Video replay/VAR opinions

[markjazzbassist]

In my opinion American sports are in the middle of being destroyed by video replay.  Football and basketball being the biggest.  Massive delays to the game, stopping the play, calls still called wrong, etc.  also because of replay now penalties and fouls are up in numbers which causes more replays for those penalties or fouls.  It’s ciclical.

 

at this moment I am happy soccer does not have video replay.  I think allowing some error and just living with it is better than the stop/start and delay of games and momentum replay causes.  Not to mention, they might not even get it right (Italian league already had many issues this year).

 

what is your opinion on replay/VAR?

[rubecula]

As long as it does not disrupt play I don't really care about it to be honest Mark.  However the moment it does impact in a detrimental way I will be against it.

[Matt]

I’d like it only when a “challenge flag” is laid down by the manager or captain, and there’s only 3 for the game per team. Win the challenge, keep your flag. Lose the challenge, lose the flag. That way, if there’s repeated challenges won, it shows the officials need to improve, if not there’s only 6 replays to watch. 

Oh, and all replays should have a 30s cap, at which point whomever is adjudicating has to make a decision either way or challenge fails because it’s not clear cut. 

[markjazzbassist]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

I’d like it only when a “challenge flag” is laid down by the manager or captain, and there’s only 3 for the game per team. Win the challenge, keep your flag. Lose the challenge, lose the flag. That way, if there’s repeated challenges won, it shows the officials need to improve, if not there’s only 6 replays to watch. 

Oh, and all replays should have a 30s cap, at which point whomever is adjudicating has to make a decision either way or challenge fails because it’s not clear cut. 

Good ideas matt

[Bailey]

8 hours ago, rubecula said:

As long as it does not disrupt play I don't really care about it to be honest Mark.  However the moment it does impact in a detrimental way I will be against it.

I agree and I'm also not sure how it will work because some decisions are really debatable. Look at our pen against Liverpool, some think it was, some think it wasn't. Same with the Niasse "dive". 

The sports in which VAR is currently used have a lot more clear cut than it would be in football.

[markjazzbassist]

12 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I agree and I'm also not sure how it will work because some decisions are really debatable. Look at our pen against Liverpool, some think it was, some think it wasn't. Same with the Niasse "dive". 

The sports in which VAR is currently used have a lot more clear cut than it would be in football.

Good point.  That’s why I’m against it.  Because if it’s going to be stopping the match and it’s not clear cut (like basketball) then why even have it?  

 

I think they can have the goal replay tech like hockey where every goal is reviewed (there’s little to no stoppage 95%) of the time.  They verify it wasn’t a hand ball in or offside or whatever while the players head back to face off.  Very quick.  It’s only done by people in the booth and it only gets stopped/mentioned by refs if it’s not a goal.

[MikeO]

20 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I agree and I'm also not sure how it will work because some decisions are really debatable. Look at our pen against Liverpool, some think it was, some think it wasn't. Same with the Niasse "dive". 

I think in debatable/borderline situations such as that we could follow cricket and go with "umpire's (ref's) call" so the original decision stands.

Has to be a 100% rock solid case for it to be overturned (eg Ashley Young sent off and a pen awarded yesterday).

[markjazzbassist]

1 minute ago, MikeO said:

I think in debatable/borderline situations such as that we could follow cricket and go with "umpire's (ref's) call" so the original decision stands.

I like that

[Bailey]

1 hour ago, MikeO said:

I think in debatable/borderline situations such as that we could follow cricket and go with "umpire's (ref's) call" so the original decision stands.

Has to be a 100% rock solid case for it to be overturned (eg Ashley Young sent off and a pen awarded yesterday).

Agreed. 

What's the next order of business 😁

[MikeO]

5 minutes ago, Bailey said:

What's the next order of business

World peace? We could always sort that over a few beers or a glass of Cava.

[c1982]

This how VAR should be done with a mic’ed up ref...

 

[pete0]

9 minutes ago, c1982 said:

This how VAR should be done with a mic’ed up ref...

 

Can we have him for every game?

[Bailey]

32 minutes ago, c1982 said:

This how VAR should be done with a mic’ed up ref...

 

Completely agree. Its nice to hear a referee with such common sense as well! 

[pete0]

Refreshing to see an none arrogant one. Compare him to the likes of ours 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/everton/12128081/Evertons-Phil-Jagielka-brands-referee-Martin-Atkinson-arrogant-over-controversial-Manchester-City-goal.html

[Romey 1878]

2 hours ago, c1982 said:

This how VAR should be done with a mic’ed up ref...

 

By ‘leaving for the Championship’ does that mean he’s come over here?

[pete0]

9 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

By ‘leaving for the Championship’ does that mean he’s come over here?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/who-is-referee-jarred-gillett-2457744.amp

Will be the league below but potentially the Prem as well. 

[Matt]

The sooner we take the rugby approach, the better. 

[Finn balor]

VAR was supposed to be introduced to look back at obvious errors by the reffing team. Now they are looking at everything and it’s stupid. Chalking goals off for somebody’s finger being offside is a joke. Just rectify the glaring errors and leave the rest alone!!!! 

[MikeO]

45 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

VAR was supposed to be introduced to look back at obvious errors by the reffing team. Now they are looking at everything and it’s stupid. Chalking goals off for somebody’s finger being offside is a joke. Just rectify the glaring errors and leave the rest alone!!!! 

Amen to that, couldn't agree more.

[Palfy]

1 hour ago, Finn balor said:

VAR was supposed to be introduced to look back at obvious errors by the reffing team. Now they are looking at everything and it’s stupid. Chalking goals off for somebody’s finger being offside is a joke. Just rectify the glaring errors and leave the rest alone!!!! 

Get rid of it completely. 

[Finn balor]

I never wanted it but can tolerate it if it’s a bad error or there is a lot of controversy behind it but I don’t where it’s going to end. Strikers will just fall over if there shirt is pulled in the box every time and want a penalty and by the letter of the law they should get them. Players and fans aren’t going to want to celebrate a goal anymore cos they know it’ll be reviewed and you lose the feeling of what the game is about. I think it’s going to go tits up next season big time 

[Haiku]

I think it would be wise if VAR is used at certain number of times during the game, only upon appeal from one of the managers. For example 2 calls for each team and no more.

[Finn balor]

That’s an idea or it just needs more robust officiating or the people at the cameras just say no it was marginal so we will go with the officials. If it’s glaring, ie dive or miles off than they should be looked at 

[Finn balor]

It’s going to get on my tits this season. Even the shites game last night they were checking every goal to see if it was “legal”. It’s supposed to sort out “clear” errors not going through goals step by step. Is going to ruin the game 

[Finn balor]

Already started. Third goal for city cancelled off. Load of wank

[Matt]

36 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Already started. Third goal for city cancelled off. Load of wank

Doesn't seem to have dampened their spirits mind...

[Finn balor]

I know but it’s just shit. It’s getting used for all the wrong reasons 

[Matt]

It'll take time to adapt it to reality. Hopefully the powers that be will quickly learn that it should only be reviewed on call from a manager, and that they've only got a number of calls, losing 1 each time their call is wrong. It's so fucking simple..

[Sibdane]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

It'll take time to adapt it to reality. Hopefully the powers that be will quickly learn that it should only be reviewed on call from a manager, and that they've only got a number of calls, losing 1 each time their call is wrong. It's so fucking simple..

Similar to challenge rules in the NFL. I like being able to limit the coach for a little bit. 

[Btay]

On 10/08/2019 at 23:30, Matt said:

It'll take time to adapt it to reality. Hopefully the powers that be will quickly learn that it should only be reviewed on call from a manager, and that they've only got a number of calls, losing 1 each time their call is wrong. It's so fucking simple..

Manager or on field captain. Similar to cricket

[Ghoat]

[markjazzbassist]

yep i still hate it, for all those thinking it would level the playing field i hope you see how it hasn't changed anything, its just more frustrating now knowing they got it wrong twice!

[Ghoat]

I haven't seen anything grevious from VAR yet. Actually I have been pleased from what I have seen. Is not there to look over the shoulder of the ref or judge his 50-50 decisions. It's there to correct "wrong" calls, not judgement calls, as it were. And so far it's been quick, not drawn out and killing game play like we have seen on the International side. 

[Matt]

I was going to open a new thread, as was suggested, since this isn't going to go away any time soon, or the controversy it generates. Seems MJB had already created this aptly named thread, so, Bump!

[MikeO]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50517096

[Cornish Steve]

Just seeing how Palace had a goal disallowed by VAR for absolutely no valid reason, I'm convinced this technology is being used by powerful financial interests to rig games. Football in England, it seems, is dying. Soon it will be little better than wrestling "entertainment".

[Palfy]

2 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Just seeing how Palace had a goal disallowed by VAR for absolutely no valid reason, I'm convinced this technology is being used by powerful financial interests to rig games. Football in England, it seems, is dying. Soon it will be little better than wrestling "entertainment".

I think there was a couple of bad decisions by VAR today, going against the refs original decision. 
This after this week the FA conceding they had made mistakes and they had made changes going forward to eradicate the problems. 
I’ll be happier when they concede that the problem was introducing it in the first place. 
Death to VAR. 

[Keith B]

I watch a good bit of the Bundesliga and think that VAR has been implemented there better than in England. But I'd just rather not have it. Let's live with the missed or bad calls rather than litigating every call down to the video frame.

[Romey 1878]

VAR is how you spell Liverpool isn't it?

[MikeO]

26 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

VAR is how you spell Liverpool isn't it?

That's Livarpool.

[pete0]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/11874982/var-officials-admit-moussa-djenepo-handled-ball-in-build-up-to-danny-ings-equaliser?fbclid=IwAR3fDPRKzCPi_bKBvPK9we9F9XzemOORhoqUHdAqtd-FwBI91OS4DWRZi4Y

Another easy one missed. Soton handball. 

[MikeO]

8 hours ago, pete0 said:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/11874982/var-officials-admit-moussa-djenepo-handled-ball-in-build-up-to-danny-ings-equaliser?fbclid=IwAR3fDPRKzCPi_bKBvPK9we9F9XzemOORhoqUHdAqtd-FwBI91OS4DWRZi4Y

Another easy one missed. Soton handball. 

And you have Ings in your fantasy draft team....playing me this week

[pete0]

23 minutes ago, MikeO said:

And you have Ings in your fantasy draft team....playing me this week

I've got two Leicester players so I'm rooting for you this week! 

[MikeO]

46 minutes ago, pete0 said:

I've got two Leicester players so I'm rooting for you this week! 

I've got Vardy, 4-3 win for us and a Vardy hat-trick would be just the job!

[Palfy]

5 hours ago, MikeO said:

I've got Vardy, 4-3 win for us and a Vardy hat-trick would be just the job!

Now I know why it’s called fantasy football

[Finn balor]

Norwich just had a goal dissalowed against spurs. Absolute joke. The game has gone. 

[Palfy]

VAR is ruining our game, before it came in refs were apparently getting 95% of there decisions correct, for all the waiting for decisions stopping the flow of the game spoiling the celebrations of goals for the fans, VAR’s decisions are worse what a fucking shambles. 

[Finn balor]

Let’s just give the shite the title now. Those two decisions were disgusting 

[pete0]

Pen against Leicester was a joke too. 

[Finn balor]

The wolves manager expressed himself so well over it but it’s shit. It’s a massive swindle. They can control the game now that’s it 

[Finn balor]

Another crap decision at the villa game 

[MikeO]

Just seen West Ham's disallowed goal from last night; the way the law stands it was the correct decision but it's crazy, the law needs to be changed.

[Romey 1878]

21 hours ago, MikeO said:

Just seen West Ham's disallowed goal from last night; the way the law stands it was the correct decision but it's crazy, the law needs to be changed.

And then VAR looks at the Walcott incident yesterday and decides it wasn't a foul! I'm sure I've seen a certain red shite player get a penalty for the exact same thing...

[Palfy]

4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

And then VAR looks at the Walcott incident yesterday and decides it wasn't a foul! I'm sure I've seen a certain red shite player get a penalty for the exact same thing...

But the ref should be giving that he’s 15 yards away looking directly at it, but he’s bottled it and left it for VAR to make the decision, there thinking well the ref didn’t see anything so let’s not rock the boat, just proves what a mess it is and to add to the poor decisions some refs are now deciding to not make any decisions and are leaving it to VAR, it’s becoming a lottery with decisions. 
The sooner it’s removed the game the better it will be for the game. 

[pete0]

I don't even think we can say it's a case of making mistakes now. Walcott is clear as day dragged back and impeded. No coincidence that the team that gets the most decisions their way has the most fans in the age bracket of referees, and then there's us who need players legs broken before the opposition even get a yellow. 

What's the rule on the last man these days. Should their centre half not have walked even after DCL had the shot.

[Romey 1878]

1 hour ago, pete0 said:

I don't even think we can say it's a case of making mistakes now. Walcott is clear as day dragged back and impeded. No coincidence that the team that gets the most decisions their way has the most fans in the age bracket of referees, and then there's us who need players legs broken before the opposition even get a yellow. 

What's the rule on the last man these days. Should their centre half not have walked even after DCL had the shot.

No, it would’ve just been a yellow card because of the double jeopardy rule. 

[pete0]

1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

No, it would’ve just been a yellow card because of the double jeopardy rule. 

Cheers Romey. 

[Romey 1878]

On 12/01/2020 at 18:18, pete0 said:

Cheers Romey. 

Although, I’ve just read that it would have been a red. So fucked if I know tbh  

[Bailey]

On 12/01/2020 at 16:53, Romey 1878 said:

No, it would’ve just been a yellow card because of the double jeopardy rule. 

 

39 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Although, I’ve just read that it would have been a red. So fucked if I know tbh  

I think it would be a red because the double jeopardy rule only applies to a genuine attempt to win the ball. As he was just pulling Walcott back it should have been a pen and a red.

[Romey 1878]

I’m just flabbergasted that the reason it’s said it wasn’t given is because there wasn’t enough contact. Dunk fucking spins him round ffs! Funny how there was even less contact when Salah won penalties against Arsenal and Newcastle.

Fucking bullshit.