RuffRob Posted January 20, 2022 Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 We all seem focused on a new manager, I equally i think we need a DoF or similar. We can't leave all the decision to Moshiri and Kenwright - Benitez was Moshiri's choice and Martinez seems to Kenwright choice. Somebody is needed and be allowed to do the job. Talk of interest in Brightons DoF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted January 20, 2022 Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 Just now, RuffRob said: We all seem focused on a new manager, I equally i think we need a DoF or similar. We can't leave all the decision to Moshiri and Kenwright - Benitez was Moshiri's choice and Martinez seems to Kenwright choice. Somebody is needed and be allowed to do the job. Talk of interest in Brightons DoF. This is critical IMO. I'd feel a lot more comfortable in an unproven manager if I felt we were getting a strong DoF with an some actual empowerment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted January 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 https://www.liverpoolworld.uk/sport/football/everton/everton-reportedly-keen-to-beat-newcastle-united-and-poach-highly-rated-brighton-figure-3534466 London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 20, 2022 Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 26 minutes ago, RuffRob said: https://www.liverpoolworld.uk/sport/football/everton/everton-reportedly-keen-to-beat-newcastle-united-and-poach-highly-rated-brighton-figure-3534466 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bailey Posted January 20, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 It will be pointless whilst Mohsiri still wants to interfere. Newty82, Sir McGiven, dunlopp9987 and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 20, 2022 Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Bailey said: It will be pointless whilst Mohsiri still wants to interfere. Exactly this. We need a director of football and the owner to hand over control to him. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted January 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 Knowing what has happen this past 5 years at Everton, you would have to hope that anybody being employed now in the role of DoF would have to be laying the law down to Moshiri before he signs on the dotted line that he has the final say on footballing aspects at the club. Period. But i think this role is as important if not more so than the manager. The club is a dead lose with Moshiri and Kenwright trying to do it between themselves. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cornish Steve Posted January 21, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 It would make sense to bring in a new DOF ASAP, allow Duncan Ferguson to manage the next string of winnable games, and take the time needed to secure the "right" next permanent manager. StevO, Sibdane, Matt and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 For me the absolute most important thing that needs to come out of this strategic review is a commitment to aligning the academy with the first team. Whether that means we have a DoF or not I don't care. We see it all the time here in the States, the best organizations bring through talent and supplement by buying. We're always left the holding the bag in the transfer market because our academy either hasn't produced talent or when it has they've left. It's long been a fallacy to suggest the big clubs just buy their teams. Sure they spend a shit ton more than we can but they also have incredible homegrown talent. Utd: Rashford, McTominay, Greenwood, Lingard Arsenal: Saka, Smith-Rowe, Martinelli Chelsea: James, Mount, Hudson-Odoi Spurs: Kane, Dier and Skipp the Shite: TAA and Jones City: Foden and a few others knocking It's taken City a while but they've stayed committed and are reaping the benefits. It's not too late to get the academy right and move into the new stadium with a well-balanced successful squad and budget. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: It would make sense to bring in a new DOF ASAP, allow Duncan Ferguson to manage the next string of winnable games, and take the time needed to secure the "right" next permanent manager. Since when has sense come into the organisation of the club over recent years? StevO and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 hours ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: For me the absolute most important thing that needs to come out of this strategic review is a commitment to aligning the academy with the first team. Whether that means we have a DoF or not I don't care. We see it all the time here in the States, the best organizations bring through talent and supplement by buying. We're always left the holding the bag in the transfer market because our academy either hasn't produced talent or when it has they've left. It's long been a fallacy to suggest the big clubs just buy their teams. Sure they spend a shit ton more than we can but they also have incredible homegrown talent. Utd: Rashford, McTominay, Greenwood, Lingard Arsenal: Saka, Smith-Rowe, Martinelli Chelsea: James, Mount, Hudson-OdoiSpurs: Kane, Dier and Skipp the Shite: TAA and Jones City: Foden and a few others knocking It's taken City a while but they've stayed committed and are reaping the benefits. It's not too late to get the academy right and move into the new stadium with a well-balanced successful squad and budget. I really don’t like this argument, so I’ll just pick on one point. Spurs bought Dier, he didn’t come through there academy. And, most importantly, he’s shit. Also, that City one is a bit of a cop out. A few others knocking? They have Foden, he’s an unbelievable talent though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, StevO said: I really don’t like this argument, so I’ll just pick on one point. Spurs bought Dier, he didn’t come through there academy. And, most importantly, he’s shit. Also, that City one is a bit of a cop out. A few others knocking? They have Foden, he’s an unbelievable talent though. Haha I don't disagree about Dier (although I'd absolutely take him over Keane) and thanks for pointing out he wasn't homegrown, my mistake. And I also agree City is a stretch as Foden is really there only one but he's going to be top 5 player in the world. Curious when you say you don't like the argument what is it you don't like? I'd guess you think the academy is of some importance but not critical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, AlbanyNYToffee said: Haha I don't disagree about Dier (although I'd absolutely take him over Keane) and thanks for pointing out he wasn't homegrown, my mistake. And I also agree City is a stretch as Foden is really there only one but he's going to be top 5 player in the world. Curious when you say you don't like the argument what is it you don't like? I'd guess you think the academy is of some importance but not critical? Dier came from Sporting Lisbon I think. Pretty sure that's where we got him on loan from. Oh the spite and bitterness on here when he chose Spurs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 32 minutes ago, Matt said: Dier came from Sporting Lisbon I think. Pretty sure that's where we got him on loan from. Oh the spite and bitterness on here when he chose Spurs Followed by a sense of immense relief. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 hours ago, StevO said: I really don’t like this argument, so I’ll just pick on one point. Spurs bought Dier, he didn’t come through there academy. And, most importantly, he’s shit. Also, that City one is a bit of a cop out. A few others knocking? They have Foden, he’s an unbelievable talent though. Palmer coming through the ranks there now too. Early days but he would play a lot more if he was at any other club. The one point I will add is that we do also bring through our own talent, its just that other teams have better ones! It is something that needs to happen though. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: Haha I don't disagree about Dier (although I'd absolutely take him over Keane) and thanks for pointing out he wasn't homegrown, my mistake. And I also agree City is a stretch as Foden is really there only one but he's going to be top 5 player in the world. Curious when you say you don't like the argument what is it you don't like? I'd guess you think the academy is of some importance but not critical? I think the academy is massively important, but in terms of the number of players in the premier league who make it through the academy is under 5% (actually the last time I saw a current stat a few years back it was closer to 2%). Add to that we have Gordon, Kenny and Davies in our team. We’ve also had Simms and Dobbin play this season. We aren’t so bad. Our under 23 team won the league twice and still struggled to get many players into the first team. Winning leagues with the academy players is a good start. A lot of the players you listed are of a really high standard, and I give you that, and any improvements we could make would be great. But as Gordon broke into the team this season, statistically, we won’t have another one for a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harv Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 We did alright years ago without a DoF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 22 minutes ago, Harv said: We did alright years ago without a DoF. Game has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harv Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 So has our status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 55 minutes ago, Harv said: So has our status. Yet the need for an effective transfer strategy remains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 8 hours ago, London Blue said: Yet the need for an effective transfer strategy remains. Which will be irrelevant with Moshiri in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 ToffeeTalk at its best. Five pithy one sentence posts on the run! Keep it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 12 hours ago, Harv said: We did alright years ago without a DoF. We had a manager in Moyes who ran everything, and we were stable. If we are to become stable again we need someone running things who will be here manager after manager. The days of a ten year manager have gone, the club needs stability. Sibdane, Matt, Bailey and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Matt said: Which will be irrelevant with Moshiri in charge. We need the right Director of Football to keep Moshiri out of transfer strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted February 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 It looks like Dan Ashworth is of to Newcastle as their DoF, which is a shame as think he would have been idea for us and makes Newcastle stromger in the long run. I think this appointment is going to now be critical. Somebody who can work with Lampard and embrace what he seem to have already brough to the club, high tempo front foot football, a strong back room staff and hopefully a youthful recreuitment stratergy. I can't help but wonder what Brands would have made of this appointment and how they could have worked together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, RuffRob said: It looks like Dan Ashworth is of to Newcastle as their DoF, which is a shame as think he would have been idea for us and makes Newcastle stromger in the long run. I think this appointment is going to now be critical. Somebody who can work with Lampard and embrace what he seem to have already brough to the club, high tempo front foot football, a strong back room staff and hopefully a youthful recreuitment stratergy. I can't help but wonder what Brands would have made of this appointment and how they could have worked together. Is the club willing to admit they made a mistake and that Benitez, not Brands, was the problem? If so, maybe Brands could make a return - if he were willing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 1 hour ago, RuffRob said: It looks like Dan Ashworth is of to Newcastle as their DoF, which is a shame as think he would have been idea for us and makes Newcastle stromger in the long run. I think this appointment is going to now be critical. Somebody who can work with Lampard and embrace what he seem to have already brough to the club, high tempo front foot football, a strong back room staff and hopefully a youthful recreuitment stratergy. I can't help but wonder what Brands would have made of this appointment and how they could have worked together. I dont think Rafa was the problem. I think the problem was and is Moshiri.... Iwobi, El Ghazi...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Hafnia said: I dont think Rafa was the problem. I think the problem was and is Moshiri.... Iwobi, El Ghazi...... We have no idea on El Ghazi though. Ashworth may succeed there or he maybe their Walsh. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 5 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: Is the club willing to admit they made a mistake and that Benitez, not Brands, was the problem? If so, maybe Brands could make a return - if he were willing. Brands oversaw an awful lot of rubbish. Bentiez brought in Gray (or Grey for @MikeO ), Townsend, Patterson and Mykolenko, so was definitely not the problem transfer-wise. Going back to Brands would be conmpletely insane. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, Formby said: Brands oversaw an awful lot of rubbish. Bentiez brought in Gray (or Grey for @MikeO ), Townsend, Patterson and Mykolenko, so was definitely not the problem transfer-wise. Going back to Brands would be conmpletely insane. Those two are still pretty big question marks for me. Townsend has been solid, but nothing more (IMO). I get the feeling that Brands was held back by Moshiri. Not saying I want Brands back or anything, but I don't think he was a/the problem. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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