markjazzbassist Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: If you can’t see the difference in how the back four were setup and how they were told to play then this a pointless discussion to be honest i saw a holgate williams partnership that was a guaranteed clean sheet, we haven't seen them since. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 i saw a holgate williams partnership that was a guaranteed clean sheet, we haven't seen them since.I’m guessing that you are blissfully unaware that Holgate only started one league game under Unsy , and that was forced on him due to injuries . He has been pretty much an ever present under Allardyce Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 When we're linked with a player called Terrier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: I’m guessing that you are blissfully unaware that Holgate only started one league game under Unsy , and that was forced on him due to injuries . He has been pretty much an ever present under Allardyce yep and what was the result of that match? and subsequent matches with that exact same lineup? Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: I’m guessing that you are blissfully unaware that Holgate only started one league game under Unsy , and that was forced on him due to injuries . He has been pretty much an ever present under Allardyce Holgate was injured though for a lot of Unsy's time. I do think it was forced but it did work. I'm not sure why Allardyce is changing it? pete0 and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 19 hours ago, Paddock said: They will because Unsworth managed for far less games. 19 hours ago, Paddock said: We weren’t really scoring many before that Nogs and were conceding at an alarming rate. Granted we just got bummed by Spurs but so will a lot of sides this season. Are you not reading the posts with statistics? Unsworth earned more points per game than either Koeman or Allardyce. The number of games is irrelevant since that stat is per game. Unsworth's teams scored, on average, twice as many goals per game as either Koeman or Allardyce, so I don't see how you can claim "we weren't scoring many before that". Indeed, Everton scored more goals in the 5 games managed by Unsworth than in the 9 games so far managed by Allardyce. Facts can be stubborn things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Are you not reading the posts with statistics? Unsworth earned more points per game than either Koeman or Allardyce. The number of games is irrelevant since that stat is per game. Unsworth's teams scored, on average, twice as many goals per game as either Koeman or Allardyce, so I don't see how you can claim "we weren't scoring many before that". Indeed, Everton scored more goals in the 5 games managed by Unsworth than in the 9 games so far managed by Allardyce. Facts can be stubborn things.What a load of rubbish of course the number of games are relevantGoing on your logic we should have brought Triaore back because he had a better goals per game ratio in the Premiership than Harry KaneIt is also relevant who the opposition were in those games, of the 5 league games he was in charge of we played an out of sorts Watford and 4 teams struggling near the foot of the table Quinn31, Newty82, Paddock and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: Are you not reading the posts with statistics? Unsworth earned more points per game than either Koeman or Allardyce. The number of games is irrelevant since that stat is per game. Unsworth's teams scored, on average, twice as many goals per game as either Koeman or Allardyce, so I don't see how you can claim "we weren't scoring many before that". Indeed, Everton scored more goals in the 5 games managed by Unsworth than in the 9 games so far managed by Allardyce. Facts can be stubborn things. You’re talking out your arse again Steve- so if Unsworth managed for 1 game and won it and Allerdyce managed for 8 and won 5 lost 2 and drew 1 Unsworth would have better points per game ratio. Any manger who manages for 5 or so games will have a better ratio if he wins a few of them than a manager who is managing for 20 or more. Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Paddock said: You’re talking out your arse again Steve- so if Unsworth managed for 1 game and won it and Allerdyce managed for 8 and won 5 lost 2 and drew 1 Unsworth would have better points per game ratio. Any manger who manages for 5 or so games will have a better ratio if he wins a few of them than a manager who is managing for 20 or more. Trust me: I wish we had a larger sample size for Unsworth. I would suggest that we played better in the game against West Ham than we have in any other this season. Chach, markjazzbassist and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: Trust me: I wish we had a larger sample size for Unsworth. I would suggest that we played better in the game against West Ham than we have in any other this season. But you don’t so to stack up the figures like that is grossly unfair and basically just suits your agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Guys it’s just talking facts that’s all. Doesnt mean Unsworth would have done any better... and at the same time, it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have. We simply will never know! One thing I can say.... I enjoyed watching us a damn site more under him than I do now. I pray this ridiculous football gets better and we can start being positive again. markjazzbassist, MikeO and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chach Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 29 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: I would suggest that we played better in the game against West Ham than we have in any other this season. True that. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 7 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: What a load of rubbish of course the number of games are relevant Going on your logic we should have brought Triaore back because he had a better goals per game ratio in the Premiership than Harry Kane It is also relevant who the opposition were in those games, of the 5 league games he was in charge of we played an out of sorts Watford and 4 teams struggling near the foot of the table 5 hours ago, Paddock said: You’re talking out your arse again Steve- so if Unsworth managed for 1 game and won it and Allerdyce managed for 8 and won 5 lost 2 and drew 1 Unsworth would have better points per game ratio. Any manger who manages for 5 or so games will have a better ratio if he wins a few of them than a manager who is managing for 20 or more. 5 games is roughly a seventh of the season so it isn'tt a completely unreasonable sample. Managers have been sacked for less games in charge and It's not like Allardyces sample is much bigger! In general terms though how much easier have Unsy's games been? Leicester had just changed manager and have played well since, Palace are one of the form teams in the league, Watford are capable of beating and losing to anyone and West Ham had also just changed managers and have done really well since we stuffed them. Southampton are and were shite. Allardyce has played easy games in Huddersfield, Newcastle, Bournemouth and Swansea. WBA changed manager but they aren't any better. That is however balanced against an on fire Liverpool, and hot and cold Chelsea, Spurs and Utd. Unsworth probably had it slightly easier but he also had to compete with playing EL sides midweek and the league cup games against Chelsea. The games have been as demanding for Allardyce but both of them are dealing with the effects of fatigue on players that have been on the go since July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 We’re 9th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Shukes said: We’re 9th. 6 points behind 8th and 7 from 18th. Even I’m running out of patience at the moment with the shite this “manager” is putting out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 It wasn't difficult to understand that this bunch of cowards were going to need some luck and serious intervention to get to 40 plus points. We wont break 50 points put it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 We just have to be eternally grateful (though completely mystified) by the run of 13 points from a possible 15 starting with the West Ham game. If it hadn't have been for that we'd be totally screwed; I'm still not confident about collecting 12 points from the next 14 games though. Make it stop. Quinn31, Bailey, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 If we keep playing like we have been, we will get sucked into it just as the real fight begins. We don't want to be on a downward spiral as the fight begins! Matt, MikeO and Quinn31 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Newty82 said: If we keep playing like we have been, we will get sucked into it just as the real fight begins. We don't want to be on a downward spiral as the fight begins! From somewhere we need to conjure up three wins, those nine points and a couple of draws will see us safe. Unfortunately I don't see three teams worse than us currently; there are many clubs with inferior players but no teams with inferior teamwork and leadership. I'm truly nervous we could be sucked in. Romey 1878 and Newty82 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 minute ago, MikeO said: From somewhere we need to conjure up three wins, those nine points and a couple of draws will see us safe. Unfortunately I don't see three teams worse than us currently; there are many clubs with inferior players but no teams with inferior teamwork and leadership. I'm truly nervous we could be sucked in. Yep. My nerves are a bit wobbly too. I still think we'll be ok, but we may end up fondling the relegation fodder of this continues.....before pulling away again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 11 hours ago, MikeO said: From somewhere we need to conjure up three wins, those nine points and a couple of draws will see us safe. Unfortunately I don't see three teams worse than us currently; there are many clubs with inferior players but no teams with inferior teamwork and leadership. I'm truly nervous we could be sucked in. The next 2 games for me define if we are or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Matt said: The next 2 games for me define if we are or not. If we don't get absolutely torn to shreds by Leicester I'll be very surprised. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said: If we don't get absolutely torn to shreds by Leicester I'll be very surprised. And I’m fully anticipating that. But, I said I’d give until the end of the window which is the next game. Throwing in a bonus one for shits and giggles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StevO Posted January 21, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 He now needs to buy a left back and a midfielder before the end of the window, I’m getting very nervous. Don’t see where the next win is coming from. Don’t see a style of play or any sort of pattern or idea when we are on the pitch. Quinn31, Bailey, Matt and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 http://www.football365.com/news/williams-not-sure-if-everton-are-in-relegation-battle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation £10 on with Ladbrokes at 50/1 would help with drowning the sorrows finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 8 points ahead of bottom of the league and devoid of any confidence or fluidity in our play. We simply must beat Leicester next week as, having watched the gutless performances this season, I dread to think what could happen if we get dragged any deeper into this. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 I don’t think we can deal with Vardy’s runs and Mahrez’s quality on the ball. I’m worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 I can see us struggling to the 40 mark, then at the end of the season when we achieve it the players start to get some form back because they know they're safe and can play with less pressure. Then Sam will probably keep his job after the Summer. Probably end up signing a 12 year deal and win us the champions league within his first two seasons. But you know, I'm trying to be a optimist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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