Gwlad Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 BILL, get rid and all his back room staff. I'm totally demoralised......bit like the team he's ruined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Saw a stat today, that in over 2000 minutes, Mirallas and McGeady have managed a solitary assist each. That's what our key striker has been feeding from, off our attacking midfielders. The midfield just aren't doing enough. Full stop. Sideliner and Chach 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 We still believe bobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 It has to be the tactics as players do not become crap just like that, well not an entire team anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethinO Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Don't want him sacked. If we get a good cup run and don't get relegated he deserves a shot at what will hopefully be a good and professional pre season unlike last year's one. If we still struggle and no improvement by end of September/start of October then yes, get rid but for now I'd rather back him for the remaining games. There's something in me that really likes Martinez and last year I thought he was fantastic. A fresh and attacking manager who feared no team and had us playing lovely football. What the fuck has happened this season I honestly don't know. As I said, pre season was the beginning of the shambles that we've seen this season. I don't know if playing in Europe is a good enough excuse either, looking at the players we have in the squad. Something is majorly wrong and the sooner this season finishes the better. Would bite your hand off at 17th. Sideliner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 F### off Pardon? Think it was a reasonable, if tongue in cheek question. Are we going to start seeing fans' frustration displayed at the games? I don't think we're far off it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Martinez is focusing so much on Europa League that PL goes to back burner - At Wigan he made same mistake by making FA Cup his mission. I was one of his biggest fans but he has lost it - we are not playing as a team - we just do not have enough players capable of scoring on a regular basis the way we play. playing attacking football without scoring goals is a certain death wish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Don't want him sacked. If we get a good cup run and don't get relegated he deserves a shot at what will hopefully be a good and professional pre season unlike last year's one. If we still struggle and no improvement by end of September/start of October then yes, get rid but for now I'd rather back him for the remaining games. There's something in me that really likes Martinez and last year I thought he was fantastic. A fresh and attacking manager who feared no team and had us playing lovely football. What the fuck has happened this season I honestly don't know. As I said, pre season was the beginning of the shambles that we've seen this season. I don't know if playing in Europe is a good enough excuse either, looking at the players we have in the squad. Something is majorly wrong and the sooner this season finishes the better. Would bite your hand off at 17th. Good reasonable post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Pardon? Think it was a reasonable, if tongue in cheek question. Are we going to start seeing fans' frustration displayed at the games? I don't think we're far off it. It's not the way of Evertonians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Don't want him sacked. If we get a good cup run and don't get relegated he deserves a shot at what will hopefully be a good and professional pre season unlike last year's one. If we still struggle and no improvement by end of September/start of October then yes, get rid but for now I'd rather back him for the remaining games. There's something in me that really likes Martinez and last year I thought he was fantastic. A fresh and attacking manager who feared no team and had us playing lovely football. What the fuck has happened this season I honestly don't know. As I said, pre season was the beginning of the shambles that we've seen this season. I don't know if playing in Europe is a good enough excuse either, looking at the players we have in the squad. Something is majorly wrong and the sooner this season finishes the better. Would bite your hand off at 17th. He inherited essentially a Moyes squad and what has happened this season is that he isn't up to it, tactics and man management are shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 We still believe bobby. Seriously mate, you need dropping on your head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethinO Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 He inherited essentially a Moyes squad and what has happened this season is that he isn't up to it, tactics and man management are shot. Although I agree that he inherited a solid Moyes squad, I still think it wasn't a fluke we ended up finishing 5th and with our highest point tally. A lot of it was down to Martinez, who lets face it, was a breath of fresh air last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felixstowe Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Hello everyone, I'm new to toffee talk. Feeling really let down by Martinez at the moment, there was a real buzz around the team before he was appointed when every team knew we were dangerous. Just haven't had that feeling at all this season, as some of you have said , the team hasn't changed radically just the performances. Do we give him a chance to keep us up or possibly let him Wigan us?? Or sack him? If sack who replaces him?? Things haven't been this bad for years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Hello everyone, I'm new to toffee talk. Feeling really let down by Martinez at the moment, there was a real buzz around the team before he was appointed when every team knew we were dangerous. Just haven't had that feeling at all this season, as some of you have said , the team hasn't changed radically just the performances. Do we give him a chance to keep us up or possibly let him Wigan us?? Or sack him? If sack who replaces him?? Things haven't been this bad for years! Welcome to the site, credit for starting on such a shit night ! Maybe it's got that bad you couldn't keep it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felixstowe Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Thanks Dixie! You hit the nail on the head Maybe it's got that bad you couldn't keep it in. Just feels like we're in free fall, getting that ' nicky barmby penalty in the last game of the season' feeling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethinO Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) Martinez Quotes after the match: "We had 2 or 3 really good opportunities and it's small margins. They score from nothing. We are ready to get as many points as we can. There have been small margins and we haven't had any luck. We are a well balanced team with a lot of scoring threat. Today we wanted it so much. We played 5 games in 2 weeks." If there's one thing we're not is well balanced. Players playing out of position. Edited March 4, 2015 by Geth Romey 1878 and Toffee_in_LA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Seriously mate, you need dropping on your head Yep, and if you get your way i can guarantee you will be in the same position saying the same things about the next manager this time next year. If we wanna talk facts on a positive level. Someone mentioned rodgers earlier on in the thread as a comparable but Rodgers excelling in his position. Lets just say, Rodgers has also took a title challenging team and made them fifth place strugglers. Out of both managers, bobby can brag to have won the last piece of major silverware between them. If anyone wants to mention Wigan. We can clearly see that this was a team that battled relegation under Martinez. With him now gone, this team will be playing league one football next year. Things need changing in the tacticts, not the manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felixstowe Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 I like your optimism Brett. What if the manager doesn't select the correct tactics as appears to be the case up until now? I think he has had a reasonable length of time to create a side that suits him ( he didn't inherit a poor team ) and hasn't provided anywhere near the required cohesion within the team or points! I don't mind losing so much if there has been grit, determination and a good level of play but I'm not seeing that in the way I did with motes for example. Saying all that I haven't got a clue who would be best to take over! Toffee_in_LA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Saying all that I haven't got a clue who would be best to take over! Almost any manager we take on would have a positive effect about now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 I'd love to know what theory RM used when picking that midfield. I've got no idea why you would pick them all together on or how the feck it would lead to any goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee_in_LA Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 I like your optimism Brett. What if the manager doesn't select the correct tactics as appears to be the case up until now? I think he has had a reasonable length of time to create a side that suits him ( he didn't inherit a poor team ) and hasn't provided anywhere near the required cohesion within the team or points! I don't mind losing so much if there has been grit, determination and a good level of play but I'm not seeing that in the way I did with motes for example. Saying all that I haven't got a clue who would be best to take over! Firstly, welcome to the forums Felix, I'm definitely liking your constructive posts that you have given thus far . You can probably tell what side I am from my profile picture and signature but as late as last week, I said that I would keep him for the season. After this game though, and especially the first half, I can't see how to justify keeping him on. Get him out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehotelfoxtrot Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 It's mind boggling at how different this team is in the Europa League compared to the EPL. I just don't get it, it's so frustrating. I am actually fearing relegation but I don't want to give up hope. It's very difficult not to though. :shaking fist: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Martinez Quotes after the match: "We had 2 or 3 really good opportunities and it's small margins. They score from nothing. We are ready to get as many points as we can. There have been small margins and we haven't had any luck. We are a well balanced team with a lot of scoring threat. Today we wanted it so much. We played 5 games in 2 weeks." If there's one thing we're not is well balanced. Players playing out of position. Again his inability to see the problems is the most worrying thing. He really is coming across as extremely clueless. Toffee_in_LA and Gwlad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofanon Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 The relentless positivity does my head in. Its not f*cking good enough and you need to get it sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 My son, who lives in Nottingham (not an Everton supporter) took my grandson (is an Everton supporter) to the Stoke game last night. His (neutral) view of the game is that apart from a few players Everton seem tired and uninterested. When Mirallas came on near the end he just strolled around looking as though he wanted to be somewhere else. It is clear that Everton are not playing to their potential and that can only be down to one man - Martinez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Thing i miss most is the passion. Plain and simple. I became an everton fan because they "did more with less". They did that by sacrifcing their bodies week in and week out for each other and the fans. That has totally evaporated. That i miss more than anything. Toffee_in_LA and Gwlad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkpie Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Hey look at the bright side - they're still multi-millionaires! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Hey look at the bright side - they're still multi-millionaires! I wonder how stubborn Martinez would be with his "priniciples" if getting relegated meant he had to pay Everton back all the money he has been paid this year and for the remainder of his contract? Very easy to stick to your principles when you don't have much to lose. "I'll go down in flames and then go back to my £6m home and £4m in the bank..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 I think it's about time we brought in pay by performance it's all too easy for players and managers now. It used to be that way in the 60s A lot of nfl contracts are like that. Base salary and then performance bonuses. Great way to get players playing well. Doubt the EPL would agree, they have it made, why make worse contracts for themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veedublin Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Yes, the mention of Brendan Rodgers again... He figured out how to turn it around. LP had a sub-par start to the season, fans were calling for BR's head, and he somehow changed the system and got them into a top-4 hunt. What did he do that RM cannot? (Was it as simple as going 3-4-3?) We have 10 games left. Best-case scenario, we come away with 15 points. Newcastle (Should be a win, but who knows, given the past. But for the sake of argument, a Draw.) QPR (Win.) Southampton (Loss.) Swansea City (Draw.) Burnley FC (Win.) Man United (Loss.) Aston Villa (Win.) Sunderland (Win.) West Ham (Draw.) Tottenham (Loss.) 43 points for the season. Crap finish, but no relegation. That's my theory, ahem. Edited March 5, 2015 by veedublin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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