Romey 1878 Posted September 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Pretty shit for a lot of the game but he popped up with two vital goals to take his tally to 6 for the season, and grabbed an assist by showing good strength, control and intelligence. I'll take that sort of contribution all day long. duncanmckenzieismagic, Sibdane and Blue 250 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 But thats probably it for another 6 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 I actually thought we would get a game from him but for the first 45 minutes he strolled around with the odd aimless sprint. In all seriousness he could have been justifiably been taken off. I said give him 15 minutes and it turned out that way. I actually think RM tore him a new one start of second half he chased the first ball that was played back to their keeper with intent and didn't look back. I am balanced about the lad and if you could encapsulate his second half then he's an asset, but I'm sorry something ain't right when a player is so bipolar in effort levels. Crazy and not sustainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 I am balanced about the lad duncanmckenzieismagic, MikeO and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) I don't care if he has the touch of a porcupine; as long as he wins us games like that I'm okay with him. Edited September 28, 2015 by TonkaRoost Romey 1878 and duncanmckenzieismagic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 That's what a good striker is capable of, can change the course of a game. His touch may be erratic and he may go missing for a while but when it matters he he finds a way to score and to assist. Credit to Dela for some great wing play tonight. He must be a regular now. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Let's hope he gets MOTM every time Gerry plays like that as it means it takes attention off a truly gifted player who may get signed back by Barca with performances like that. Now he knows exactly what Gerry will do with those balls there is no excuse - hit the 6 yard box!!! P,S another first half like tonight and I will scream. I assume that's what RM did. Someone must have done something at half time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 That's where Gerry has improved since his loan.... Rather than constantly driving to the byline his swinging balls in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Romalu is not a perfect striker, he will never have the ball control of a Ronaldo, or the work rate of Shearer, but what he shares with both of them is the fact he is a match winner. He come up with big goals and can change a match. Even if he is playing poorly he can, as he demonstrated last night produce moments of quality to turn matches around. His first was a great header from a great cross by Geri. His assist for Kone was class, and with his last he showed anticipation, a predators instinct and calmness to hammer it home for the win. He also showed desire and passion in the second half. When he is on it from the start he is almost unplayable, but he is not always on it, and that is something we have to accept. That said he is always a threat and he will score goals, and that is why we signed him. A former coach said that his goals cover up his lack of other skills, and that's fine by me, match winners are rare and we have a wrecking ball of a match winner. Accept him for what he is not what he isn't, play to his strengths and work on the other areas and we will have a quality striker that can make us a top 4 challenger. What was really encouraging last night was that as the match wore on his and Geri's understanding improved, and when we started feeding Geri we looked alot more dangerous, which created space for Kone and Barkley. Geri must must start as it gives us another dimension. I cant wait to see this team develop! COYB Romey 1878, duncanmckenzieismagic, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Romalu is not a perfect striker, he will never have the ball control of a Ronaldo, or the work rate of Shearer, but what he shares with both of them is the fact he is a match winner. He come up with big goals and can change a match. Even if he is playing poorly he can, as he demonstrated last night produce moments of quality to turn matches around. His first was a great header from a great cross by Geri. His assist for Kone was class, and with his last he showed anticipation, a predators instinct and calmness to hammer it home for the win. He also showed desire and passion in the second half. When he is on it from the start he is almost unplayable, but he is not always on it, and that is something we have to accept. That said he is always a threat and he will score goals, and that is why we signed him. A former coach said that his goals cover up his lack of other skills, and that's fine by me, match winners are rare and we have a wrecking ball of a match winner. Accept him for what he is not what he isn't, play to his strengths and work on the other areas and we will have a quality striker that can make us a top 4 challenger. What was really encouraging last night was that as the match wore on his and Geri's understanding improved, and when we started feeding Geri we looked alot more dangerous, which created space for Kone and Barkley. Geri must must start as it gives us another dimension. I cant wait to see this team develop! COYB Today is a good day to talk about Rom as he had a very positive impact on our result so its not like i'm sticking the boot in on him. Forget touches, ability in the air and missing chances or whatever for now - talent and ability are seperate entities to "work ethic". He could have had all the technical ability and attributes in the world last night and if he continued his first half "application and attitude" into the second half it would not have mattered - we would have lost. We simply can not have a team where defenders and midfielders have to track runners, show positional discipline and all that dirty work and have a striker who isn't really "up for it" - it just can't happen. It is ironic that the two goals that Rom scored from came from tougher opportunities than he would have had in the first half if bothered to attack the 3 balls that were drilled across the 6 yard box. You don't need to be a technically brilliant striker to score from those - they were bread and butter to Lineker (see hat trick versus Poland in Mexico 86). So in short - yes we can accept that there are aspects of Roms game that will not be up toi scratch - but lack of effort is not acceptable and that has been a clear issue for some time now. How we address that I leave to the coaches, but don't expect me to just allow "goals" to paper over laziness (because it is just that), not when other players get slammed for not going with a runner or not closing down a player who gets a shot in. I am hoping there isn't an article on here later with Rom being interviewed and giving another "reason" why he found opportunities in the second half and that now he feels he can go on a run etc etc - we have heard it all before. Say nothing, go into the derby like you were starting the second half... the only thing that was different was YOU Rom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Found this interesting: 1st half placement vs 2nd half placement. Amazing how he was so much better when being able to concentrate on being a striker instead! Romey 1878 and Lowensda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Let's hope Gerry is always a starter now with the understanding he will sling anything into the box and rom is just to be there and do what he does best, finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Today is a good day to talk about Rom as he had a very positive impact on our result so its not like i'm sticking the boot in on him. Forget touches, ability in the air and missing chances or whatever for now - talent and ability are seperate entities to "work ethic". He could have had all the technical ability and attributes in the world last night and if he continued his first half "application and attitude" into the second half it would not have mattered - we would have lost. We simply can not have a team where defenders and midfielders have to track runners, show positional discipline and all that dirty work and have a striker who isn't really "up for it" - it just can't happen. It is ironic that the two goals that Rom scored from came from tougher opportunities than he would have had in the first half if bothered to attack the 3 balls that were drilled across the 6 yard box. You don't need to be a technically brilliant striker to score from those - they were bread and butter to Lineker (see hat trick versus Poland in Mexico 86). So in short - yes we can accept that there are aspects of Roms game that will not be up toi scratch - but lack of effort is not acceptable and that has been a clear issue for some time now. How we address that I leave to the coaches, but don't expect me to just allow "goals" to paper over laziness (because it is just that), not when other players get slammed for not going with a runner or not closing down a player who gets a shot in. I am hoping there isn't an article on here later with Rom being interviewed and giving another "reason" why he found opportunities in the second half and that now he feels he can go on a run etc etc - we have heard it all before. Say nothing, go into the derby like you were starting the second half... the only thing that was different was YOU Rom. I knew I would regret coming back I here! Everton were shite in the first half but were much much better in the second half so surely the bit in bold should have read "if WE continued OUR first half "application and attitude" into the second half it would not have mattered - we would have lost" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Found this interesting: 1st half placement vs 2nd half placement. Amazing how he was so much better when being able to concentrate on being a striker instead! Replace "able" with "choosing" - and forget all words after concentrate. The reason he never took touches in and around the box in the first half is that when we did break he was jogging!!! Matt this is 100% fact. He was as far back as 25 yards from goal when Gerry fired 2 gorgeous balls across goal, he never ran - 1 ball off Ross he just stopped. There was no need for him to drop deep, he got in the way of Ross twice. Lets move away from trying to excuse his first half please - seriously now, its getting ridiculous. We have established he was very good in the second half and that he put in the work - that doesn't mean his awful first half didn't happen or it was because of other factors that were out of his control. Can we please just establish that the difference between good rom and bad rom is ROM - no one else! I'll leave it to Nevin.... never a truer word said. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02glzwf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 It's funny isn't it that there hasn't been a single mention of Barkley's complete and utter laziness in the first half, but Rom is getting absolutely murdered for it. Barkley was just as bad. Lowensda, Matt and Kant 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Replace "able" with "choosing" - and forget all words after concentrate. The reason he never took touches in and around the box in the first half is that when we did break he was jogging!!! Matt this is 100% fact. He was as far back as 25 yards from goal when Gerry fired 2 gorgeous balls across goal, he never ran - 1 ball off Ross he just stopped. There was no need for him to drop deep, he got in the way of Ross twice. Lets move away from trying to excuse his first half please - seriously now, its getting ridiculous. We have established he was very good in the second half and that he put in the work - that doesn't mean his awful first half didn't happen or it was because of other factors that were out of his control. Can we please just establish that the difference between good rom and bad rom is ROM - no one else! I'll leave it to Nevin.... never a truer word said. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02glzwf What is 100% fact is that he was far too deep or far too wide in the first half. Who has tried to excuse his performance?! I was calling for him to be subbed I was so frustrated with his lack of participation - I'm just not putting the blame solely on him. There is no excusing going on here, I'm trying to explain why he was so poor, and that's the same argument I've maintained for the last year; we asked him to play a style he's really not comfortable with and we didn't get anywhere near the best of him. Second half, Koné creating space and the continued bombardment from Geri allowed him to stay central. We played to his strengths and he flourished. It's not that difficult to understand, is it? The last bit is very true of Rom, and every other human on the planet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Let's hope he gets MOTM every time Gerry plays like that as it means it takes attention off a truly gifted player who may get signed back by Barca with performances like that. Now he knows exactly what Gerry will do with those balls there is no excuse - hit the 6 yard box!!! P,S another first half like tonight and I will scream. I assume that's what RM did. Someone must have done something at half time. He didnt in the first half, then he obviously noticed this and did it to great effect. Rom earned his money last night, and so did Roberto for shaking up the team at half time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 What is 100% fact is that he was far too deep or far too wide in the first half. Who has tried to excuse his performance?! I was calling for him to be subbed I was so frustrated with his lack of participation - I'm just not putting the blame solely on him. There is no excusing going on here, I'm trying to explain why he was so poor, and that's the same argument I've maintained for the last year; we asked him to play a style he's really not comfortable with and we didn't get anywhere near the best of him. Second half, Koné creating space and the continued bombardment from Geri allowed him to stay central. We played to his strengths and he flourished. It's not that difficult to understand, is it? The last bit is very true of Rom, and every other human on the planet Was he asked to stay back when Gerry and Ross got forward? I don't think he was - at one stage there was Naismith, Gerry and Barkley 20 yards ahead of him and he was jogging. Kone making space or not - there was 3 clear cut chances that he was not in the box for in the first half - I don't see how that is anything to do with our style. It was him being him. I have seen this 2 ways - him dropping deep and not joining attack - and him attacking and not getting back onside for the next phase of play - no excuses. This is why I actually said I thought there was something wrong with him. - I wasn't joking. Someone on twitter commented on how much he was sweating vs what he was doing. I'll leave all that to the fitness coaches or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 He didnt in the first half, then he obviously noticed this and did it to great effect. Rom earned his money last night, and so did Roberto for shaking up the team at half time. I identified this in Gerry on his loan spell so its worrying if the players only caught on the second half. On his loan Nais and Rom were always stood on penno spot and Gerry would fire them right across goal. Didn't he get an OGGY from palace or someone like that doing the same? Anyhow - no excuses - if he gets the ball hit the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Was he asked to stay back when Gerry and Ross got forward? I don't think he was - at one stage there was Naismith, Gerry and Barkley 20 yards ahead of him and he was jogging. Kone making space or not - there was 3 clear cut chances that he was not in the box for in the first half - I don't see how that is anything to do with our style. It was him being him. I have seen this 2 ways - him dropping deep and not joining attack - and him attacking and not getting back onside for the next phase of play - no excuses. This is why I actually said I thought there was something wrong with him. - I wasn't joking. Someone on twitter commented on how much he was sweating vs what he was doing. I'll leave all that to the fitness coaches or whatever. Knowing Martinez, I wouldn't be surprised. If they were 20 yards behind, he would never have caught them anyway. That did concern me. He looked knackered before half time and soaked through. Anyway, made up with his performance second half. Match winner, again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I'll repeat, they did. Twice. Two goals. Rom scored two goals. GOALS GOALS GOALS GOALS GOALS GOALS GOALS!!! Its his job. Lowensda, Romey 1878 and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Knowing Martinez, I wouldn't be surprised. If they were 20 yards behind, he would never have caught them anyway. That did concern me. He looked knackered before half time and soaked through. Anyway, made up with his performance second half. Match winner, again. second half he was tremendous - but it really concerns me how its one extreme or the other. Yep the sweat was ridiculous - like Muhammed Ali in the the thriller in manilla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 It's funny isn't it that there hasn't been a single mention of Barkley's complete and utter laziness in the first half, but Rom is getting absolutely murdered for it. Barkley was just as bad. I missed this. Barkley tried but when nothing came off he sulked. Even second half he was trying to do too much and then sulking. Disappointing performance for him, but think it was a general fuck up tactics wise. It is funny how he hasn't been criticised at all though.... second half he was tremendous - but it really concerns me how its one extreme or the other. Yep the sweat was ridiculous - like Muhammed Ali in the the thriller in manilla. Consistency will come with age. He's only 22, remember Kant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I'd just like to say how happy I was that he celebrated both of his goals last night. Does my nut in when players don't celebrate just because it's against a club they've previously played for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I'd just like to say how happy I was that he celebrated both of his goals last night. Does my nut in when players don't celebrate just because it's against a club they've previously played for. I nearly shat myself when he did his back flip... he's a big fucker - not much room for error there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I nearly shat myself when he did his back flip... he's a big fucker - not much room for error there! Imagine if he'd broke his ankle . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Imagine if he'd broke his ankle .his touch might've improved... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Imagine if he'd broke his ankle . Just in time for the Derby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Imagine if he'd broke his ankle . Haff isn't that lucky Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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