Avinalaff Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Was just about to make a post that was critical of Cahill, he doesn't deserve it. That stallion should be in acres of fenced nutritious land with plenty of mares to mount. Not out in the gallops with an overweight novice whipping his backside. Lol, brilliant analogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogsy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Vellios has just scored a hattrick for the reserves! There simply is no reason to be starting a match with Saha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Vellios has just scored a hattrick for the reserves! There simply is no reason to be starting a match with Saha! He might get 2 minutes at the end of the Blackburn game now. Hoorah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogsy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 He might get 2 minutes at the end of the Blackburn game now. Hoorah! If Moyes starts with Saha against Blackburn I might just cry!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Vellios has just scored a hattrick for the reserves! Not only that but he also won the penalty for one of his goals and had a fourth disallowed! Begging to be chosen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 If Moyes starts with Saha against Blackburn I might just cry!! i'll get the tissues ready for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Vellios must start the next game. What kind of message does it send out to the entire squad if you score 3 goals in one game only to be benched by someone who hasent scored 3 goals all season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I can't remember whether we were actually linked with the guy in the summer or that Peter H just suggested him, but John Guidetti has been playing really well for Feyenoord this season (on loan from Man City). He had scored 8 goals and had given 3 assists in 11 match before today. Feyenoord are now playing Twente (another one of the top sides in Holland) and he's already scored 3. So he's 11 out of 12 so far. He looks strong, seems to have skill and he gets goals. If he keeps playing like this, there will probably be interest from a couple of PL teams. I would certainly take him. Looks like he might make the swedish squad for the Euros this summer. His value will rocket and we will be nowhere near signing him ever. But yes, ive suggested him on a couple of occations just as I did with Rasmus Elm before Everton showed interest. Im not saying that im a better scout (haha) but I do hear a lot about swedish players obviously. These two were definatly within Evertons grasp at one point. Both are now way to expensive. Wouldnt mind if the swedish newspapers started to write about our friend Johan Hammar. Curious about him, played monday night. Has anyone seen him play? Whats he like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Hammar? He's a beast. First game he came back from an injury, was MOTM, was a monster at the back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Vellios must start the next game. What kind of message does it send out to the entire squad if you score 3 goals in one game only to be benched by someone who hasent scored 3 goals all season Lets not get carried away he has scored a hatrick against Blackburns Reserves, thats a million miles away from the Premiership. On the two occassions he has started he has looked like a little boy lost so I still think he is better coming off the bench Must admit though I would have put him ahead of Denis in the pecking order, I can only assume he is getting minutes because of his physical presence because I cant see what else he brings to the table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Lets not get carried away he has scored a hatrick against Blackburns Reserves, thats a million miles away from the Premiership. On the two occassions he has started he has looked like a little boy lost so I still think he is better coming off the bench Must admit though I would have put him ahead of Denis in the pecking order, I can only assume he is getting minutes because of his physical presence because I cant see what else he brings to the table If he has looked like little boy lost, what has Saha looked like? Alice on her way back from Wonderland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Lets not get carried away he has scored a hatrick against Blackburns Reserves, thats a million miles away from the Premiership. On the two occassions he has started he has looked like a little boy lost so I still think he is better coming off the bench Must admit though I would have put him ahead of Denis in the pecking order, I can only assume he is getting minutes because of his physical presence because I cant see what else he brings to the table That may be the case (he had a 4th disallowed too) - but it shows at the very least he is getting attempts on target - much more than what saha is doing, his all round play was said to be very impressive. If you can't get elevated from the reserves to the first team after a hat-trick then what hope does that give the fringe players??? He's got to be thrown in ahead of saha, or at the very least replace cahill given that saha likes to drop into cahills area and try them as a partnership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 all the stick for ani..got us 4 points already..shearer is shittin himself for his calendar goal total Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Lets not get carried away he has scored a hatrick against Blackburns Reserves, thats a million miles away from the Premiership. On the two occassions he has started he has looked like a little boy lost so I still think he is better coming off the bench Must admit though I would have put him ahead of Denis in the pecking order, I can only assume he is getting minutes because of his physical presence because I cant see what else he brings to the table They were two of the toughest game he could have been thrown into though Dunc and as others have said, its not as if Saha has been much better, against much worse defences. However, I do agree with you. Im not so sure he should be starting (upfront by himself anyway) BUT he should be getting much more game time off the bench, at least 30mins when we are needing to score a goal. As you infer, he is better than Straq. Edited January 17, 2012 by Bailey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Hammar? He's a beast. First game he came back from an injury, was MOTM, was a monster at the back So how long until he is knocking on the door to the prem? In your honest opinion? 3-4 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Possibly, he wants to try his hand in the prem but wouldn't knock back an approach from LaLiga. Will he get into Everton's first team in 3-4 years? WHo knows, we don't know where as a club we'll be yet? If he carries on as he is, he could be a very competent defender...but its now that's most important for his development. The injury would have normally knocked him back but he seems to have come back quite strong...so again, who knows?! I'd like to think he'd be playing first team football, as a young, promising, defensive monster but will he get the chance??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogsy Posted January 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 If he has looked like little boy lost, what has Saha looked like? Alice on her way back from Wonderland? Exactly, it may have been a reserves match, but at least he knows where the flippin net is which is more than can be said for Saha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Im not defending Saha because I agree that he has been woeful all season however in the 2 games Vellios has started the game has completely passed him by and I just dont think he is ready. IMO he should be getting brought on as a substitute were he seems to able to have more impact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutmegwolf203 Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I'm pretty sure Vellios was an integral part of Drenthe's goal in that Fulham match he started. I don't want to slag off Saha, because it's redundant now, if anything, put Tolos in there ahead of Cahill. It must have been Vellios' attitude in training that's truncated his involvement-whatever- by what Stubbs was saying about his performance for the reserves, he worked super hard for the team. The kid's a specimen, and I feel like for those who say "he's not a world beater, etc.", I think they're just noticing what Moyes is allowing us to see. He could be immense. It's rare you find someone with his height, that's as mobile as he is, with a witty football brain, I might add. I think back to that chance vs. Given in the Villa match he came on for. He's got the same sort of special ability that separated talent like Saha's from the rest, when he was in his prime. Point being, Vellios hasn't looked nearly as shit as Saha, in my opinion. Vellios screams progression and Saha is just stagnant as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 saha would score more if he actually got a few on tartget for once, so I dont think its Moyes fault, although it is a lot more of a job to score goals when your up top on your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassman Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I see there is a striker playing in the Championship for Leicester, has scored a hat trick so far tonight, maybe worth a punt, Think his name is Beckford, or something like that!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaminfox Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I see there is a striker playing in the Championship for Leicester, has scored a hat trick so far tonight, maybe worth a punt, Think his name is Beckford, or something like that!!!!!! He is gone.. Get over it, there is no chance he will come back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassman Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 He is gone.. Get over it, there is no chance he will come back Err, would not really want him back, its called humour,!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 id take him in a heartbeat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 So would I. Say what you want about Beckford, but he worked his arse off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I wouldn't say he worked his arse off tbh, he was often criticised for his lack of effort. What I would say, though, is that whenever he played he always looked like scoring. Whereas I wouldn't even be confident of Saha scoring 2 yards away from an empty net right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) I wouldn't say he worked his arse off tbh, he was often criticised for his lack of effort. What I would say, though, is that whenever he played he always looked like scoring. Whereas I wouldn't even be confident of Saha scoring 2 yards away from an empty net right now. Bolton anyone....*shudders* Edited January 18, 2012 by tenaciousj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 worked his arse off? he couldn't be arsed challengin for the ball in the air most of the time..only thing beckford was good at was gettin in the right positions..if he was as good at finishin he'd be top class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 worked his arse off? he couldn't be arsed challengin for the ball in the air most of the time..only thing beckford was good at was gettin in the right positions..if he was as good at finishin he'd be top class agreed, Beckford scored a hat-trick last night because he has found his level, the championship, not because he worked his arse off, or was good or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Im guessing poeple here dont share my opinion, What i ment was his movement, he was always trying to find space. I still believe that if we had someone in the middle with a great sense of football and killer delivery to get the ball to Beckford in space, he would have scored 15-20 goals per season in the prem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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