markjazzbassist Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 Ronny? Are you his mom? ?? you ever comment about everton or just pop in to quote my posts and comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 ?? you ever comment about everton or just pop in to quote my posts and comment? I do have an opinion about Everton from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-transfers-koeman-taken-time-11734867 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-transfers-koeman-taken-time-11734867 ... £30m for an attacker who averages three goals a season ... You bet it seems steep. Lowensda and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 ... £30m for an attacker who averages three goals a season ... You bet it seems steep. you have to hope that his impact is more than just goals or assists. Some players have that style of play that unsettles the opponents and gives space to others, we have seen it with Pienaar in the past. I have seen him get numerous man of the match awards without getting on the score sheet or setting up a goal. Coleman stated bolassie and hazard were the two toughest wingers he's faced. Not bad company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/699006/Ronald-Koeman-Tottenham-Everton-signings-Bolasie-Kone-Jagielka-transfer-news-gossip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethinO Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 One thing that's for sure is if one of our players doesn't give it his all then they'll be out of the club. I expect a big clear out during the next 12 months including the likes of Oviedo, McCarthy, Barry, Kone, Cleverley, McGeady. He won't put up with average players. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 One thing that's for sure is if one of our players doesn't give it his all then they'll be out of the club. I expect a big clear out during the next 12 months including the likes of Oviedo, McCarthy, Barry, Kone, Cleverley, McGeady. He won't put up with average players. Which begs the question; why is he signing average players? Matt, Lowensda and Steve_E 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Which begs the question; why is he signing average players? It's all a bit "Moneyball" to me. Smells very similar to Liverpool's philosophy from a few years back when they signed Henderson, Allen and Milner....oh how well that all worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 It's all a bit "Moneyball" to me. Smells very similar to Liverpool's philosophy from a few years back when they signed Henderson, Allen and Milner....oh how well that all worked out. It's all a bit "shit" more like. Steve_E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 It's all a bit "Moneyball" to me. Smells very similar to Liverpool's philosophy from a few years back when they signed Henderson, Allen and Milner....oh how well that all worked out. And other "proven" Premier League players like Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Which begs the question; why is he signing average players? Williams is a lot better than average, at least for the next 2 years and Gueye might surprise us but I've got a feeling you're right to be asking that question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 It's all a bit "shit" more like. Don't hold back mate aha And other "proven" Premier League players like Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam... Forgot about those as well!! Awww shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Williams is a lot better than average, at least for the next 2 years and Gueye might surprise us but I've got a feeling you're right to be asking that question How would you define average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 How would you define average? How do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 How do you? mcgeady, cleverley, oviedo. Williams is certainly not average so not sure where Mark's assessment came from. Gana we'll have to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 mcgeady, cleverley, oviedo. Williams is certainly not average so not sure where Mark's assessment came from. Gana we'll have to wait and see. McGeady is distinctly below average for me, the other I can't really argue against Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 How do you? Average players are on a level in between two extremes. mcgeady, cleverley, oviedo. Williams is certainly not average so not sure where Mark's assessment came from. Gana we'll have to wait and see. All three of those are well below-average players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Average players are on a level in between two extremes. All three of those are well below-average players. no shit! What's your benchmark? I think, within our squad, MJB was spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 I can understand the worry, but I have a lot of trust in Koeman and Walsh. I had trust in Roberto for a while too, so I'm no real judge. But they seem to be bringing in defenders who can defend, a midfielder who gets about and is aggressive, and a winger who has lots of pace. I'm all for these kind of players, got to hope they are better as a team than the individuals we are thinking about. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 I don't get the negativity. I'm lost for what to say to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) I don't get the negativity. I'm lost for what to say to be honest. just nay sayers Newts. we will be fine. some of the guys around here melt down the minute messi turns us down and act like we'll now be relegated (when in reality the players we are linked with are exactly what we need and are able to get after being shit for so long). a calm hand steadies the ship, and we've got that in Ron and walsh. Edited August 11, 2016 by markjazzbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 just nay sayers Newts. we will be fine. some of the guys around here melt down the minute messi turns us down and act like we'll now be relegated (when in reality the players we are linked with are exactly what we need and are able to get after being shit for so long). a calm hand steadies the ship, and we've got that in Ron and walsh. Yeah. I'm trying to avoid saying 'nay sayers' to be honest. But it does concern me the amount of negative feeling around the club from some of our fans. Not just on here but when you read comments in general. I'm sat thinking we are in a solid position to move on. I'm thinking fans have got what they want (new investor, solid stadium talks, great capture in Walsh, solid manager). But still there is an air of negativity? And don't give it the old 'I've been a fan for too long'. I've had a decent spell as an Evertonian...at 34 I've always been an Evertonian. What's happening just now beats anything in the past 25 years! I don't know. Don't want to poke shit at fellow fans but I just dont understand it. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 What's the aeroplane banner gonna say?!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 no shit! What's your benchmark? I think, within our squad, MJB was spot on If McGeady, Cleverley and Oviedo are average Premier League players then we should have won the league last season, because they're three of the worst players in the Everton squad. For me, McGeady is very near the bottom of Premier League players, Oviedo isn't all that much better than him, and Cleverley isn't much better than Oviedo. For me, Ashley Williams is an average (to slightly above average) Premier League centre back. A bit better than let's say Ryan Shawcross or our own Phil Jagielka, similar to José Fonte, a bit worse than Scott Dann, but they're all on pretty much the same tier for me. I think of someone like Winston Reid or Dejan Lovren as an above-average centre back, someone like Chris Smalling or Toby Alderweireld as a top Premier League centre back. To me, we don't have any top Premier League players (Lukaku probably comes closest as a centre forward) and more below-average than above-average players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted August 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 If McGeady, Cleverley and Oviedo are average Premier League players then we should have won the league last season, because they're three of the worst players in the Everton squad. For me, McGeady is very near the bottom of Premier League players, Oviedo isn't all that much better than him, and Cleverley isn't much better than Oviedo. For me, Ashley Williams is an average (to slightly above average) Premier League centre back. A bit better than let's say Ryan Shawcross or our own Phil Jagielka, similar to José Fonte, a bit worse than Scott Dann, but they're all on pretty much the same tier for me. I think of someone like Winston Reid or Dejan Lovren as an above-average centre back, someone like Chris Smalling or Toby Alderweireld as a top Premier League centre back. To me, we don't have any top Premier League players (Lukaku probably comes closest as a centre forward) and more below-average than above-average players. Loveren and Smalling? Yer ok, sound ? duncanmckenzieismagic, Steve_E and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Loveren and Smalling? Yer ok, sound Lovren had a good season, mate, back to how he performed for Southampton. And yes, Smalling is one of the top centre backs in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Fook me. What a depressing past hour or 3 I've missed. I like the fact our manager has identified issues we all seen. Like it or not he's gone about it in his way. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Fook me. What a depressing past hour or 3 I've missed. I like the fact our manager has identified issues we all seen. Like it or not he's gone about it in his way. Now you know how everyone else feels when you've been in the Lukaku thread for a few hours . Sibdane and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Now you know how everyone else feels when you've been in the Lukaku thread for a few hours . Difference is I waited to actually see what was what before getting all pissed off about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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