nogs Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, Bailey said: He would have to prove himself over here for that point to be worth making IMO. There will be other examples though. The other thing is how many players do you hold onto to see if they make it that far? If you think our U23 squad holds probably 20 players. Where do you draw the line? No matter what you do, some players will slip through the net. There's tons of other examples. Kevin de Bruyne immediately springs to mind. And I'm not sure Dowell has played for our U23s in over a year, when he's not been on loan he's been in the first team squad. So we're not talking keeping every U23 player just in case. We're talking giving the very best prospects every chance to become £35m players with us. And that only happens by playing them. I think an example coming at it from the other way is Luke Garbutt. I have no idea what he is still doing on our books, he's 25 and has made five first team appearances. It's senseless, you either keep hold of young players and play them or let them go. He is the perfect example of how not to handle a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, nogs said: There's tons of other examples. Kevin de Bruyne immediately springs to mind. And I'm not sure Dowell has played for our U23s in over a year, when he's not been on loan he's been in the first team squad. So we're not talking keeping every U23 player just in case. We're talking giving the very best prospects every chance to become £35m players with us. And that only happens by playing them. I think an example coming at it from the other way is Luke Garbutt. I have no idea what he is still doing on our books, he's 25 and has made five first team appearances. It's senseless, you either keep hold of young players and play them or let them go. He is the perfect example of how not to handle a player. KDB was already a promising player before he came to Chelsea rather than a young lad coming through the ranks. I guess Mustafi would be one, Duffy another. Im not sure I would say either of them are good enough for what we want but they both came good later in their careers. Neither would make an impact on this squad other than being a bench player. As I said, the question is how long do you keep them for them to prove themselves and then whether keeping them will really make a difference. How good is Dowell really going to become, even at 23, 24, 25? The chance of him "making it" at the level we want is slim. Do we keep him and commit to playing him? Do we keep him going on loan each year? Do we just sell him on as its probably the best for the player? I think in an ideal world, you would like to see a player go on loan to a club for 2 or 3 years where he is playing regularly and doing well. In Dowell's case, hopefully get promoted with Sheffield and then stay there for another 12 months in the Premiership. Same with Holgate at West Brom. Whatever happens I am sure Brands will do a better job than Walsh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 10 hours ago, nogs said: There's tons of other examples. Kevin de Bruyne immediately springs to mind. And I'm not sure Dowell has played for our U23s in over a year, when he's not been on loan he's been in the first team squad. So we're not talking keeping every U23 player just in case. We're talking giving the very best prospects every chance to become £35m players with us. And that only happens by playing them. I think an example coming at it from the other way is Luke Garbutt. I have no idea what he is still doing on our books, he's 25 and has made five first team appearances. It's senseless, you either keep hold of young players and play them or let them go. He is the perfect example of how not to handle a player. I think Luke is more an example of how not to handle yourself when you want to have a long football career. The lad will have made loads of money at Everton, but his next club (if he gets one) will be way down the piramid as he’s not played for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Bailey said: KDB was already a promising player before he came to Chelsea rather than a young lad coming through the ranks. I guess Mustafi would be one, Duffy another. Im not sure I would say either of them are good enough for what we want but they both came good later in their careers. Neither would make an impact on this squad other than being a bench player. As I said, the question is how long do you keep them for them to prove themselves and then whether keeping them will really make a difference. How good is Dowell really going to become, even at 23, 24, 25? The chance of him "making it" at the level we want is slim. Do we keep him and commit to playing him? Do we keep him going on loan each year? Do we just sell him on as its probably the best for the player? I think in an ideal world, you would like to see a player go on loan to a club for 2 or 3 years where he is playing regularly and doing well. In Dowell's case, hopefully get promoted with Sheffield and then stay there for another 12 months in the Premiership. Same with Holgate at West Brom. Whatever happens I am sure Brands will do a better job than Walsh! Yeah I think the long term loan idea is a good one. I think English clubs could start looking at sending young prospects abroad more for their development, maybe with the current trend of going to Germany that will happen. The Championship is a great league for learning how tough first team football really is but it definitely prioritises stamina over technical ability. I don't know if that is what a player like Dowell really nerds or not - toughen him up or let him go somewhere where his main attributes (i.e. a beaut of a left foot) can shine through and develop. I'm not sure I agree with you on Mustafi or Duffy though, given how poor our current CBs are I'd be quite happy with either of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 On 14/02/2019 at 22:25, StevO said: Yeah it is still young, but from what I’ve seen of him I just don’t think he’s good enough. I’d love to be wrong and him turn into a player like David Silva, but I’ll be shocked if it happens. I think we are holding on for a decent transfer fee. Do you honestly think we won’t just buy more players who are better than him? Focus on youth is all nice and good, but if we want to get to the levels Moshiri has talked about we won’t be waiting around. I think he can pick a pass, and has an eye for goal, and one hell of a shot, I think he has a good chance of making it. I imagine that as he would be slotted to play in the free role behind the striker, when he ready to play there will be when Siggy is being moved on. Also I think the priorities for spending are a striker, Gomes and a right back, if we have a chance of using a youth player then they will give them a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 He was back on the bench for their win yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted April 19, 2019 Report Share Posted April 19, 2019 Back in the bench today. I think we need to cut our losses with him. He was in and out of the Forrest team aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/evertons-kieran-dowell-attracting-interested-16352615 Should be looking to cash in for a few million (£5m would be nice). I wouldn't be bothering with a buy-back clause, but I'd be wanting a percentage of any future fee if/when he's sold on again. Matt and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 I thought that price rom but then I saw Harry Wilson who has been at derby being touted about for £25 milllion!! So we might get a bit more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/evertons-kieran-dowell-attracting-interested-16352615 Should be looking to cash in for a few million (£5m would be nice). I wouldn't be bothering with a buy-back clause, but I'd be wanting a percentage of any future fee if/when he's sold on again. Get Romey a job in negotiations! I agree with all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 40 minutes ago, Finn balor said: I thought that price rom but then I saw Harry Wilson who has been at derby being touted about for £25 milllion!! So we might get a bit more Harry Wilson has actually done well though. Not £25m well like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 We got offered £28m for Lookman and looking at the fees last season that English youth players have gone for Gunn(£13.5m), Mawson(£20m), Gibson(£15m) and Solanke(£19m) we should be asking closer to £20m. Aidan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 Let’s hope he has a good tournament and clubs will be looking at him. I would want £5-£10 mill for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Anyone know if he was at the 1st preseason game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 29 minutes ago, plaidharper said: Anyone know if he was at the 1st preseason game? No he wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 The fact that sheff united have been promoted and don’t appear to fancy him speaks volumes for me. Think is level Ian the championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 I hope we find someone willing to pay a few million for him. Just get him gone because he’s never going to be good enough for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 I think this is the season to sell him. He will end up like josh mcechran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 He's only 21 and not filled out yet. Give him another year at least as technically he's very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Could easily get £12.5-17.5m for him - get him sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, Aidan said: Could easily get £12.5-17.5m for him - get him sold. Hahahahaha take the ones off both of those numbers and you’re closer to reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Hahahahaha take the ones off both of those numbers and you’re closer to reality. Maybe a little over the top, admittedly, but £10-15m for a player of his quality and age are probably more accurate in todays market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Aidan said: Maybe a little over the top, admittedly, but £10-15m for a player of his quality and age are probably more accurate in todays market. The only thing I can say about him is that he can shoot. That’s it. The likes of Lundstram and Ledson had far more to their games than this lad and look where they are. If we got more than £5m for him I’d be ecstatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 With you Mark, if we got maybe £3m plus the chance for any future sell ons like we normally do I’d be happy. Good luck to the lad, he seems like he has a good attitude but I don’t think he’s our level. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 sell now, we need a smaller squad and we need to reduce the wages and raise money to pay off the shit walsh bought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 He has been on loan in the championship to a few teams and been been on bench majority of the time. He’s one paced. The game has moved on and he isn’t good enough. Get a fee and get him to Brentford or somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 14 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: The only thing I can say about him is that he can shoot. That’s it. The likes of Lundstram and Ledson had far more to their games than this lad and look where they are. If we got more than £5m for him I’d be ecstatic. They were also moved on in a market that wasn’t as inflated as it is now. If Mings can go for £20m, I could see 12-15 for this lad pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Matt said: They were also moved on in a market that wasn’t as inflated as it is now. If Mings can go for £20m, I could see 12-15 for this lad If Mings can go for £20m I think I might still have a shot at League One. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Matt said: They were also moved on in a market that wasn’t as inflated as it is now. If Mings can go for £20m, I could see 12-15 for this lad I was more comparing their actual abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said: I was more comparing their actual abilities. Then I completely agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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