Romey 1878 Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 He’s had his Sunderland contract terminated and is expected to move to the MLS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: He’s had his Sunderland contract terminated and is expected to move to the MLS. Can see Barkley going the right way. Something perhaps as a club we've not got right in the past, developing the right attitude in our best young players? Baxter's another complete waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 2 hours ago, nogs said: Can see Barkley going the right way. Something perhaps as a club we've not got right in the past, developing the right attitude in our best young players? Baxter's another complete waste. Very few have been talented enough for the top flight so will as most would move for better money and a better lifestyle I don't buy into this blaming the development system it's as clear as day the ones that have fallen off weren't upto scratch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: He’s had his Sunderland contract terminated and is expected to move to the MLS. Very sad; don't know why it all went so wrong for him, talent wasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, MikeO said: Very sad; don't know why it all went so wrong for him, talent wasted. Another one without it between the ears. Just didn’t have the drive. Its on a smaller scale than Barkley because he didn’t have that sort of talent, but still more than he’s been able to show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, EFC-Paul said: I don't buy into this blaming the development system it's as clear as day the ones that have fallen off weren't upto scratch Rodwell could have been a great player, he was miles ahead of Henderson. Moyes overloaded him and he's never fully recovered. Not the only career that ginger cunt ruined. Look at Vaughan, Anichebe, and Gosling. Completely overlooked the rest, who either turned to drink or got out and turned out to be a lot better than Moyes could see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, pete0 said: Rodwell could have been a great player, he was miles ahead of Henderson. Moyes overloaded him and he's never fully recovered. Not the only career that ginger cunt ruined. Look at Vaughan, Anichebe, and Gosling. Completely overlooked the rest, who either turned to drink or got out and turned out to be a lot better than Moyes could see. Not buying Gosling; how did Moyes ruin him? He was never anything special, he's now found his level and is having a decent career, was never going to be good enough for us. Neither was Anichebe imo. rubecula and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, pete0 said: Rodwell could have been a great player, he was miles ahead of Henderson. Moyes overloaded him and he's never fully recovered. Not the only career that ginger cunt ruined. Look at Vaughan, Anichebe, and Gosling. Completely overlooked the rest, who either turned to drink or got out and turned out to be a lot better than Moyes could see. Not one of those you've mentioned were ever good enough for this level, Vic was gifted a career here when many other managers and sides would have shipped him off far sooner Rodwell did have ability the point was he wasn't failed by our youth system or development team he made over 80 appearances got a big move and it didn't work out so I fail to see how a lad who was developed did quite well for us earned his big move then flopped at a shite side has any bearing on this club!? Who turned out to be a lot better than Moyes could see? Mustafi Dier (if you can claim that one) I genuinely can't think of any more? rubecula and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 2 hours ago, pete0 said: Rodwell could have been a great player, he was miles ahead of Henderson. Moyes overloaded him and he's never fully recovered. Not the only career that ginger cunt ruined. Look at Vaughan, Anichebe, and Gosling. Completely overlooked the rest, who either turned to drink or got out and turned out to be a lot better than Moyes could see. Sorry I'm not buying this either, Rodwell took the big money move and wasn't forced out as far as I'm aware, in what way does that reflect badly on the club? He failed to make an impression at City, and then at Sunderland who have just has successive relegations, and now has his contract terminated by a third tier team, yeah that's all Everton's fault ! ( No it's not ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Another one without it between the ears. Just didn’t have the drive. Its on a smaller scale than Barkley because he didn’t have that sort of talent, but still more than he’s been able to show. This. No good blaming Moyes (in isolation at least), no good arguing a lack of talent for players that were singled out in the England youth set up at a very early age. For whatever reason, some of our most promising youngsters since Rooney haven't had the mental strength to fulfil their promise. Maybe it's just the way they are as people, but maybe it's something as a club we didn't do enough to get right. Hopefully we've turned a corner in that sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 12 hours ago, MikeO said: Not buying Gosling; how did Moyes ruin him? He was never anything special, he's now found his level and is having a decent career, was never going to be good enough for us. Neither was Anichebe imo. Made him stay on the pitch when he ruptured a ligament, you could see he was in pain and Moyes was shouting at him to stay on as we had no subs left. That prolonged period would have aggrevated it more, and I imagine was a big factor in him leaving. Point being with Anichebe and the others is they all suffered more injuries than average. Moyes didn't look after the kids, he overloaded them. Likewise Moyes rushed Rodwell back time and time again. Needlessly so as well, one time he brought him back and played in on the wing only got him to pull up after about half an hour. 9 hours ago, Wiggytop said: Sorry I'm not buying this either, Rodwell took the big money move and wasn't forced out as far as I'm aware, in what way does that reflect badly on the club? He failed to make an impression at City, and then at Sunderland who have just has successive relegations, and now has his contract terminated by a third tier team, yeah that's all Everton's fault ! ( No it's not ) Big money? He went for less than Jordan Henderson. Rodwell was goosed as Moyes put too much on him, the club knew this and sold him cheap. City took a punt. Rodwell didn't push for a move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 10 hours ago, EFC-Paul said: Who turned out to be a lot better than Moyes could see? Mustafi Dier (if you can claim that one) I genuinely can't think of any more? Baines, Ruddy, Duffy, Ferrari, Barkley. I'd add the likes Vellios, Jutkiewicz, Gueye, Forshaw, Lundstram, Clarke should have been given more of a go. Mightn't be starters but could've been useful squad players. The bloke played Tony Hibbert at centre half and brought in jokes like Senderos rather than give Duffy or Mustafi a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 hours ago, pete0 said: Made him stay on the pitch when he ruptured a ligament, you could see he was in pain and Moyes was shouting at him to stay on as we had no subs left. That prolonged period would have aggrevated it more, and I imagine was a big factor in him leaving. Point being with Anichebe and the others is they all suffered more injuries than average. Moyes didn't look after the kids, he overloaded them. Likewise Moyes rushed Rodwell back time and time again. Needlessly so as well, one time he brought him back and played in on the wing only got him to pull up after about half an hour. Big money? He went for less than Jordan Henderson. Rodwell was goosed as Moyes put too much on him, the club knew this and sold him cheap. City took a punt. Rodwell didn't push for a move. By big money, I meant he went for the dollars at City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 hours ago, pete0 said: Baines, Ruddy, Duffy, Ferrari, Barkley. I'd add the likes Vellios, Jutkiewicz, Gueye, Forshaw, Lundstram, Clarke should have been given more of a go. Mightn't be starters but could've been useful squad players. The bloke played Tony Hibbert at centre half and brought in jokes like Senderos rather than give Duffy or Mustafi a chance. That bottom bit is the most important point. Didnt we bring in Gardner as well at one point for CB cover although I am not sure the dates would fit? Koldrup who couldnt even head the ball too. Add Wessels, Nash, Mucha ahead of Ruddy. You can even consider Jo or Beckford ahead of Vic/JV. Its actually really interesting going back through our transfers and seeing how many of them were absolutely shocking. 2010-11 we brought in Mucha, Beckford, Silva, Gueye, Abdullayev and Vellios (and Dier on loan). 2012 Hahnemann, McFadden, Gibson, Jelavic and Junior (but Drenthe, Straq, Donovan and Pienaar on loan). It also shows the budgets we were working with! pete0 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 16 hours ago, pete0 said: Rodwell could have been a great player, he was miles ahead of Henderson. Moyes overloaded him and he's never fully recovered. Not the only career that ginger cunt ruined. Look at Vaughan, Anichebe, and Gosling. Completely overlooked the rest, who either turned to drink or got out and turned out to be a lot better than Moyes could see. Didn't Moyes give Rodwell and Anichebe their chances at Sunderland as their careers were doing downhill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Matt said: Didn't Moyes give Rodwell and Anichebe their chances at Sunderland as their careers were doing downhill? Think Rodwell was already there, no idea what chances he gave them though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 fa cup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Sunderland have cancelled Rodwell"s contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 42 minutes ago, johnh said: Sunderland have cancelled Rodwell"s contract. Finger on the pulse there John, http://www.toffeetalk.com/topic/24306-jack-rodwell/?do=findComment&comment=637986 Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gwlad Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Can't but laugh at the ones(and agents) that thought they'd be better off away from EFC.... rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said: Can't but laugh at the ones(and agents) that thought they'd be better off away from EFC.... Think this one was more a case of us taking the money and running. Quinn31, Bailey, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 If I remember correctly, he didn’t want to go but was told on a flight by Moyes the deal was done and he had to go because we needed the money. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Matt said: If I remember correctly, he didn’t want to go but was told on a flight by Moyes the deal was done and he had to go because we needed the money. I don't remember that Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 14 hours ago, MikeO said: Finger on the pulse there John, http://www.toffeetalk.com/topic/24306-jack-rodwell/?do=findComment&comment=637986 Be fair, I type very slowly. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 15 hours ago, johnh said: Be fair, I type very slowly. but very neatly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 The back office, yeah. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 He's training with our U23's to help him find a new club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 7 hours ago, patto said: Currently training with us for fitness could he possibly play at the back for us. We are an entirely different situation than Sunderland. ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 6 hours ago, aaron said: He's training with our U23's to help him find a new club Good of us that, we could easily have told him to do one, glad we didn't and hope he gets his career back at some level. Josh said he failed a trial at Watford before he came back, not sure if that's true or internet talk. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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