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Let's put this in perspective: This is the third highest fee ever paid, anywhere in the world, for a goalkeeper. How on earth can we justify that? If he was the best goalkeeper playing one of the best teams in the world, I could understand it, but his team came rock bottom. For sure, he looked good in many respects, but he's young and only played for one year in the Prem. This one almighty risk when we already have another young keeper with much more experience in this league.

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Lukaku could go for a world record or very close to it.

 

Is that because he is the best there is?

The best there ever was?

Or is it just because it's the market these days?

 

I think 22m with adds on is a fair price for a top prospect goalkeeper these days. You want the best then you need to pay the 72m clauses for Ter Stegan and the likes.

 

Pickford is better than Robles and Steks. He is also at the start of his learning.

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I'm not saying he's not an excellent goalie. Neither am I denying he has a lot of potential. What I am saying is that this is the 3rd highest fee ever paid in the world for a keeper and the highest ever paid in England. Let's hope he realizes his potential, but it is a huge risk. Remember David Marshall, anyone? "Great young keeper with potential whose team was relegated." For sure, I'm not the expert that our recruiters are; I'm simply pointing out the extent of the risk we're taking.

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Let's put this in perspective: This is the third highest fee ever paid, anywhere in the world, for a goalkeeper. How on earth can we justify that? If he was the best goalkeeper playing one of the best teams in the world, I could understand it, but his team came rock bottom. For sure, he looked good in many respects, but he's young and only played for one year in the Prem. This one almighty risk when we already have another young keeper with much more experience in this league.

 

man city just paid 34.9m for a guy from portugal untested in the prem. this guy is tested in the prem, solid, young and ready to grow and improve. also we aren't paying 30m, that's with add ons. some have said 18-22m which would be more than fair.

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All keepers do though, even the best!

 

£30m for at least as good is a fuckton of cash for little/no improvement

 

Yeh but he makes some shocking mistakes at times. I cant remember the game but we are taking about mistakes an under 16 keeper wouldn't make (hence why he was dropped again) and then the standard GK mistakes on top of that. Simply put Joel isn't good enough to be our number 1 next season unless we are happy to sit where we are. Pickford has the potential to go to the very top or very close to it, whereas Joel doesn't. There aren't many top class keepers knocking around, nor many promising keepers that would come to us.

 

£30mil is not the true figure, that could be years and years down the line that those clauses may kick in, or they may never kick in. I remember the insiders of the Bolasie deal where reporting that the actual sum was around half of that reported with the rest being unlikely add-ons (especially now because of his injury). If this Pickford deal is a basic amount of £18-21mil as reported, its a reasonable sum. I would expect Robles to be worth at least £10mil plus add ons.

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Yeh but he makes some shocking mistakes at times. I cant remember the game but we are taking about mistakes an under 16 keeper wouldn't make (hence why he was dropped again) and then the standard GK mistakes on top of that. Simply put Joel isn't good enough to be our number 1 next season unless we are happy to sit where we are. Pickford has the potential to go to the very top or very close to it, whereas Joel doesn't. There aren't many top class keepers knocking around, nor many promising keepers that would come to us.

 

£30mil is not the true figure, that could be years and years down the line that those clauses may kick in, or they may never kick in. I remember the insiders of the Bolasie deal where reporting that the actual sum was around half of that reported with the rest being unlikely add-ons (especially now because of his injury). If this Pickford deal is a basic amount of £18-21mil as reported, its a reasonable sum. I would expect Robles to be worth at least £10mil plus add ons.

disagree on Joel, he still has potential that he's not being given the chance to develop.

 

Out of my hands, and I'll welcome Pickford with open arms. Just don't see the difference in quality for the money touted

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man city just paid 34.9m for a guy from portugal untested in the prem. this guy is tested in the prem, solid, young and ready to grow and improve. also we aren't paying 30m, that's with add ons. some have said 18-22m which would be more than fair.

The goalkeeper that man city have just signed is regarded as the standout keeper from this years champions league, he had some brilliant games especially against dortmund

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I've been pretty clear why :)

 

yes matt but we're not bill kenwright sell to buy anymore. we have money and want to compete with the best and win trophies. to do that we need to spend money. very simple equation, real madrid won champions league and their league, chelsea won our league, united won europa, all 3 were top spenders. just how it goes.

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All we need now is a striker who can bring those kicks under control with a good first touch!

Chris Kirkland rates him as good as anything he has seen or worked with.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/phil-smith-pickford-will-become-world-class-at-everton-but-where-should-sunderland-go-next-1-8592779/amp

 

 

It is quite clear that this lad impresses in many aspects... if he flops we would probably lose £10m.... if he prospers he will probably be worth £50m

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yes matt but we're not bill kenwright sell to buy anymore. we have money and want to compete with the best and win trophies. to do that we need to spend money. very simple equation, real madrid won champions league and their league, chelsea won our league, united won europa, all 3 were top spenders. just how it goes.

To do that we need to improve on what we've got, the money can help (certainly with consistent success) but it's not the "way". I'm looking at Dortmund of a few years ago, Leicester, Montpellier.

 

As for the not being buy to sell, pretty sure that's been debunked so far.... (not that I care provided the correct players come in)

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Hope we get this done quickly. Arguably this is the most important position to get sorted - let him have as much time as possible to build a relationship with the defence.

Don't hold your breath.

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To do that we need to improve on what we've got, the money can help (certainly with consistent success) but it's not the "way". I'm looking at Dortmund of a few years ago, Leicester, Montpellier.

 

As for the not being buy to sell, pretty sure that's been debunked so far.... (not that I care provided the correct players come in)

 

dortmund spent more than bayern in 2016 and are the second biggest spenders in their league, not a good example. Leicester are a once in 20 years winners and then fall back to mediocrity, no thanks i don't want that. Montpellier haven't been good since Giroud left and had a leicester like season winning the league only to join mediocrity indefinately.

 

not sure what you're talking about matt, it's like your reality of football is different than the actual situation. i don't want a fairy tale team, i want a consistent trophy winning and CL playing side. spending ensures that, simple as that.

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It doesn't quite ensure that, there is risk with every signing.

 

steve in the last 20 years of Champions league i see 1 team that didn't spend copious amounts of money, Porto in 2003-2004 which was now 14 year ago (likely not to be repeated). it doesn't ensure success, but it is vital to success.

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Pickford is an investment for the next 10 years, maybe more. Lets say we get 7 good seasons out of him, will he have been worth the £30m? You bet your ass he will. Obviously this is a hypothesis but its a solid one at that.

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dortmund spent more than bayern in 2016 and are the second biggest spenders in their league, not a good example. Leicester are a once in 20 years winners and then fall back to mediocrity, no thanks i don't want that. Montpellier haven't been good since Giroud left and had a leicester like season winning the league only to join mediocrity indefinately.

 

not sure what you're talking about matt, it's like your reality of football is different than the actual situation. i don't want a fairy tale team, i want a consistent trophy winning and CL playing side. spending ensures that, simple as that.

my reality is that after 30 years of being an Evertonian, I've witnessed 1 FA Cup that was won, not bought.

 

I do want the fairytale, to start. I want the fairytale to kick off a new era, and not just throw money at names ala City, Chelsea, PSG, Real, Barcelona, but because we earned it.

 

I don't like the way the game has developed over the last 10-15 years, the money involved is disgusting - 10 years ago I was making the same argument as you're making funnily enough.

 

I still want Everton to be the best, but to do it the right way. That's the reality I want and hold on to.

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Matt...I think you're going to struggle with the fee's you see in this transfer window.

 

Eye watering stuff!!!

 

:lol:

i was struggling the last couple of years :lol:

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disagree on Joel, he still has potential that he's not being given the chance to develop.

 

Out of my hands, and I'll welcome Pickford with open arms. Just don't see the difference in quality for the money touted

Agree with yer. No where near a £30m upgrade.

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my reality is that after 30 years of being an Evertonian, I've witnessed 1 FA Cup that was won, not bought.

 

I do want the fairytale, to start. I want the fairytale to kick off a new era, and not just throw money at names ala City, Chelsea, PSG, Real, Barcelona, but because we earned it.

 

I don't like the way the game has developed over the last 10-15 years, the money involved is disgusting - 10 years ago I was making the same argument as you're making funnily enough.

 

I still want Everton to be the best, but to do it the right way. That's the reality I want and hold on to.

See I on the other hand really couldn't give a shit how we do it, I just want us to win things. I'd happily see Everton throw money at players to win trophies. Fuck the right way, winning is what counts. Nice guys finish last and all that.

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See I on the other hand really couldn't give a shit how we do it, I just want us to win things. I'd happily see Everton throw money at players to win trophies. Fuck the right way, winning is what counts. Nice guys finish last and all that.

and I understand why, like I said I used to think the same. Just turned into an old romantic

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We can get the best of both worlds if we (or rather Koeman and Walsh) are smart, by spending big bucks on quality players, but only those quality players that will fit in with the dressing room and not regard themselves (as Lukaku appears to) as being above the rest of the squad.

 

Spend big on quality TEAM players (Morgan as an example) and we can win, and win the Everton way.

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and I understand why, like I said I used to think the same. Just turned into an old romantic

I wish we would do it with style, out of the choice obviously the nice way is the best way but after growing up surrounded by kopites celebrating cup wins every couple of years its become very tedious seeing us win just 1 in that time.

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We can get the best of both worlds if we (or rather Koeman and Walsh) are smart, by spending big bucks on quality players, but only those quality players that will fit in with the dressing room and not regard themselves (as Lukaku appears to) as being above the rest of the squad.

 

Spend big on quality TEAM players (Morgan as an example) and we can win, and win the Everton way.

 

Yes Rusty! My way of looking at it to.

 

Spend big on the players you need to, scrimp on the players you can afford to (Gana £7m, Sandro £5m). It'll balance itself out.

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I get the reservations but this lad looks set to become a top keeper the type of which we couldn't sign of he was the finished article

 

We are buying ready made with massive potential that's the difference for me between Pickford and Robles who I don't think has much more room for improvement whereas Pickford imo will go on to become a world beater

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See I on the other hand really couldn't give a shit how we do it, I just want us to win things. I'd happily see Everton throw money at players to win trophies. Fuck the right way, winning is what counts. Nice guys finish last and all that.

Amen

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How many trophies have we won with shit goalkeepers?

 

How many leagues have been won with shit goalkeepers?

 

The fact is - like we seen with Bobby mimms coming in for an injured southall... a goalkeeper is more than just about making saves... it's organisation... giving the defence confidence, distribution.

 

It's clear Robles despite making some good saves and good performances doesnt have it between the ears... neither does stek.

 

By all accounts this kid is the real deal - we are making a ballsy move. Let's fuckin applaud the club for doing something like this.

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He's better than Joel plain and simple, if you did a poll for the top six sides and asked there respective fans who they would want Pickford or Robles it would be a massive landslide in favour of Pickford

 

I'm not being harsh on Robles he did an OK job but to me personally it's glaringly obvious who's better

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He's better than Joel plain and simple, if you did a poll for the top six sides and asked there respective fans who they would want Pickford or Robles it would be a massive landslide in favour of Pickford

 

I'm not being harsh on Robles he did an OK job but to me personally it's glaringly obvious who's better

 

I don't get it. Objective stats reveal that Robles is one of the best keepers in the league. This decision appears to be more about emotions and relationships than anything else.

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interesting, but as you said not really meaningful (enough at least)

I think the most we can take from this is that Joel may not as poor as many believe he is and that we will only know how good Pickford can be if he has a chance to play for a good team (or, alternatively, if he had a few more seasons under his belt, giving us a larger sample size).

 

£30m (or whatever) is a big risk. I just hope that our scouting system has analyzed the shit out of Pickford's limited tapes to identify his good qualities and which things he will need to improve. Hopefully, we are going about this smartly and have a clear idea of how to make him into a keeper worthy of the price tag.

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We could buy 9 Steve Simonsens for the fee being touted.

 

I like Pickford a lot, but £30million is an obscene amount for a player who had one good season in a shite team.

 

Surely we could have got or still get Hart, Begovic, Butland or Forster for that kind of cash.

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I don't get it. Objective stats reveal that Robles is one of the best keepers in the league. This decision appears to be more about emotions and relationships than anything else.

It shows the weakness in stats versus watching the player though.

We watch him week in , week out and it's plain as day he is average.

 

I always remember him being mentioned as MoM after a clean sheet. Yet the stats in the match showed that we never received a shot on target.

In that respect, your dead right. People form their opinions out of emotion rather than anything else.

 

One group will be right, one will be wrong. But if Robles is so good then it doesn't matter as Pickford will be a very good second choice.

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I think the most we can take from this is that Joel may not as poor as many believe he is and that we will only know how good Pickford can be if he has a chance to play for a good team (or, alternatively, if he had a few more seasons under his belt, giving us a larger sample size).

 

£30m (or whatever) is a big risk. I just hope that our scouting system has analyzed the shit out of Pickford's limited tapes to identify his good qualities and which things he will need to improve. Hopefully, we are going about this smartly and have a clear idea of how to make him into a keeper worthy of the price tag.

best explanation so far

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It shows the weakness in stats versus watching the player though.

We watch him week in , week out and it's plain as day he is average.

 

I always remember him being mentioned as MoM after a clean sheet. Yet the stats in the match showed that we never received a shot on target.

In that respect, your dead right. People form their opinions out of emotion rather than anything else.

 

One group will be right, one will be wrong. But if Robles is so good then it doesn't matter as Pickford will be a very good second choice.

 

It's sad, but Robles is as good a gone now. Seriously, we wouldn't pay the highest fee ever in England for a goalkeeper only for him to sit on the bench.

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A lot of my mates are sunderland st holders and have been raving about him for ages. I'll be made up if we complete it. Think he'll go on to be a world class keeper. He's already better than what we've had in ages. Both big nev and Peter Shilton have said he's worth the money and they know a thing or two about keeping.

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I don't get it. Objective stats reveal that Robles is one of the best keepers in the league. This decision appears to be more about emotions and relationships than anything else.

Stats hardly ever paint a true picture for a multitude of reasons

 

I've judged him on watching them both not with emotion why would I have emotion towards him? You're making me blush Steve ?

 

On a serious note though the lad is a talent and I'll put a wager on now that this lad will go on to become a fantastic/top level keeper

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best explanation so far

Thank you, sir.

 

Personally, I'd rather we bought someone proven at keeper if we're going to buy a number 1 at all. This is a lot of money to throw at potential in a position where stability is all too important.

 

That said, if we do buy him, I hope he becomes the next Neville Southall and stays with us for the duration of his prime years.

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Yeah Neville Southall has thrown his hat in the ring.... he really rates him.

 

That in itself is good enough for me.... the man had ridiculous standards. He identified pickford a month or so ago.

 

I honestly think people forget just how much a solid goalie improves the team.

 

A top goalie will save you an extra 15 to 20 goals a season.... people have no problem spending £40m plus on a striker that gets that many .... so why not spend £30m in a goalie that can save you that many.

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Yeah Neville Southall has thrown his hat in the ring.... he really rates him.

 

That in itself is good enough for me.... the man had ridiculous standards. He identified pickford a month or so ago.

 

I honestly think people forget just how much a solid goalie improves the team.

 

A top goalie will save you an extra 15 to 20 goals a season.... people have no problem spending £40m plus on a striker that gets that many .... so why not spend £30m in a goalie that can save you that many.

 

I'd question 15-20 goals a season; that's saving a goal every other game. More like 5-10, I would say, but I take your point.

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From what I read last night I thought it was 18m initial fee with the potential to rise to 30m depedning on league positions, trophies e.t.c

 

Basically, if he is the lad in between the sticks when we finish top 4 or lift a trophy, it will be 30m well spent. Otherwise 18m isn't a bad price for a future star. Look at what City paid for their keeper after all.

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Made up with this if it goes through. Forget the money - all transfer prices are hyper inflated following the ludicrous last TV deal, and guess what, we've got a money man behind us.

 

This lad is rated as a real talent, with Hart finished and Heaton/Forster not quite good enough, it will be a straight shoot out between him and Butland for England No 1 jersey for next ten years. I liked Paul Simpson's comments about him, who had him on loan at Preston - he's a winner, an organiser, confident, a presence in the dressing room. Everyone saw his talent in some of his performances for a dire Sunderland team last season, but mentality is what we're paying for, especially with a keeper. I'm with Haf all the way - world class keepers win you things. We don't know if he's world class yet, but isn't that what we brought Walsh in for, to be able to pick them?

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If you've an ounce of common sense you will understand that the fee's for players have risen dramatically, without sounding pompous if people can't comprehend something so simple then I couldn't care less what they think tbh

 

Plus it's been widely reported the fee is £18m with add ons so I'd wait until the club release official figures before people's heads fall off

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If you've an ounce of common sense you will understand that the fee's for players have risen dramatically, If people can't comprehend something so simple then I couldn't care less what they think tbh

 

Plus it's been widely reported the fee is £18m with add ons so I'd wait until the club release official figures before people's heads fall off

 

There's every chance it'll be an undisclosed fee. I hate those.

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There's every chance it'll be an undisclosed fee. I hate those.

Yep, I used to be always under the assumption that undisclosed had to be under £10m

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