Cornish Steve Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) I think we all have to be realistic and concede defeat to our principles. We've moaned for ages were skint blah blah. Now we have the dough which is what we all have wanted were moaning that we are spending it. When you see palace reportedly offering benteke 100k plus we have to realise that is now the life. Look at American footballers they earn fortunes. I think the new owner knows a lot more than us and has a clear vision of where we want to go. Can u imagine witzel,shneirderlin,Barkley,mata, Gerry/kev in midfield? One thing in life I've never done, and never will do, is compromise on principles. It's a very sad day when, in an attempt to win short-term glory, principles fly out the window. Everton ought to stand for something - integrity, creativity, community, professionalism - and it shouldn't be "money trumps all". These are only rumours for now, so I don't mean to overreact, but the change in conversation that's become evident since the new manager was installed is disappointing, to put it mildly. The soul of the team is important and not to be dismissed with the excuse that "everyone else does it". Edited July 5, 2016 by Cornish Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 I think we all have to be realistic and concede defeat to our principles. We've moaned for ages were skint blah blah. Now we have the dough which is what we all have wanted were moaning that we are spending it. When you see palace reportedly offering benteke 100k plus we have to realise that is now the life. Look at American footballers they earn fortunes. I think the new owner knows a lot more than us and has a clear vision of where we want to go. Can u imagine witzel,shneirderlin,Barkley,mata, Gerry/kev in midfield? One other thing..What has money in sport done in the US? It's ensured that NBA finals go to seven games, for example. Many I've spoken with are cynical about this. When money talks, corruption becomes rife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 One thing in life I've never done, and never will do, is compromise on principles. It's a very sad day when, in an attempt to win short-term glory, principles fly out the window. Everton ought to stand for something - integrity, creativity, community, professionalism - and it shouldn't be "money trumps all". These are only rumours for now, so I don't mean to overreact, but the change in conversation that's become evident since the new manager was installed is disappointing, to put it mildly. The soul of the team is important and not to be dismissed with the excuse that "everyone else does it". read up on our history, that was our motto. Merseyside Millionaires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 5, 2016 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 I can't believe people are saying the club has sold it soul just because we are now paying the same kind of wages the upper mid table sides are If they scrapped EITC or the former players charity then yeah I would say we have sold our soul Youth will still get its chance , that was a major factor in why the board chose Koeman Matt, Romey 1878, markjazzbassist and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 I think some reactions are going a bit far here! Bit over dramatic. After all its all just rumour. I don't think we are doing anything wrong. Man City were paying these sort of wages 5 years ago to get a foot on the ladder. So even if this 120k per week thing is true, I'm afraid it will be the norm for a player of above average quality. It's scary. Very scary. The wages and fees being talked about for several players is just...crazy! BUT...we are still being linked with young players too. So we will continue to develop the next set of hopefuls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 https://twitter.com/thesunfootball/status/750427920955478020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 https://twitter.com/thesunfootball/status/750427920955478020 The sun is full of shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 https://twitter.com/drussodecerame/status/750433230151684100 Calcio Mercato figure it should be announced tomorrow. So, we will see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 https://twitter.com/drussodecerame/status/750433230151684100 Calcio Mercato figure it should be announced tomorrow. So, we will see what happens. I don't have a clue who he is but I'd still believe him over The Sun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 The 27-year-old is now on the brink of completing a €25m (£21.4m) move to Goodison Park, where it is reported he will earn €4m (£3.4m) a season. £22m is a lot better that £30-35, and apparently £3.4m a season is around £65k a week which is much better. nutmegwolf203 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 he is on last year of contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 1990s-2010s period more of an exception than it is the rule in our history? Weren't we one of the clubs that paid players and made record signings before the Premier League era? Didn't we have a reputation as a moneyed club? So, maybe the provincial notion about us really being a club of crafty penny pinchers who know how to punch above their weight on a shoestring budget has less depth than we think. There tends to be a correlation in this world between one's place and practices and an ideology that justifies, legitimates and rationalizes them as morally superior and just. Sure, maybe we've been convinced of our moral victories in a world gone crazy with cash, as at least we still haven't sold out. But, football is about winning and losing on the pitch. Those who manage the club need to please the fans. If they can't win on the pitch, they need to do whatever they can ideologically to make the fans continue to care about and even believe in the club. This takes the form of media campaigns that tell us how special this club is and how it's unlike those other clubs who lack the integrity (or class, understanding, belief in certain principles, etc) that we have. Thus, many of us can point to loving Everton for some reason or another that only makes sense in a field of other clubs that are unlike Everton in X/Y/Z ways. "Those clubs are soulless. They have no heart. They're plastic. Etc." But, whether or not these statements are accurate, they say more about US than they do about THEM. What I think we are dealing with and will be dealing with in this transition (from "plucky little Everton" to being a club with major expectations and money that allows us to compete in the contemporary game) is a change in culture and mindset and coming closer to what we've all trained ourselves to hate and made the butt of all of our inside jokes for years. The soul of the club, or of any club (if there is one), has never been the players (at least not since this became a game that you didn't have to work a side job to survive in). Their job is to go out and compete as professionals and bring home a win (or a performance worthy of winning). The soul is in the people who give their days, weeks, months and years to caring about the club and its fortunes as if their own personal happiness depended upon it. The soul is in the people who go to the games (if they are so lucky), wake up early or go to bed late to watch from afar, participate in a community of other supporters, and who support the club through thick and thin as if they have a familial connection to it. Sure, money has changed the nature of how clubs and players operate. But, it's really always been about the fans and the community. And, this is something that (for all their failings) I think Everton have recognized and done a solid job with. As long as the club remembers that it is ultimately about delivering something the fans can be proud of, then it will still have its "soul." That said, I'm not convinced Witsel is worth what we are apparently going to pay for his services. Though, I admittedly know very little of him as a player beyond his work history and appearances in international matches, where he's looked decent but not world class. Great post and agree with it all, I guess the fear as you note is around paying 120k a week for a player who isn't by all accounts a 120k player for me that's a truly world class player and Witsell is a step up but not a that level yet, we don't want to do a Man City and throw money at above average players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 he is on last year of contract? yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 I can't believe people are saying the club has sold it soul just because we are now paying the same kind of wages the upper mid table sides are If they scrapped EITC or the former players charity then yeah I would say we have sold our soul Youth will still get its chance , that was a major factor in why the board chose Koeman Fair enough. I know I'm over reacting because of the change, but I can't help it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 £22m is a lot better that £30-35, and apparently £3.4m a season is around £65k a week which is much better. That would be MUCH more palatable. Matt, Romey 1878 and chicagoblue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 £22m? yeah why not. Solid all rounder from what I gather. Maybe a little on the cautious side but we do have Barkley, Gerry, Mirallas, maybe Mata who need the water carrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 22m and 65k a week sounds great to me. still young enough to have some time left in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 22m and 65k is unreal.... This lad will make us tick. Especially with Rom, Kev, Gerry, Ross and hopefully Mata around his as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Take a look at @WatchedToffee's Tweet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Take a look at @WatchedToffee's Tweet: Great news if true, depending on price and wages. Great to finally sign a first team player. Hope this is followed by Mata! And its my 1000th post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Happy with this signing. Hoping he turns out to be an engine room player for us. Watched him closely during the euros and he was always looking for the ball. Natural replacement for Barry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 From that Esk lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Then this so lets see, it should be announced today then even though he's posting pics of himself on holiday in Italy with his family (Witsel not Esk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Happy rather than ecstatic. I don't know enough about him. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Happy rather than ecstatic. I don't know enough about him. I'm just getting impatient for a big signing to piss other fans off . Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 He's in Liverpool and will sign tomorrow apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 He's in Liverpool and will sign tomorrow apparently. I think that rumour started from a blag photo on Twitter https://twitter.com/intertifosi48/status/751123175476518912 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethinO Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 I've seen him quite a few times against Wales as we have played them 5 times in the last 4 year or so. He was immense in the first game but he didn't really do much in the other games... Obviously he's a big name and probably be a big upgrade on what we have so he'll have my full support. Where would his signing leave Besic, McCarthy, Barry and Gibson??? Just makes that Gibson 2 year deal look more stupid IMO. Will be interesting to see if Koeman fancies Besic or McCarthy as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 I've seen him quite a few times against Wales as we have played them 5 times in the last 4 year or so. He was immense in the first game but he didn't really do much in the other games... Obviously he's a big name and probably be a big upgrade on what we have so he'll have my full support. Where would his signing leave Besic, McCarthy, Barry and Gibson??? Just makes that Gibson 2 year deal look more stupid IMO. Will be interesting to see if Koeman fancies Besic or McCarthy as well. IMO he's best used as a box to box midfielder (see the game of Belgium vs Ireland; he was allowed to go forward much more and played a great game). In all other games Wilmots asked him to just protect the back four and in possession to just pass it to KDB or Hazard, which makes for pretty anonymous performances (and a waste of a talented player). With a decent manager like Koeman, he could be a great signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 I've seen him quite a few times against Wales as we have played them 5 times in the last 4 year or so. He was immense in the first game but he didn't really do much in the other games... Obviously he's a big name and probably be a big upgrade on what we have so he'll have my full support. Where would his signing leave Besic, McCarthy, Barry and Gibson??? Just makes that Gibson 2 year deal look more stupid IMO. Will be interesting to see if Koeman fancies Besic or McCarthy as well. I have a feeling Besic may get a new lease of life under Koeman, I think he will be the type of Player RK will like. As for Witsel, im not fussed either way. Not seen enough to be excited by him. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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