, battles like hell and is actually involved all over the pitch. Doesn't play in his proffered role up front. Is it 6 or 7 he has? Yet it's the same people arguing that Lukaku should be left to just score goals...as that's his job that arguing that Naismith shouldn't be in the team as his control isn't good enough and his technical ability isn't good enough. Why is it Ok for Lukaku but not for Naismith...even though Naismith offers much more to the team. Because its like buying the super duper TV you've been pestering the wife to get, you unpackage it, realize its not very good but you can't admit it after saying how good it is and having blown the money set a side for the kitchen. Instead you blame the satellite signal. chicagoblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Naismith is at best a bottom half PL midfielder/nr10 - and that is exactly where Everton finds itself - and where Everton will stay as long as we build our midfield around him -( and his stable companion Osman) Naismith has a PL football brain and plays his heart out but has championship ability and skill and will flourish in that league should we get relegated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Naismith is at best a bottom half PL midfielder/nr10 - and that is exactly where Everton finds itself - and where Everton will stay as long as we build our midfield around him -( and his stable companion Osman) Naismith has a PL football brain and plays his heart out but has championship ability and skill and will flourish in that league should we get relegated I actually agree with this. I love his determination and grit, but he doesn't really offer much more than that to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Just as effective as Lukaku. So who are going to buy to replace lukaku because we he is also a mid table prem player and we will stay there as long as we rely on him. I wander how many Naismith would have scored playing up top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 I actually agree with this. I love his determination and grit, but he doesn't really offer much more than that to me. Agreed. Love naisy, really do. But his technical ability is not there. Great hustle and bustle and scores with hard work, perfect moyes player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Watching him against Stoke I was standing there thinking it was time for him to be dropped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Naismith should be played as second striker, picking up Lukaku's lay-offs. (By Lukaku's lay-offs I mean where he tries to trap the ball and knocks it five yards away). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Because its like buying the super duper TV you've been pestering the wife to get, you unpackage it, realize its not very good but you can't admit it after saying how good it is and having blown the money set a side for the kitchen. Instead you blame the satellite signal. Best analogy everrrrrr. The signal was the best bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 The problem with Naismith is he's playing in a position where he is expected to create chances for other players too, and he just doesn't really offer that ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 See, the problem with Naismith is the same problem that I banged on about from the beginning and was slated for it. Granted, he was scoring very important goals so it was somewhat diluted by some of you. One of three attacking midfielders has one of the most important jobs on the pitch. You want them to get forward as often as possible, track back, stretch teams, take on players, link up with strikers shoot on sight. I can name one that Naismith posseses. (Track back)... this is where iI also agree he is an outstanding team player, but he is also detrimental to us taking that next step. He does not offer enough in the role he is currently asked to do. When he receives the ball with his back to goal he passes it back, turns and runs into nowhere. You want him to be getting it under control, turning and making the opposition drop off. The best saying that can be linked to this lad is......"god loves a trier" Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 I have to admit the more I watch him lately the more acutely aware I am of him wasting the ball when we have a good attacking opportunity. He's wasteful and loses us momentum so often. I like Naismith I really do. He does score important goals and against big teams, his commitment to the team is second to none and he doesa lot of good work in thecommunity but it's time forhim to step downand let Barkley play that role. It'sbeen a thorne in our side all season. Barkley, Naismith and for a time Eto'o all no10s but3 into 1 doesn't go so he just plays them out of position rather than drop and rotate them. Major part of our woes this season imo. StevO, Sibdane and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedfordBlue Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Ross Barkley has a pass completion rate of 89.7% compared to Naismiths 75.7% that's 23rd out of 27 players used this season Yet Naismith starts every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Ross Barkley has a pass completion rate of 89.7% compared to Naismiths 75.7% that's 23rd out of 27 players used this season Yet Naismith starts every game. Yep but if only they could give you more insight as to what direction those passes go towards. I'll be guessing around 98.9% sideways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedfordBlue Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Well clearly 25% of Naismith's are in the direction of the opposition. Sibdane and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Yep but if only they could give you more insight as to what direction those passes go towards. I'll be guessing around 98.9% sideways.Barkley aside, Naismith's passes are the result of frantic decision-making. He doesn't have any composure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 Barkley aside, Naismith's passes are the result of frantic decision-making. He doesn't have any composure. As much as I like Naismith I'm always hoping the ball doesn't go to him when we're building an attack. He's exactly the player you want to see at the end of an attack, but during it is a no go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 He's another player thats been over played. Like Romey says, he's a finisher but is being asked to battle all over the opposition half. Out of all our players, he must've put in the most effort this season and it's been clear to see in the last 6 weeks that he is tired. MC11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) Reminds me of Timmy Cahill in a way that he pops up and gets big goals but his play between halfway and the box lets him down on occasions. Edited March 9, 2015 by Btay Lowensda and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Reminds me of Timmy Cahill in a way that he pops up and gets big goals but his plan between halfway and the box lets him down on occasions. Cahill was better than Naismith but I can see the comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Naismith is the guy you want for a backs to the wall performance. He may not be the most technically gifted player but he never, ever hides and always gives everything for the cause. My player of the season. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Cahill was better than Naismith but I can see the comparison I agree, he's got more to his game but is still limited. Love the bloke to death, he is almost a god back home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/former-rangers-player-steven-naismith-has-fond-memories-of-days-as-199943n.120312159? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 One of only a few pros who don't live in this ridiculous bubble that has been created by the money they earn. Matt and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Respect, what a guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 What a cool finish last night too. You get him into those positions and he'll get you a goal more often than not. That's why I want him at the end of attacks and not in the build up. Matt and Lowensda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 What a cool finish last night too. You get him into those positions and he'll get you a goal more often than not. That's why I want him at the end of attacks and not in the build up. Like everyone's been saying all season. Same with Rom, give him options ahead of him and he can be a handful. Rom and Steven playing off each other, with a creative player behind. Hopefully that gets addressed in the summer. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Naismith is no worse a player in the build up than anyone else right now. Put Naismith into the Kone and McGeady bracket. For some fans it doesn't matter what they do - they will always hold the opinion that they had a bad game, even when they didn't. I retain the opinion that one on one, Naismith is the best i've seen for a long while at our club, after the villa game he said:- “I saw the keeper plant his feet and I knocked the ball past him, and he can’t move.” He did it again last night - its a tremendous skill that requires a cool nerve. It is to a degree the same as what the likes of balotelli, Aguero and Hazard do with their penalties. Some people see things in a slower motion than others and he could be like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) And then there are people who rate a player and won't criticise them, no matter what they do. So it should even itself out. Naismith may be no worse than anyone else when it comes to build up play (debatable like), but that doesn't chante the fact that he does, more often than not, become a reason why our attacks often break down. Edited March 13, 2015 by Romey 1878 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 And then there are people who rate a player and won't criticise them, no matter what they do. So it should even itself out. Naismith may be no worse than anyone else when it comes to build up play (debatable like), but that doesn't chante the fact that he does, more often than not, become a reason why our attacks often break down. If a player has a bad game they have a bad game - Messi and Ronaldo have them so what is the point in saying otherwise? I can handle a player having a bad game and having the courage to want the ball and try to be positive - Naismith did that last night and scored. I can't handle players having a bad game who lower their work rate, hide and pass the bucj "bacuase it isn't their day" To be fair to Rom, last night he showed tremndous courage and I'd not seen that before, he too had a poor first half but he kept going and a couple of runs late on that changed that. Till then he was making cowardly pass backs. Rom is never gonna be able to pass it well, but if he fronts up his man and uses power then do it. Naismith could play as an out and out striker the way Rom wants to be used and in all honesty I would back him to score a few goals. Played deep or outwide is not right, but he will give it a good go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 If a player has a bad game they have a bad game - Messi and Ronaldo have them so what is the point in saying otherwise? I can handle a player having a bad game and having the courage to want the ball and try to be positive - Naismith did that last night and scored. Because some people simply can't handle being wrong about a player, or are genuinely blind when it comes to a player they've decided is good. And I'm in full agreement with you on the second bit. Even in the first half when it was dire Naismith was one of very few of our players I difntbwant to strangle. He wasn't having a good game at all but he was pretty much the only one who rolled their sleeves up and had a go, actually looked arsed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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