Newty82 Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 On 02/12/2017 at 20:20, duncanmckenzieismagic said: No I wouldn’t say it’s normal, but there are a lot of shite teams in the Prem this year, ourselves included Any 3 from 10th down could easily be relegated Now that we are in 9th, does that mean we are no longer in the fight?!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Were we ever really in one. Newty82, Matt, markjazzbassist and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 21 minutes ago, Palfy said: Were we ever really in one. Exactly markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 32 minutes ago, Palfy said: Were we ever really in one. The way we were playing, yes I believe we were. Paddock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 imho every team is in a relegation battle while it is still mathematically possible to go down. .... No matter how unlikely. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 10 points from a relegation spot and 9 from a champions league place and players starting to find some form, do me a favour and cut the relegation bull shit out. Newty82, MikeO and markjazzbassist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 32 minutes ago, Palfy said: 10 points from a relegation spot and 9 from a champions league place and players starting to find some form, do me a favour and cut the relegation bull shit out. yes sir no more shit....... lets just go down and we can win the football league, and I think also going down will be Man city, Liverpool and Chelsea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 12 hours ago, rubecula said: imho every team is in a relegation battle while it is still mathematically possible to go down. .... No matter how unlikely. So that's every team bar City then. I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 14 hours ago, rubecula said: imho every team is in a relegation battle while it is still mathematically possible to go down. .... No matter how unlikely. Agreed. Unlikely we go down, but if we have a terrible run of form over the next month, we'll be right back in it. Crucial to pick up some more points during the holiday period. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 12 hours ago, Palfy said: 10 points from a relegation spot and 9 from a champions league place and players starting to find some form, do me a favour and cut the relegation bull shit out. I agree, we are not now in a relegation fight. After the 5 - 2 defeat to Arsenal, and the loss to Leicester we were staring at a relegation battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, London Blue said: I agree, we are not now in a relegation fight. After the 5 - 2 defeat to Arsenal, and the loss to Leicester we were staring at a relegation battle. They weren't good times but for some reason I didn't feel the threat of relegation, I think I immunized my self from it last season when I was shouting sack Koeman he's going to take us down and we ended up finishing 7th. Matt and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 44 minutes ago, Palfy said: They weren't good times but for some reason I didn't feel the threat of relegation, I think I immunized my self from it last season when I was shouting sack Koeman he's going to take us down and we ended up finishing 7th. I didn't think we would be relegated as I knew we would get someone in to sort it out. But the way we were playing with no confidence or formation, style that worked made us relegation candidate's if we did not bring a new manager in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Lets put it this way..... Our team was getting tonked left right and centre. Not just beaten but absolutely destroyed. Not by good teams but by shit teams too. That doesn't happen to good sides.... it doesn't happen to average sides..... it happens to shit sides and shit sides get relegated. Our team has been bust out of shape by a poor manager. An inexperienced manager couldn't rectify it.... a new manager has bought his coaches in and it seems to have resulted in some key wins. Let's be honest if we lost them we would be thinking that we are destined for bottom 3. Let's not pretend relegation was never a threat - it was. Romey 1878, Quinn31 and rubecula 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 6 hours ago, MikeO said: So that's every team bar City then. I don't think so. I agree Mike it is very unlikely but it is mathematically possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 18 hours ago, hafnia said: Lets put it this way..... Our team was getting tonked left right and centre. Not just beaten but absolutely destroyed. Not by good teams but by shit teams too. That doesn't happen to good sides.... it doesn't happen to average sides..... it happens to shit sides and shit sides get relegated. Our team has been bust out of shape by a poor manager. An inexperienced manager couldn't rectify it.... a new manager has bought his coaches in and it seems to have resulted in some key wins. Let's be honest if we lost them we would be thinking that we are destined for bottom 3. Let's not pretend relegation was never a threat - it was. If those kind of results and performances were still happening after around game 25, entering into February, then relegation would have been a threat. No doubt about it. Then we would have been amongst it all. Definitely. What always bugged me about this particular thread was the condescending nature of it. I read back on it the other night and some of the comments are pretty arrogant to say the least. We'll see what happens though. Plenty of games to go. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 18 hours ago, hafnia said: Lets put it this way..... Our team was getting tonked left right and centre. Not just beaten but absolutely destroyed. Not by good teams but by shit teams too. That doesn't happen to good sides.... it doesn't happen to average sides..... it happens to shit sides and shit sides get relegated. Our team has been bust out of shape by a poor manager. An inexperienced manager couldn't rectify it.... a new manager has bought his coaches in and it seems to have resulted in some key wins. Let's be honest if we lost them we would be thinking that we are destined for bottom 3. Let's not pretend relegation was never a threat - it was. It never was simply because it was too early in the season with too many points to play for despite how horrific our performances had been. The squad has always had the talent to be much higher up the table, they just needed stability and leadership, and Moshiri took too long addressing it. As soon as the managerial situation was sorted, everything calmed down and that was always going to be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 I've watched us toy with relegation a few times and our current side was in that bracket. It was shocking to see. I still think we are a long way off. A good injection of money is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 A lot of people panicked, it was far too early in the season to think of relegation. i think we might get seventh again this year. we are only one point behind Leicester to go into eighth and then its just a case of waiting for Burnley to come back to us because they cant keep up their present form. MikeO, Newty82, markjazzbassist and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 2 hours ago, hafnia said: I've watched us toy with relegation a few times and our current side was in that bracket. It was shocking to see. I still think we are a long way off. A good injection of money is required. Performance wise, yes. But the talent is there in this squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Bill said: A lot of people panicked, it was far too early in the season to think of relegation. i think we might get seventh again this year. we are only one point behind Leicester to go into eighth and then its just a case of waiting for Burnley to come back to us because they cant keep up their present form. Been thinking the same today about Burnley. But then I remember I said the same about Leicester when they won the league! It wouldn't surprise me if Burnley faded out a bit. But I wouldn't begrudge them a good season. I like how they've gone about things as a club. Built it up patiently, stuck with their manager even after relegation. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 I’m sure people thought we’d be reeled in when we finished fourth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 It would be nice to see a club like Burnley get into Europe but i cant see it, i remember Blackpool being in a similar position at Christmas and fell like a stone in the new year and got relegated.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Burnley Fixtures ....Man Utd twice, Liverpool and Spurs in the next six games. Sat Dec 23 Tottenham Hotspur H Tue Dec 26 Manchester United A Sat Dec 30 Huddersfield Town A Mon Jan 1 Liverpool H Sat Jan 13 Crystal Palace A Sat Jan 20 Manchester United H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 22 minutes ago, Bill said: Burnley Fixtures ....Man Utd twice, Liverpool and Spurs in the next six games. Sat Dec 23 Tottenham Hotspur H Tue Dec 26 Manchester United A Sat Dec 30 Huddersfield Town A Mon Jan 1 Liverpool H Sat Jan 13 Crystal Palace A Sat Jan 20 Manchester United H Palace playing very well right now and Huddersfield has been terrific in SOME of their matches. They could pick up next to nothing from these six and slide down or pick up some points and continue to surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 11 hours ago, Matt said: It never was simply because it was too early in the season with too many points to play for despite how horrific our performances had been. The squad has always had the talent to be much higher up the table, they just needed stability and leadership, and Moshiri took too long addressing it. As soon as the managerial situation was sorted, everything calmed down and that was always going to be the case. Matt old mate, dunno whether you are playing the Devil's Advocate or simply being naive. Relegation was always possible and honestly it still is. Things are better now but let's not think we just got out of a bad situation. Papering over the cracks does not do more than hide them, yes we re doing better, but we can still get sucked down into a nasty place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 3 hours ago, rubecula said: Matt old mate, dunno whether you are playing the Devil's Advocate or simply being naive. Relegation was always possible and honestly it still is. Things are better now but let's not think we just got out of a bad situation. Papering over the cracks does not do more than hide them, yes we re doing better, but we can still get sucked down into a nasty place. I’m not at all, I’m quite serious. Our form would’ve lead to relegation but that was always a temporary thing and there were 80 something points to play for when this discussion first started. Never doubted we’d get back on track, simple as that. Maybe my early memories of Mike Walker and Walter Smith have hardened me up to be more positive rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 It’s not about it being mathematically possible or our form in certain matches. It’s about if we were realistically in a relegation scrap. And you can’t be in a relegation scrap at that stage of the season. There are far too many points to play for, injury’s and even a transfer window to contend with. Man City has not won the premier in the few months. Lukaku hasn’t already ordered his CL tickets for next year. We were not preparing for the championship. This thread started through emotion... and many felt that emotion, and had a right and reason to. But realistically, there was no relegation battle going on.... just as realistically, we haven’t done enough to suggest there won’t be one yet. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 If those kind of results and performances were still happening after around game 25, entering into February, then relegation would have been a threat. No doubt about it. Then we would have been amongst it all. Definitely. What always bugged me about this particular thread was the condescending nature of it. I read back on it the other night and some of the comments are pretty arrogant to say the least. We'll see what happens though. Plenty of games to go.If those performances had continued into February we would have been down already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 It’s not about it being mathematically possible or our form in certain matches. It’s about if we were realistically in a relegation scrap. And you can’t be in a relegation scrap at that stage of the season. There are far too many points to play for, injury’s and even a transfer window to contend with. Man City has not won the premier in the few months. Lukaku hasn’t already ordered his CL tickets for next year. We were not preparing for the championship. This thread started through emotion... and many felt that emotion, and had a right and reason to. But realistically, there was no relegation battle going on.... just as realistically, we haven’t done enough to suggest there won’t be one yet.So if we were 10 points adrift on Christmas Day we still wouldn’t be in a relegation battle because there were still 57 points to play for ???? Paddock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: If those performances had continued into February we would have been down already 1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: So if we were 10 points adrift on Christmas Day we still wouldn’t be in a relegation battle because there were still 57 points to play for ???? But they didn’t and we aren’t. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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