nogs Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 12 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: The lad is inconsistent and isn’t ready. If I’d been bigging up Sigurdsson then I’d get you throwing his name about, but I haven’t so it’s irrelevant. If he’d stayed here he wouldn’t have even played. He’d have been stuck in the U23s and he’d not be developing at all. Apart from two long-range goals there was nothing in his general play during pre-season to suggest he was anywhere near ready to play PL football week in, week out. And week in, week out is what he needs right now and what he’s getting. He looked every inch a boy but he’ll come back a little closer to being a man. I'm quite happy he's playing week in, week out for Forest this season. But my opinion is that 9 goals and 4 assists in 27 games for a struggling side is enough to have earned him a chance to prove if he can do it in a blue shirt or not. He's stepped up to first team football in the Championship, after this season why not see if he can do it in the Prem? I also have to say I think those Hitc articles are complete bullshit. We all know from this forum how certain fans develop an agenda with certain players. Where are the stories about fans' taking to Twitter after he's scored a screamer? And Shukes - since when can we not refer to or make comparisons to different players in a particular thread? You know the point I'm making, if Dowell is inconsistent then so is the rest of our first team squad, it's hardly a strong argument to say he's not ready to play for Everton right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, nogs said: I'm quite happy he's playing week in, week out for Forest this season. But my opinion is that 9 goals and 4 assists in 27 games for a struggling side is enough to have earned him a chance to prove if he can do it in a blue shirt or not. He's stepped up to first team football in the Championship, after this season why not see if he can do it in the Prem? I also have to say I think those Hitc articles are complete bullshit. We all know from this forum how certain fans develop an agenda with certain players. Where are the stories about fans' taking to Twitter after he's scored a screamer? And Shukes - since when can we not refer to or make comparisons to different players in a particular thread? You know the point I'm making, if Dowell is inconsistent then so is the rest of our first team squad, it's hardly a strong argument to say he's not ready to play for Everton right now. I’m sure he’ll be given his chance during pre-season (and maybe until January) to stake his claim here. He’s earned that due to this loan move. I hope he does enough to stay here and plays but I’m not convinced he’d offer enough yet to play for us regularly, and that another loan move would be more beneficial to him to iron out the kinks in his game. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 No your right Nogs. It’s ok to make comparisons. My point is more that I made my call by watching the player and not the stats. Look back through the thread and you’ll see I mentioned several times that he makes too many mistakes, and that while he can run forward and knock in a screamer, he struggles with simple ten yard passes. Even when some on here said he had a good game, I mentioned the mistakes. Dont think I’m saying he is t good enough, because I’m not. I think he has a good future ahead of him. I just feel he needs one more season at a decent standard to really knuckle down and learn. Even if it’s here next year, I’m fine with that. Just feel he would benefit more somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Dowell is only 20. No need to make any decisions on his future yet. He just needs to be playing and where that is, is the best place for him. Hopefully in the future someday that will be in the first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Barkley struggled at lower level clubs... sometimes their players aren't on the same wavelength. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 except dowell hasn't been that bad, he's been a worldie sometimes for them and then they get pissed when he's not. he's on loan to them for a reason they need to get off their high horse and enjoy him because he could be at one of the top championship lower prem sides next year while they pine away mid/lower table. what next they expecting neymar to come in? FFS Matt and Quinn31 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/sport-opinion/aitor-karanka-must-not-lose-1244507 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/sport-opinion/aitor-karanka-must-not-lose-1244507 Karanka is an extremely negative manager, so if Dowell is viewed as a luxury player by him he’ll not see much playing time between now and the end of the season. Which would be bad for us. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Romey 1878 Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/sport-opinion/another-loan-move-would-best-1384884 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 6 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/sport-opinion/another-loan-move-would-best-1384884 I'm hoping he goes back out on loan too and even to Forest again. He's getting plenty of time there. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Yeah I've been so impressed with how we've played this season I can't see any room for an exciting young creative midfielder who scores goals either. Bill and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Great post Nogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 9 hours ago, Bill said: Great post Nogs. Thanks... you know what they say about throwing enough shit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nottingham-forest-boss-backs-evertons-14709250 https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kieran-dowells-imperious-nottingham-forest-14709879 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisJD Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Had some alarms raised reading an article on Dowell. Maybe the reason our youth players are not making the step up is the coaching there receiving on lack thereof on the tactical side of the game. We did see Unsworth get found out tactically when stepping up to the PL. Perhaps his lack of knowledge is showing in what’s is been imparted on the young players as well? Speaking to Everton TV Dowell said “That was the plan when I went out on loan – to get that experience under my belt and bring that back to Everton and use it to push into the first team. “It was my first experience of proper football. I played 40-odd games last season and off the pitch I grew up a lot living on my own. Every week, I had that need to win. “I learned about changing the way you play depending on how the game is going. If you are winning 1-0, you are less likely to try stuff – you try to keep hold of the ball instead.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post London Blue Posted July 16, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 hour ago, DavisJD said: Had some alarms raised reading an article on Dowell. Maybe the reason our youth players are not making the step up is the coaching there receiving on lack thereof on the tactical side of the game. We did see Unsworth get found out tactically when stepping up to the PL. Perhaps his lack of knowledge is showing in what’s is been imparted on the young players as well? Speaking to Everton TV Dowell said “That was the plan when I went out on loan – to get that experience under my belt and bring that back to Everton and use it to push into the first team. “It was my first experience of proper football. I played 40-odd games last season and off the pitch I grew up a lot living on my own. Every week, I had that need to win. “I learned about changing the way you play depending on how the game is going. If you are winning 1-0, you are less likely to try stuff – you try to keep hold of the ball instead.” I don't think this is the case for the following reasons: 1) If there were any concerns then Brands and Moshiri would have removed him this summer. 2) He won the U21 league against City, Utd, Spurs, Chelski all with top coaches, players. 3) Playing in the Championship week in and out will provide experience and lessons that cannot be replicated in the U21 league, that is what Kieran is talking about I believe, not any short comings in the youth team. 4) Every article I have read about our youth team has nothing but praise for it. Newty82, Romey 1878, Shukes and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 8 hours ago, DavisJD said: Had some alarms raised reading an article on Dowell. Maybe the reason our youth players are not making the step up is the coaching there receiving on lack thereof on the tactical side of the game. We did see Unsworth get found out tactically when stepping up to the PL. Perhaps his lack of knowledge is showing in what’s is been imparted on the young players as well? Speaking to Everton TV Dowell said “That was the plan when I went out on loan – to get that experience under my belt and bring that back to Everton and use it to push into the first team. “It was my first experience of proper football. I played 40-odd games last season and off the pitch I grew up a lot living on my own. Every week, I had that need to win. “I learned about changing the way you play depending on how the game is going. If you are winning 1-0, you are less likely to try stuff – you try to keep hold of the ball instead.” Don’t worry. Thats just standard fo any youth player for any team in the world. There’s a huge difference to playing professional football than reserve football. Quinn31 and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 39 minutes ago, Shukes said: Don’t worry. Thats just standard fo any youth player for any team in the world. There’s a huge difference to playing professional football than reserve football. Exactly. At that level players come and go on loan and first teamers drop in and out of games so you dont even know you will play against each week so its hard to be too tactical. Unsy sets his team to play his way and to not fear the opposition. Which is a good attitude to have... when its working! Matt and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 22, 2018 Report Share Posted July 22, 2018 He needs a move to Someone like Cardiff but then again looked what happened to Barkley under warnock. Newcastle maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted July 22, 2018 Report Share Posted July 22, 2018 How about they just develop playing football for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 22, 2018 Report Share Posted July 22, 2018 27 minutes ago, nogs said: How about they just develop playing football for us? This is forward thinking haha. exactly what we should be discussing. We won’t develop these players unless we challenge them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 Signed a new 3 year deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 great news, i hope he plays in the first team this year and shows us something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 If he does it means that Siggy and Bernard will be injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 hour ago, aaron said: Signed a new 3 year deal Surprised we didn’t announce a loan move at the same time like Connolly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 I expected more from him last night if I'm honest. It was one of the few occasions he's going to have to show Silva what he's like and I just don't feel like he properly grabbed that opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-must-find-solution-kieran-15231422 As I've said all along, it was a huge mistake not getting him a loan move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-must-find-solution-kieran-15231422 As I've said all along, it was a huge mistake not getting him a loan move. According to some being around the squad and having Premier League coaches around them then the odd cameo appearance is more beneficial than a loan..... The same goes for DCL neither are ready for this level StevO and London Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 4, 2018 Report Share Posted October 4, 2018 Dowell has to show he is good enough to get more minutes. He went on loan and did well but if he wants to play with the big boys he needs to put the work in on the training ground and force his way into the side. Otherwise he will forever be on the loan merry go round until he inevitably gets released. As with DCL he is our top scoring striker and he started the last 2 league games and will probably do the same at the weekend. pete0 and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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